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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 14:46:02 GMT
I appreciate this article, as it affirms the avoidant's strong capacity for connection. If a partner is anxiously attached, they will not be able to forge this connection with an avoidant because their own attachment injury exacerbates obstacles to intimacy with an avoidant partner. However, we dismissives do love, love deeply, and love well, with a partner who has a complimentary style of relating, one that can accommodate our needs and recognize the gifts that we have and bring to the relationship. This is not a slam on AP partners- it is an affirmation of our humanity, our depth, and our need to love and be loved, as we are. It's just a hug for me, and for any dismissives who are or feel misunderstood. dianepooleheller.com/avoidant-needs-corrective-strategies/
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Post by brokenbiscuit on Aug 7, 2018 15:46:32 GMT
But the internet tells me all avoidants are monsters and don't deserve anything!
I'm conflicted now đ¤
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 15:56:40 GMT
But the internet tells me all avoidants are monsters and don't deserve anything! I'm conflicted now đ¤ hahahaha! đ avoid the internet đ
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Post by rubyred on Aug 7, 2018 16:06:50 GMT
lilyg
I think perhaps we are experiencing something similar.
It's hard for an open-hearted person to understand the barriers set in place for the Avoidant. When you live a life where love flows freely, and you're willing to move through whatever emotional difficulties to meet your lover with LOVE, it is mind-baffling to try to understand the avoidant's walls.
Right now, my boyfriend (who I am breaking up with) sees my perspective as unreasonable. I guess I will have to accept that. I kind of regret sharing my heart, my emotional self with him, because it's only used to weaponize the interaction. Perhaps I should have just said: I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 16:25:23 GMT
lilyg I think perhaps we are experiencing something similar. It's hard for an open-hearted person to understand the barriers set in place for the Avoidant. When you live a life where love flows freely, and you're willing to move through whatever emotional difficulties to meet your lover with LOVE, it is mind-baffling to try to understand the avoidant's walls. Right now, my boyfriend (who I am breaking up with) sees my perspective as unreasonable. I guess I will have to accept that. I kind of regret sharing my heart, my emotional self with him, because it's only used to weaponize the interaction. Perhaps I should have just said: I'm done. back to hugging avoidants . this post is for avoidants who are or feel misunderstood , i would appreciate if you don't hijack it for your breakup experience, thank you. lilyg i saw and so deeply appreciated your post, and i have to drive but will respond more fully later. thanks again.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 7, 2018 16:37:21 GMT
Really good article Juniper. I like how it tied the whole "I want you in my house just not in my room" with the comfort that being in separate rooms provides to the avoidant. I never understood that before so this is new insight. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 16:49:47 GMT
Really good article Juniper. I like how it tied the whole "I want you in my house just not in my room" with the comfort that being in separate rooms provides to the avoidant. I never understood that before so this is new insight. Thank you. i'm glad it was helpful for providing some insight to you! this article resonated with me, a lot. My dismissive partner and i were able to remain very closely connected emotionally without seeing each other more than twice a week, and since we didn't cohabit or see each other more often, we spent our time together 1000% engaged. It was our time, and we enjoyed sexual intimacy, snuggie intimacy, sleeping with a continuous physical contact (our backs pressed together or feet touching), when awake and relaxing we would just lay quietly holding hands, watching nature shows, talking, and we would exercise or putter around while talking about the stuff we want to share with each other. If we were to cohabit, i am certain that we would enjoy the separate room thing very much and spend a lot of time away from each other enjoying each of us our own pursuits, and we would connect 100% at times as well. He was not aware of attachment theory theory or his own dismissiveness, but as i am dismissive and aware, i knew how to read him, and understand his way