I used to have extreme A-P with my friends and casual dating, but through hardwork and research, I am able to be mostly secure. I keep trying to employ my new techniques for healthy relationships, but somehow keep getting suckered into frustrating relationships w/ DA partners.
At the start, they are so kind. They are happy to talk for hours about things of a personal nature, super attentive, *consistently* going out of their way to help me, treating me like gold, introducing me to their friends and making promises/plans... Then as become official, it’s like they’re a totally different person, a complete 180 has occured. Sure, it is easy to say “dump them”, but a lot of the times the DA will persist and ask to reconnect, I will let them know *exactly* what I am looking for anf they’ll swear change, but for nothing.
How do I know early on if someone is a DA? I can’t keep going back and forth like this. It isn’t chipping away at myself esteem, but its just annoying and feels like a time waste.
i am a DA female and the behavior you are describing does not seem like DA but rather FA with the early pursuit and even becoming "official." i don't know how to steer you past it as it takes time for this dynamic to unfold- i think it may be easier to get an early read on a DA because we don't prioritize relationship ever much less with someone we are not too familiar with.
if anything i would consider too much intensity or involvement early on a red flag for FA- as they do crave relationship from what i understand and work hard to build that initial connection before they become avoidant and bolt because of inner conflict.
just my opinion of the situation you are presenting.
I used to have extreme A-P with my friends and casual dating, but through hardwork and research, I am able to be mostly secure. I keep trying to employ my new techniques for healthy relationships, but somehow keep getting suckered into frustrating relationships w/ DA partners.
At the start, they are so kind. They are happy to talk for hours about things of a personal nature, super attentive, *consistently* going out of their way to help me, treating me like gold, introducing me to their friends and making promises/plans... Then as become official, it’s like they’re a totally different person, a complete 180 has occured. Sure, it is easy to say “dump them”, but a lot of the times the DA will persist and ask to reconnect, I will let them know *exactly* what I am looking for anf they’ll swear change, but for nothing.
How do I know early on if someone is a DA? I can’t keep going back and forth like this. It isn’t chipping away at myself esteem, but its just annoying and feels like a time waste.
trying2learn - yes, I've had much of this too. The last one blew me away, so subtly, gradually and 'nicely' that I didn't see it coming (having learnt from the full-ons, which I can now spot). Then a similar thing happened with the 180, but in a really dramatic and traumatic way (leaving me quite ill) We're (just) 'friends' now (but apparently were 'friends' then too, but 'close') after me going NC, because of his (again) subtle efforts to reconnect. I've had the 180 with others before, which was shocking each time, left me reeling and in so much pain and I too thought I had learnt. It felt like this one got under the radar somehow. Plus the girl before is still affected by whatever happened with them while he moves onto the next one (we're all loose friends) very subtly yet in front of us.
What I think the answer is, to go by that 'feel' thing: - if it feels too good to be true, it probably is. - if it starts to feel like it's making you not feel so good, something is probably up. - if it feels quite good but not amazing, it's probably alright.
Well, it may put off some people, but it would certainly filter out any DA. If you let every beau take a test, and reject every DA, you will not end up with DA.
It's not like DA or secure former DA are looking to be with AP or former AP once we know how toxic the combination is
Well, it may put off some people, but it would certainly filter out any DA. If you let every beau take a test, and reject every DA, you will not end up with DA.
It's not like DA or secure former DA are looking to be with AP or former AP once we know how toxic the combination is
Maybe it's because i'm DA and don't have the anxious aspect , but i find it pretty easy to detect other insecure attachment types.
And, as DA i would find it hard to believe i am hard to detect even tho i am earned secure. It's got to be obvious. especially if you see my dating profile online.
i could see more confusion about FA initially, for an AP, who may sense availability because of the more engaged dating/connecting before fear /engulfment sets in? (i dont know if i said that exactly right, referring to what triggers the switch for FA, i am still trying to understand that. )
I agree that sounds more likely to be FA. I have also thought about this, as it turns out I switched from connecting toxicly to DAs to getting involved with two FAs (plus platonically befriended an FA guy who dropped me when our friendship got too close). Hooray!
