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Post by justno on Sept 10, 2018 17:20:28 GMT
She wasn't anything like he described. Not in looks. Not in personality. He'd also claimed they had this beautiful and perfect whirlwind romance. Her version of events is that he's a psychopathic stalker who physically attacked her on at least one occasion.
But the DA spent literally hours talking about how perfect this woman was and how wonderful their relationship was, to the point where I felt I was actually IN a relationship with the Phantom Ex.
What the .......?
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Post by epicgum on Sept 10, 2018 18:43:19 GMT
Are you upset about your illusions being shattered about your ex? Or about the phantom ex, or both?
The idea of the phantom ex is that it is an impossible idealization to protect the DA from committing to dangerous intimacy....so it's not surprising that her real life flesh and blood doesn't quite measure up to the fantasy.
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Post by alexandra on Sept 10, 2018 18:54:21 GMT
I once had an opportunity to meet the phantom ex and I didn't because I felt too threatened. But now that I found this board and understand what it's about, I kind of wish I did. It probably would have been illuminating at the time, during the relationship, and tipped me off to what I was dealing with.
All I know about her life since then is she ended up marrying another guy who looks just like our ex! (And that photo was an accidental social media find because we have mutual connections.)
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Post by lilyg on Sept 10, 2018 19:14:06 GMT
Her talking about him being a stalker and attacking her would worry me more than anything.
This and the other post you made... Please be careful with that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 19:56:49 GMT
it seems like it would take quite a bit of dysfunction on your part to even be in a relationship ship with the ex you are describing, and you are saying he is DA but describing someone who seems to have pathological behaviors.
i'm not sure what your objectives are here on the forum but while you're here you might want to take a look at your end, your attachment style, and why you picked this guy as a partner.
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Post by alexandra on Sept 10, 2018 20:17:17 GMT
Yes, since OP seems to be aware and is using all the right language and specific jargon, I assumed the situation was scary enough to have already run away from. Do you need help, OP?
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Post by justno on Sept 10, 2018 22:10:34 GMT
Are you upset about your illusions being shattered about your ex? Or about the phantom ex, or both? The idea of the phantom ex is that it is an impossible idealization to protect the DA from committing to dangerous intimacy....so it's not surprising that her real life flesh and blood doesn't quite measure up to the fantasy. I don't recall saying that I was upset.
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Post by justno on Sept 10, 2018 22:12:19 GMT
Her talking about him being a stalker and attacking her would worry me more than anything. This and the other post you made... Please be careful with that guy. Yes, it was terrifying information to receive. By the time I met her the relationship was over, although I was still dealing with abusive messages from him. The things she described having gone through in the relationship with him were almost identical to the things I went through. He also triangulated her with a different Phantom Ex, which was quite interesting.
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Post by justno on Sept 10, 2018 22:13:01 GMT
Yes, since OP seems to be aware and is using all the right language and specific jargon, I assumed the situation was scary enough to have already run away from. Do you need help, OP? Thank you for your concern, I appreciate it. I am no longer in a relationship with this individual. I have a restraining order against him now, actually.
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Post by justno on Sept 10, 2018 22:13:43 GMT
it seems like it would take quite a bit of dysfunction on your part to even be in a relationship ship with the ex you are describing, and you are saying he is DA but describing someone who seems to have pathological behaviors. i'm not sure what your objectives are here on the forum but while you're here you might want to take a look at your end, your attachment style, and why you picked this guy as a partner. I tend to blame abusers for abuse actually. And a person can be Dismissive Avoidant AND pathological.