of connecting with me. it was in the way he listened quietly with eye contact when i spoke, even if he didn't have much to say in return. it was in the way he reached for me even if he didn't want to talk. it was in the way he gave me advice when i asked and didn't, when i did not! he saw and understood me. An anxious partber would have been wry very unhappy with what we shared- but one man's trash is another man's treasure and that's how i feel about avoidants. I get that we can not meet or understand or even validate everyone's needs. So we are not for those people! But we are for someone, we are for ourselves, and we can be good partners to someone who can fit our puzzle pieces with their own. There is no fault in this, and it's nice to recognize, that just because i am not one person's cup of tea doesn't mean another person wouldn't sip me and feel quenched! đ different strokes for different folks, we are all lovable at our core.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 16:59:41 GMT
Really good article Juniper. I like how it tied the whole "I want you in my house just not in my room" with the comfort that being in separate rooms provides to the avoidant. I never understood that before so this is new insight. Thank you. it's striking for me to realize that i do not have more than two memories of my mother being intentially in a room with me and engaging. At christmas i have memories of her doing presents and all that and i appreciate that. The other memory that i can access is that she would gather my sibs and i together in the evening to read to us.  I really appreciate what she was doing there. But there was not interaction- it was her reading a book, it was not conversation. surely we must have conversed intentionally but i cannot recall that from my younger years at all. when i came home from school in second grade (walking the blocks to our house) i would make cinnamon toast for myself and then eventually go see her in her room where she would be writing letters on the typewriter to her mom whom she hated, or sewing for money as a seamstress, almost always on the phone. my father, i only remember seeing sometimes in the morning when he gulped a breakfast shake before work.  he was a severe alcoholic but a functional one. i never saw him but in the morning for a few minutes. sometimes he would sit down at the table, and i would sit there with him in silence.  he wasn't there to talk to me.  i would only see him if i went to him. he liked my sister and it was very different as he gave her gifts a lot and called her sunshine and sang to her. someone told me; with my dark hair and eyes, i reminded him a lot of my mother.  My sister was blonde.  it seems so shallow but hey.  he was sad when i was born, in despair, as he hated my mother so. he saw me as a tragedy. also, my mother told me from a very young age, that i was just like her mother. i did not know until i was an adult, that ah hated her mother for what she felt was abandonment. i met and connected with my aunt, her younger sister, just a few years ago and she described my mother's personality disorder and the family dynamic to me. she said my mother and grandmother were exceedingly hateful and cruel to each other, and would write 13 page letters of vitriol week after week. they were estranged 13 years before my grandmother died. i am my grandmothers namesake. What a legacy i inherited there lol. so- the separate room thing.  i never heard or read about it.  but it's a thing.Â
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 7, 2018 17:06:57 GMT
I see depth as a dimension seperate from the frequency of the interaction and the predicted duration of the commitment.
Some relationships have little depth although people see each other almost every day for decades. Most colleagues are like that as are many arranged or practical marriages.
I have lots of depth with my close friends, and we have a high duration of the relationship both historically and predicted. Yet we do not see each other even every week.
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Post by ocarina on Aug 7, 2018 17:07:52 GMT
Thanks for sharing - I am that person - right up for intimacy but in a separate room or co habiting next door neighbours - that would be a joy.
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 7, 2018 17:16:17 GMT
I actually prefer to consciously get together and also seperate into our own fresh energy cyclically. I find a partner more attractive when he has recently been away, doing his own thing and is coming back with new stories, new experiences and new ideas. Then we have something to share, something that is different from my own experience.