Now that I can see all this stuff and am looking for secure, I think the absolute biggest clue if they seem eager to build a relationship is to ask about past experiences. The FAs I've gotten close to have all had REALLY tumultuous experiences with all exes. They've also chased several emotionally unavailable or inappropriate people.
This can happen with APs, too, who have dated DAs, but if you started as an AP, you can probably pick those one out.
I think it can be a little hard to see the signs in the very beginning. I remember the first time my “ex” DA pulled me away. I invited him to come over and eat dinner at my place for the first time and he did not answer for three days and of course he could not come. I thought of course it was a little bit strange that he couldn’t say no earlier. Before I invited him over I remember we had a very good night together and now that I know about attachment theory I guess it was the first time he got afraid of closeness. At that time I thought he is not interested anymore, time to move on. Maybe he expected me to chase efter him but I didn’t. A week later he contacted me and I answered that he makes me confuse, he said once that he was tired of being singel and looking for love. I asked if he said that for hinting something if no what he wanted from us. He said he needed somedays to figure it out and when he answered he said he wasn’t ready for a commiting in a serious relationship but if I also wanted we could continue seeing eachother . At that time I was not looking for neither something serious or friends with benefits. I was more like what happens happens so I agreed to continue seeing him.
I think I have learned a little bit about how to recognize signs of DA.
*Taking unnecessary time to answer texts. Well I don’t feel the same anxiety like APs but I think that’s rude. You don’t have to know if you will be free next wednesday but what about saying “I don’t know yet, can I tell you later tonight/tomorrow...”
*Pulling away when things are good. Next time I am looking for a serious relationship and dating someone, if it happens that the guy pulls me away without any good explanation he does not need to come back.
* Showing with actions that he may likes me but wanting to let things casual. I don’t have time to those things if I am looking for something serious.
Post by leavethelighton on Aug 4, 2018 23:53:39 GMT
What does the "makes me feel like gold" mean to you? Perhaps there is something there-- something disproportionate to the situation (like love bombing)? It feels like the holy grail when it is happening, but I've been through enough rounds to know there is something to be skeptical about there.
Also I agree with Alexandra, that there is likely some clues in how they talk about their past, their exes, etc. Do they have a healthy perspective on the past, or is their past rife with emotional drama/trauma or the opposite-- too much a lack of feeling and respect when they speak of it?
It could also be that some of what you want to see in them in a positive light because it is attractive, such as a sense of independence, may be something you realize later was a sign they will have difficulty sticking around-- they are too committed to the idea of independence, for example.
It's so easy to spot AP profiles on dating sites. They usually have loads of smiley emoticons and talk about "love" and "finding prince charming" and all that. Narcs must have a field day!
As an aside, I find a good question to ask during online dating is "what one thing have you learnt from your last proper relationship?". If they answer truthfully then it can tell a lot about them I think
It's so easy to spot AP profiles on dating sites. They usually have loads of smiley emoticons and talk about "love" and "finding prince charming" and all that. Narcs must have a field day!
As an aside, I find a good question to ask during online dating is "what one thing have you learnt from your last proper relationship?". If they answer truthfully then it can tell a lot about them I think
Hmm, I think you are selling APs a bit short on the profile writing there....
Not a bad question though. What sort of things have people told you? On the other hand, wouldn't a manipulator know how to tell you what you want to hear?
I think it can be a little hard to see the signs in the very beginning. I remember the first time my “ex” DA pulled me away. I invited him to come over and eat dinner at my place for the first time and he did not answer for three days and of course he could not come. I thought of course it was a little bit strange that he couldn’t say no earlier. Before I invited him over I remember we had a very good night together and now that I know about attachment theory I guess it was the first time he got afraid of closeness. At that time I thought he is not interested anymore, time to move on. Maybe he expected me to chase efter him but I didn’t. A week later he contacted me and I answered that he makes me confuse, he said once that he was tired of being singel and looking for love. I asked if he said that for hinting something if no what he wanted from us. He said he needed somedays to figure it out and when he answered he said he wasn’t ready for a commiting in a serious relationship but if I also wanted we could continue seeing eachother . At that time I was not looking for neither something serious or friends with benefits. I was more like what happens happens so I agreed to continue seeing him.
