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Post by gaynxious on Jan 12, 2017 3:34:16 GMT
Fear-ful avoidants appear to often be lumped in with dissmissive-avoidants due to their avoidant behaviors such as deactivating strategies. But in romantic relationships do they tend to be attracted to preoccupieds like dissimissives, dissmissives like preoccupieds, both, a mix depending on individual, other fearfuls, some thing else? Have there been studies of a large enough group of fearful-avoidant adults to really know?
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Post by Tanya on Jan 12, 2017 7:31:05 GMT
Hi. I am an anxious avoidant with some secure traits. I usually 'bail out' before the relationship gets going, rather than 3 or 4 months down the line. But I will still be confusing to the other. I have been married twice - both times because the anxious side of me feels more secure if married. But I left both of them, some years down the line. This was before I understood myself, and why I am like I am. I had a very abusive childhood, and could quite easily have become a dismissive, but I think my rock-bottom self esteem made me anxious.
For me, anxious types are the least attractive. I feel instantly stifled by them, but they like me for some reason. I pull away very quickly (often before first kiss) but it never goes down well, perhaps because they are anxious. I have met secures, but whilst liking them, I am not sexually attracted to them. I wish that I was - I really do. I am attracted to dismissively , but am now wise enough to see why ( they are exciting and I have to work for them) and I now realise that this is a low self esteem thing on my part.
My long-term partner is a dismissive avoidant and has a very long history of failed relationships. But with age, he also has some secure traits. We have settled each other to some extent over the years - we have grown through one another - but our core traits remain. These secure characteristics bind us if you like, but our dismissive / anxious traits are probably the attraction.
Hope this helps, Tanya
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Post by gaynxious on Jan 12, 2017 21:21:43 GMT
Thanks, it does. I'm not surprised that anxious would be attracted to fearful. I've started dating a few anxious guys lately and while it could just be normal defensive behavior after a recent long term break up, I find myself uncharacteristically avoidant with them. I crave intimacy, but another name for anxious/preoccupied is ambivalent. I think while anxious want intimacy we are conflicted about getting too close and getting hurt. With avoidants of either flavor the pulling back seems to take my focus on pursuing, and I forget to feel conflicted or ambivalent and this is much more comfortable. I met an avoidant, unknown at the time, at a party and had more intimacy on the dance floor with him than I had with an anxious I have been dating and who is already wiling to hold my hand in public and cares when I tell him about some of the personal problems my friends are having. The next day I was hooked on the avoidant, hoping we might start dating so I could be free of the anxious guys I had been seeing. Luckily within a week I could tell he was avoidant and that I needed to back off. I'm surprised fearfuls might be attracted to dissmissives but that could just be cause I lump them in together and assume the anxious is their natural pair.
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Post by Jaeger on Jan 13, 2017 0:31:38 GMT
Quoting Jeb's book:
"Fearful-Avoidant with Anxious-Preoccupied:
Somewhat like the Dismissive-Preoccupied pairing, but less stable; the avoidant partner will be less comfortable with the constant requests for reassurance from the Preoccupied partner and will be less likely to tolerate a long relationship spent fending off intimacy.
If the avoidant partner allows real closeness to develop, that triggers his or her anxiety; if they stay at a distance, the preoccupied partner will be unhappy and increase the level of requests."
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Post by Tanya on Jan 13, 2017 7:35:26 GMT
Yes, I remember that quote, but I can't remember if the book includes a paragraph about the pairing of a dismissive avoidant with an anxious avoidant, which describes my relationship with my partner. Theoretically, I guess, although Jeb might have some insight here, we shouldn't work. Realistically though, and as I mentioned in my previous post, we are together because: 1. We want to be - we believe that what we have is worth it. We are kind and love one another. 2. We compromise almost daily. We are very tolerant of each other's traits, but have mutually agreed boundaries in place. 3. We are very self-aware. This has taken years of reflection, reading, and unfortunately many failed relationships. 4. We are in our 50's, and to some extent age and maturity is on our side. 5. We both have a number of secure traits. Despite being text-book avoidants in many ways, we can, and do, act ( with an emphasis on the word 'act') as actors, like secures sometimes, unless our core attachment types are triggered, which can be often, although not as much as before. 6. If we are triggered, we recognise it and cut the other some slack. However, this is not always easy. Despite all of the above, the feelings of giving up, bolting, hiding, or whatever, never really go away. Both of us fear control, stifling, and a lack of freedom in a relationship, but it is an irrational fear sometimes. 7. Bizarrely perhaps, although the literature bears this out, our anxious / dismissive traits keep us attracted to one another.