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Post by epicgum on Sept 10, 2018 22:31:50 GMT
Her talking about him being a stalker and attacking her would worry me more than anything. This and the other post you made... Please be careful with that guy. Yes, it was terrifying information to receive. By the time I met her the relationship was over, although I was still dealing with abusive messages from him. The things she described having gone through in the relationship with him were almost identical to the things I went through. He also triangulated her with a different Phantom Ex, which was quite interesting. That sounds like narcissistic behavior from my untrained eye. However, as others have said, it would be best to examine your own thought process and actions in the relationship. Something that I personally wish I'd learned much earlier is that there is no one fucked up person in a fucked up relationship, and if your partner, or ex-partner had problems. .. you probably have problems too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 23:10:17 GMT
Yes, it was terrifying information to receive. By the time I met her the relationship was over, although I was still dealing with abusive messages from him. The things she described having gone through in the relationship with him were almost identical to the things I went through. He also triangulated her with a different Phantom Ex, which was quite interesting. That sounds like narcissistic behavior from my untrained eye. However, as others have said, it would be best to examine your own thought process and actions in the relationship. Something that I personally wish I'd learned much earlier is that there is no one fucked up person in a fucked up relationship, and if your partner, or ex-partner had problems. .. you probably have problems too. true that
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Post by happyidiot on Sept 11, 2018 6:15:15 GMT
it seems like it would take quite a bit of dysfunction on your part to even be in a relationship ship with the ex you are describing, and you are saying he is DA but describing someone who seems to have pathological behaviors. i'm not sure what your objectives are here on the forum but while you're here you might want to take a look at your end, your attachment style, and why you picked this guy as a partner. I tend to blame abusers for abuse actually. And a person can be Dismissive Avoidant AND pathological. I don't think people suggesting you look at why you were drawn to or stayed for however long in a relationship with someone abusive are blaming you. You might have done it because you didn't feel properly loved as a child, that's not your fault. Learning self-insight, finding ways to heal and ways to avoid getting into harmful relationship dynamics in the future doesn't necessitate blame. Of course someone should not be abusive. Everyone here is encouraged to look at themselves, it's not at all about looking down on you for having dated someone abusive. Your other thread asks "Is this normal?" which sounds like you are asking if the behavior you described is common/typical behavior for someone with a dismissive avoidant attachment style, and it isn't. He has far more going on than just dismissive attachment. Yes of course he can have both a personality disorder or mental illness and a DA attachment style, it's just that it is much more harmful to date someone who has both going on and isn't "just" DA. Some people might be sensitive to the way that insecure attachments are often conflated with severe personality disorders, as we don't wish to be seen as monsters simply for having anxious or avoidant tendencies. Most people with personality disorders are insecure attachers, but most insecure attachers don't have personality disorders and aren't abusive.
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Post by lilyg on Sept 11, 2018 8:11:29 GMT
I tend to blame abusers for abuse actually. And a person can be Dismissive Avoidant AND pathological. I don't think people suggesting you look at why you were drawn to or stayed for however long in a relationship with someone abusive are blaming you. You might have done it because you didn't feel properly loved as a child, that's not your fault. Learning self-insight, finding ways to heal and ways to avoid getting into harmful relationship dynamics in the future doesn't necessitate blame. Of course someone should not be abusive. Everyone here is encouraged to look at themselves, it's not at all about looking down on you for having dated someone abusive. Your other thread asks "Is this normal?" which sounds like you are asking if the behavior you described is common/typical behavior for someone with a dismissive avoidant attachment style, and it isn't. He has far more going on than just dismissive attachment. Yes of course he can have both a personality disorder or mental illness and a DA attachment style, it's just that it is much more harmful to date someone who has both going on and isn't "just" DA. Some people might be sensitive to the way that insecure attachments are often conflated with severe personality disorders, as we don't wish to be seen as monsters simply for having anxious or avoidant tendencies. Most people with personality disorders are insecure attachers, but most insecure attachers don't have personality disorders and aren't abusive. This is it. When something is very 'over the top' you have something else going on, more often than not, a personality disorder. Also, a person can be an abuser without having a personality disorder. If you want to understand more about it, I recommend you the book: 'Why does he do that?' by Lundy Bancroft. It is a very interesting read and I think you can get more insight on what happened to you than from attachment styles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:53:24 GMT
it seems like it would take quite a bit of dysfunction on your part to even be in a relationship ship with the ex you are describing, and you are saying he is DA but describing someone who seems to have pathological behaviors. i'm not sure what your objectives are here on the forum but while you're here you might want to take a look at your end, your attachment style, and why you picked this guy as a partner. I tend to blame abusers for abuse actually. And a person can be Dismissive Avoidant AND pathological. it's been well elaborated on here, by very well spoken posters. The simple version is, as a woman who has endured a ton of grave abuse from pathological partners, i have never once encountered victim's advocacy that didn't advocate for the victim exploring and transforming their own psychology. This board is a great place to do that, but it's not a great place to deny one's own responsibility for any dynamic they were in. Even those who have been perpetrated on by the worst abusers entered a voluntary adult relationship with blind spots where they need to develop better vision. i think it's obvious what kind of support you can expect if you choose to take the route of healing your own issues, the support is generous and well informed. on the other hand, the posts you led with seem likely to inspire responses that aren't quite what you're looking for.
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