I think I have learned a little bit about how to recognize signs of DA.
*Taking unnecessary time to answer texts. Well I don’t feel the same anxiety like APs but I think that’s rude. You don’t have to know if you will be free next wednesday but what about saying “I don’t know yet, can I tell you later tonight/tomorrow...”
*Pulling away when things are good. Next time I am looking for a serious relationship and dating someone, if it happens that the guy pulls me away without any good explanation he does not need to come back.
* Showing with actions that he may likes me but wanting to let things casual. I don’t have time to those things if I am looking for something serious.
Texting behaviour is not so cut and dry to me because every secure I know can sometimes take ages to reply to texts. Sometimes they totally forget about texts and it was nothing malicious. I say they are secures because either they've taken a test and told me about it, or their lives just scream secure, like they have been happily married for ages and have lots of close friends that they've known for ages, and even I as an AP feel totally secure with them. Is your experience different, that secures always text back promptly? The heaviest texters with the fastest response times I personally know are the most extreme APs I know.
I think it can be a little hard to see the signs in the very beginning. I remember the first time my “ex” DA pulled me away. I invited him to come over and eat dinner at my place for the first time and he did not answer for three days and of course he could not come. I thought of course it was a little bit strange that he couldn’t say no earlier. Before I invited him over I remember we had a very good night together and now that I know about attachment theory I guess it was the first time he got afraid of closeness. At that time I thought he is not interested anymore, time to move on. Maybe he expected me to chase efter him but I didn’t. A week later he contacted me and I answered that he makes me confuse, he said once that he was tired of being singel and looking for love. I asked if he said that for hinting something if no what he wanted from us. He said he needed somedays to figure it out and when he answered he said he wasn’t ready for a commiting in a serious relationship but if I also wanted we could continue seeing eachother . At that time I was not looking for neither something serious or friends with benefits. I was more like what happens happens so I agreed to continue seeing him.
I think I have learned a little bit about how to recognize signs of DA.
*Taking unnecessary time to answer texts. Well I don’t feel the same anxiety like APs but I think that’s rude. You don’t have to know if you will be free next wednesday but what about saying “I don’t know yet, can I tell you later tonight/tomorrow...”
*Pulling away when things are good. Next time I am looking for a serious relationship and dating someone, if it happens that the guy pulls me away without any good explanation he does not need to come back.
* Showing with actions that he may likes me but wanting to let things casual. I don’t have time to those things if I am looking for something serious.
Texting behaviour is not so cut and dry to me because every secure I know can sometimes take ages to reply to texts. Sometimes they totally forget about texts and it was nothing malicious. I say they are secures because either they've taken a test and told me about it, or their lives just scream secure, like they have been happily married for ages and have lots of close friends that they've known for ages, and even I as an AP feel totally secure with them. Is your experience different, that secures always text back promptly? The heaviest texters with the fastest response times I personally know are the most extreme APs I know.
There are people I know that are always slow to answer texts, I guess it is just how they are. But this DA guy I was seeing changed from being kind of fast to answer to like taking days to text back. It is not about answering right back, people have a job and have other stuff to do but if I invite someone to do something together I do wait for an answer. I think it is rude to wait for the last minute to say “sorry I can’t”. Well I wanted to spend time with that person and it’s totally fine if he did not want or could do that but I thought it was rude to keep me waiting, I could have planned something else to do or whatever. Anyway efter he did the same thing a few times again I said “I’m sorry but I if you can’t say yes/no/maybe/I have to check when I want to see you then it’s better if we stop seeing each other. It’s a deal breaker for me”. Guess what? He never lefted me waiting for an answer anymore.
Im DA and i answer promptly, i am sure know one could know me by my texting style. I agree that it's very rude to ignore an invitation, and i would have just planned something else and not continued that weirdness either!