Having my own room would be nice, but it could also be in terms of time; a certain day of the week being my alone time. Even based on activities; some hobbies and tasks can be shared, others are mine or his. I am not very rigid about how we keep freshness, as long as we do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 17:17:53 GMT
Thanks for sharing - I am that person - right up for intimacy but in a separate room or co habiting next door neighbours - that would be a joy. wouldn't it? i like that my partner and i were 20 minutes away but there for each other the way we were, it was perfect for both of us. our bond was strong! way stronger than previous partners, whom i did live with. Every creature has a natural habitat where they thrive. including me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 17:23:05 GMT
I actually prefer to consciously get together and also seperate into our own fresh energy cyclically. I find a partner more attractive when he has recently been away, doing his own thing and is coming back with new stories, new experiences and new ideas. Then we have something to share, something that is different from my own experience. Having my own room would be nice, but it could also be in terms of time; a certain day of the week being my alone time. Even based on activities; some hobbies and tasks can be shared, others are mine or his. I am not very rigid about how we keep freshness, as long as we do. yes! and you know, in the US separate master bedrooms was a popular thing in homes built in the 80's. my partner had a home like that. we always were in one room. but his ex wife had her own room there years ago when they were married. I believe she may have been AP and ultimately they were incompatible, but that's not the point. separate rooms for couples is not unheard of but you would think so according to some haha!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 17:52:03 GMT
juniper , I really enjoyed this and your general input in the forums. It's like the blog says: " So if you have an Avoidant in your life that you care about and they do love you, they just donât know itâthey are not very demonstrative. Having Avoidant Attachment does not mean someone doesnât love you. They do love you, itâs just that the way they manage that, and, communication might be difficult for them." It was very difficult for me to understand it, as I felt that I was deceiving myself thinking that my boyfriend loved me. I felt loved, but then he just ran away from me. This had never happened to me, I'm often good at perceiving when a guy was just playing with me or not that interested. I was... speechless. I usually wear my heart on my sleeve and trust people in general, so for me it was very confusing (love for me comes easy, and I couldn't grasp what was going on inside him when he made that decision). I'm really glad he opened up in a real way even if he took time to understand that I was someone this important to him (and that yes, we were in love). It's a very precious feeling, but I'm still a bit scared. Thank you for sharing this! Thank you for your kind words I completely understand how others have difficulty understanding dismissives. This board has illuminated me to just how deep the misunderstanding is. As a dismissive, i of course , in the past, could not get my head around others- i really have felt alien and also baffled by other people , and have had a hard time understanding why he disconnect, prior to awareness. Even still, i am reminded how my viewpoint is so vastly different from that of others, and i feel surprised sometimes about the responses from people who had not been able to see things from my vantage point, until i shared. We all come from, where we come from. It's important to develop the capacity to be able or at least willing to try to see things through another's eyes. So participating here, i focus on the similarity of insecure attachment (prior to awareness) the inability to give and receive love in a way that is nourishing to the self, and to others. This is a sad problem. The solution for each of us lies within our own hearts and minds. so i focus on that. Of course, i am interacting with other insecure people here and so i try to share person-to person about how to recognize and deliver oneself from one's own attachment wounding. I am not concerned about a partner who is not here trying to heal and do not interact much about that except to provide some insight into another perspective than the one being presented by posters here with other attachment styles. I am attempting to walk side by side with people of all styles healing attachment wounds. So i thank you for your kindness. I am sorry that your relationship did not survive. (am i correct in this understanding?) My dismissove partner and i are no longer romantically involved either, for reasons that are outside of our compatibilty- but it is sad nonetheless and requires acceptance, which i have been able to attain. I am glad that you can look at your ex partner with some understanding and compassion, this is kindness and generosity of sprit, as goldi has reminded us. And, it will assist you in your own healing, to have a warm heart to the extent that you are able to. i wish you the best in your process of healing from that and discovering your true self as well, regardless of our attachment styles that is a lifelong endeavor. đ¸
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Post by stayhappy on Aug 7, 2018 20:04:00 GMT
Itâs really a good article. I have read it before once when I found out about attachment style and was wondering about the way avoidant show they like someone as I was âdatingâ a DA and it could be a little confusing sometimes.
I never saw my âexâ DA as someone without empathy, he never distanced himself when we had some âargumentâ it was actually only efter some very good and intense moments. It took some time to find an way to make things ok. I remember asked him whitch were his boundaries and he said we could not sleep together anymore than I said I can not buy because I like the warm feelings I get by sleeping next to someone. I also told him my boundaries and for me the most important thing was that he could tell me when he needed space instead for disappearing or nothing answered when I asked to meet him and he accepted this. The funny thing is that efter not so long time we put those roles he was the one who wanted to âbreakâ his rules and wanted to sleep together, did not needed so much space anymore until unfortunately one day he pulled me away instead of communicating that he needed some space. I got sad because I thought we were getting somewhere. I did not fight because deep inside I knew he did not do that to hurt me but I felt like I had to finish the relationship because I can not really give what he needs either can him give what itâs important for me. He did tried to get together some days ago and I did my best to finish things in a friendly way because I really do not want to hurt him. It was hard to break up because I enjoyed our time together but maybe it was the best thing for both of us. I hope he is doing it well.
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