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Post by summer on Jul 28, 2018 14:51:50 GMT
My ex DA did this and it drove me NUTS. In the beginning of the relationship, we had some really great getting-to-know-you phone conversations that were lively and full of laughter. Once we were in an established relationship, he started doing this thing where he would use a cold, businesslike tone with me on the phone and it felt really dismissive. He would be totally disinterested in any chat beyond very superficial questions like "What did you have for lunch?" and "Did you work today?"
What was most infuriating and confusing were the times when I would hear him on the phone with friends who lived far away, and he would be sooooo upbeat and chatty and would engage with them in a way that he refused to do with me.
The whole attitude he would adapt with me on the phone would be like "Can we get this over with? I've very busy and only have a few min and I'm squeezing this call in as a special favor." Then an hour later I'd see him killing time on social media.
Is this a DA thing, using a cold and dismissive tone during phone calls with intimate partners?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 15:12:28 GMT
as a dismissive, i'd have to say that it depends entirely on the 99.9% of the relationship dynamic that isn't included in this post dismissive behavior is a response to encroaching behavior, and vice versa. my dismissive partner and i never employed that tonenwith each other, i am also dismissive. we still do not. action > reaction > reaction. what you are experiencing is likely a denial of a bid to connect- there must have been a bid to connect, coming from you? If you are an anxious preoccupied person, bids you make for connection may feel intrusive or overwhelming to a dismissive partner. it may be a case of Ap/Da dysfunction. i don't know your attachment style tho. i'm just putting it out there that this dynamic surely is not one sided. A dismissive, like any partner, responds to a dynamic.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 28, 2018 18:46:51 GMT
Both my mom and dad did this....it felt like I was on a clock and they needed to get into other things. I used to take it so personally...as if I was a bother to them...but now I simply keep my phone calls short and don't expect much and usually I end the call first. I think to Juniper's post above..it depends on the nature of the relationship and the interpretation of the other other person's attachment. I think part of the challange with insecure attachment is to not jump to conclusions about why your partner does things..but to ask him/her with an open and curious mind.
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Post by goldilocks on Jul 28, 2018 22:39:32 GMT
I'm warm on the phone when I call someone to have a chat or if they call when I am relaxing at home.
However, if you were to call me at work, or if I was shopping or on public transport. I would want to keep it brief and would try to get you off the phone soon.
My advice for you would be to not look at wether he is on social media. If you are aware of what he is doing online, you are bound to make interpretations and get stressed out. Another thing that might help, or would at least work on me is to ask when would be a good time to call.
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Post by summer on Jul 29, 2018 12:57:43 GMT
I have experienced this with my ex, I use to get so anxious at the thought of calling him. I can't explain it something about his manner on the phone and the context of the conversation would make me very anxious. It was always different if he was to call me. I also noticed he appeared to have to different voice tones,...seriously,why did I always think I can't discuss any of my thoughts with this person. Never experienced anything like this before where you keep all your thought and feelings to yourself.Exactly!!! Someone above mentioned that with a lot of DAs, the things they do are in reaction to a perceived attempt at closeness from a partner. But in the case with my ex boyfriend, often this would happen when we were just having routine calls, like setting times to meet up later, or making plans. I don't care what your attachment style is, talking to your significant other like they are low priority and you can't even be bothered to use a pleasant tone with them, like they are a person... this is just not okay. If you have intimacy issues that severe, that get triggered by even just routine checking in calls with your SO, then you probably need to take a break from dating, and get yourself some therapy so you can be a healthy, loving partner in future. It's my impression that being avoidant doesn't automatically mean you'll be incapable of being a decent partner to someone. It just means you get triggered by intimacy and it makes you pull away. You can still be a stand up person, not a jerk. Talking to your SO in a cold, dismissive tone (and my ex would do this unpredictably, sometimes he was fine) is just rude and unnecessary. And I think Helsbells summed it well by saying that the reaction to this from the non-avoidant partner is usually going to be feeling like you can't discuss any of your thoughts with this person, and you have to carefully monitor your communication with them. I can't think of any greater relationship-killer than feeling like you can't share your thoughts and feelings with your partner. This is what happened to me with my ex. In full disclosure, my ex is a DA with a lot of narcissism thrown in. I always wondered if the cold, indifferent, dismissive tone during phone calls fell more into the DA camp, or the Narcissism camp. Narcissists will do things like this in order to reinforce their dominance and superiority in the relationship, not as a reaction to attempts at intimacy from their partner. And Narcissists will actually seek out AP types bc they are easier to emotionally control, once the Narcissist figures out the right buttons to push to keep the AP in a heightened state of anxiety and suspense at all times. My ex was brilliant at this. They want you to never really know where you stand with them. A DA is motivated by totally different things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 13:01:21 GMT
yes i'd say it's a narcissist thing.
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Post by summer on Jul 29, 2018 15:13:12 GMT
When my ex was speaking to his on line gaming pals on team speak he would be laughing and joking in such a care free manner for ages. I use to watch is body language as he sat back on this chair as happy as Larry. When we were sat on the sofa together it was almost formal up right position and like he was struggling to relax and be present, very awkward
I just wonder if it the intimacy thing going on as his on line pals are at a nice safe distance so he can truly relax.
He was always one drink away from being relaxed in my company.
Still love in though 🤣🤣 mad x
Did you get the feeling that your ex was, at heart, an otherwise good person, and that these kind of off putting behaviors were really just his avoidant nature shying away from intimacy? My ex did the same thing, btw... perching himself at times on the edge of my couch in a formal upright position, being very aloof. Other times he'd show up at my place and be all over me. As I got to know my ex, I began to realize that he was actually a cold hearted, selfish person, nothing like the hilarious, fun, affectionate man I fell in love with. He had a Jekyll and Hyde personality, and his true nature was quite arrogant. He lacked empathy (the ability to see from another person's perspective and understand how his behavior impacts them). The lack of empathy is THE defining characteristic of a narcissist, and realizing this about my ex is what started me down the path to understand that he was way more than just a DA. Did your ex consistently show the same personality while you were together, or did he lure you in with a persona that was incredibly alluring and seemed so compatible with you, only to switch it up later with this cold, withholding, dismissive personality that you describe in your posts? Did you feel at times like you were dating two different people? Mine would switch between Mr. Dazzling and Mr. Distant. If you got to know your ex and really thought he was a good guy, just with DA traits, you know you were just dealing with attachment issues. But if you got to know your ex and thought he was actually a cold hearted, arrogant A-hole, he just hid his true colors very well, then you might want to head on over to one of the subreddits on Narcissism.
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