Although we want to be together, it is hard work, and we both have wondered in the past if it would be easier to walk away. But we do have very good times together, and we like each other too. Nevertheless, It is not for the faint hearted, and I really wish that it didn't have to be this way.
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Post by gaynxious on Jan 13, 2017 22:00:37 GMT
He does go into the the fearful-dissmissive pairing and says its a relationship that usually end before it begins. But there are 7 billion people on this planet, rare happens. As long as it works it works. I was severely unhappy with my dissmive ex a good deal of the time by I have never felt a stronger sense of attraction to anyone physically or mentally or emotionally as I was to him, much less the combination of be three. That was enough for me to stay, I'm glad for you two this binding is mutual.
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Post by annieb on Apr 2, 2017 2:11:56 GMT
Thanks, it does. I'm not surprised that anxious would be attracted to fearful. I've started dating a few anxious guys lately and while it could just be normal defensive behavior after a recent long term break up, I find myself uncharacteristically avoidant with them. I crave intimacy, but another name for anxious/preoccupied is ambivalent. I think while anxious want intimacy we are conflicted about getting too close and getting hurt. With avoidants of either flavor the pulling back seems to take my focus on pursuing, and I forget to feel conflicted or ambivalent and this is much more comfortable. I met an avoidant, unknown at the time, at a party and had more intimacy on the dance floor with him than I had with an anxious I have been dating and who is already wiling to hold my hand in public and cares when I tell him about some of the personal problems my friends are having. The next day I was hooked on the avoidant, hoping we might start dating so I could be free of the anxious guys I had been seeing. Luckily within a week I could tell he was avoidant and that I needed to back off. I'm surprised fearfuls might be attracted to dissmissives but that could just be cause I lump them in together and assume the anxious is their natural pair. As a fearful dismissive I usually end up in a relationship with an anxious - preoccupied, and I usually end that relationship, because they go psychotic on me. When I dated another fearful avoidant, I ended a relationship after a significant withdrawal from him. When I have dated secures, there has been no chemistry, whatsoever. And when I dated a dismissive avoidant, I could not let go of the relationship although it was clearly bad for me. I am still in that relationship, contemplating the end yet also having discovered this information still looking at ways to save the relationship and being thoroughly confused.
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Post by robnew on May 2, 2017 19:10:45 GMT
I'm not surprised by that at all, as I imagine different people fit in different places along a scale of avoidance. In addition, underneath any attachment issues, there are still the same human emotions, albeit a lot more sensitive and reactive. Amongst those emotions are the desire to have what we can't have, along with the addictive nature of random and intermittent reward. It's what makes even secure people susceptible to the extreme push/pull of an avoidant. As a result, I imagine a fearful avoidant can be very strongly drawn to a dismissive, if those underlying emotions are stronger than the avoidant, self protective ones. If so, the the fear of abandonment can instead result in a desire to cling on, if enough hope is given, rather than causing a running away. It seems to me that the fear of abandonment is more strongly triggered by closeness and intimacy, in that the fear is greater when it's perceived that there is the opportunity of security, that might then be lost. A dismissive might then pass under the radar, by not providing that security, and so the fearful avoidant might work hard to get that first, before they feel any need to bolt. Not sure if that makes sense, but that's how I can see that it might work.
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Post by smoky on May 5, 2017 11:52:32 GMT
How could one keep things fresh with a fearful-avoidant? What kindof dismissive behaviours might they find attractive?
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