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The talk
Sept 12, 2018 4:55:02 GMT
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Post by stayhappy on Sept 12, 2018 4:55:02 GMT
Actually that is the first time I am going to have this kind of talk with someone. I don’t have so much experience at dating at all. The other two partners I had things just happened so naturally, I don’t even remember when it went from dating to a relationship 😅.
Maybe the way of dating changed while I was in my long term relationship. Dating apps made it easier and harder at the same time. I remember when my relationship was over and I decide I was ready to date again my friends told me about Tinder. It was so many to choose, and so many guys wanted to meet...I was like ok, I can’t continue like this... I took my three favorites to get to know a little better. 2 of them were going to move to another city soon so it didn’t feel right to continue seeing them and yeah the other one was this guy I am seeing now.
The interesting thing is at the beginning things were going like it always been with my previously partners... until some kind of pulling away started. That was knew and kind of confusing for me until I read about attachment theory and thought it explained a lot 😊
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Post by lilyg on Sept 12, 2018 9:19:37 GMT
Well I sleep around when I'm single but I don't like having a friend with benefits situation. The maximum I can be like that it's between 2 months while I decide if I want to get exclusive with someone. If I don't, I leave. It makes me uncomfortable. And if I delevop feelings for someone I cannot think of him sleeping with someone else and I need to try an exclusive relationship with that person. All the guys I've dated initiated 'the talk', I don't know why. The only talk I've initiated was with my current partner, in which it felt like a relationship but we've never talked about it until I had 'the talk' and I learned all about attachment styles after his reaction
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The talk
Sept 12, 2018 9:52:56 GMT
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Post by stayhappy on Sept 12, 2018 9:52:56 GMT
Well I sleep around when I'm single but I don't like having a friend with benefits situation. The maximum I can be like that it's between 2 months while I decide if I want to get exclusive with someone. If I don't, I leave. It makes me uncomfortable. And if I delevop feelings for someone I cannot think of him sleeping with someone else and I need to try an exclusive relationship with that person. All the guys I've dated initiated 'the talk', I don't know why. The only talk I've initiated was with my current partner, in which it felt like a relationship but we've never talked about it until I had 'the talk' and I learned all about attachment styles after his reaction How did you feel by being the one who had to start “the talk” with someone? I never did it either because as I said my two other relationships things just happened 😅. That is the first time I am having sex outside a “relationship”. I got married pretty young so I didn’t have time to date so many guys. The break up with my ex was really hard for me. But efter a while I started missing those physical contacts ☺️, so I kind of wanted to meet someone to have some fun for a while, but I also promised myself to not be afraid to love again, I wouldn’t avoid love or a relationship but neither rush into it 😊
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 13:19:56 GMT
also, my partner and i prefer to have focused talks that don't involve an activity. shared activities are great for bonding but for communicating and gaining clarity we prefer no distractions. i don't know if other DA are the same but we like simple and direct without too much dancing around, and trying to ease that into an activity as if we aren't talking about something majorly important isn't something we have ever done. in fact, if something heavy comes up we stop everything else if we can and just get down to business. I agree with this. I always had focused talks as well with my ex for anything serious. I guess I don't do well with distractions. I also much prefer direct talk without someone dancing around the issue. I like to know exactly what the person is asking and I can't stand when I feel like they are stepping around asking a direct question. It seems sometimes people think I will give a different answer if they ask it in a certain way. That's not the case for me. It just gets frustrating when I know they want to ask something but hesitate. I have no idea of this is a DA thing or not. It's just my opinion.
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The talk
Sept 12, 2018 13:33:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 13:33:26 GMT
it is a DA thing. i read something about it in the narrative style portion of the "healing dismissive attachment" thread (general forum).
don't patronize me by putting a bunch of padding around things, and don't come at me sideways.
i like bullet points , just the facts emotional or logicstocal when it comes to making decisions and settling issues or getting clarity. very direct.
the approach described in this thread with shared activity and broaching it casually and all softy-like seems very patronizing and like you're dealing with a little kid.
that's just my take.
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 12, 2018 14:12:48 GMT
also, my partner and i prefer to have focused talks that don't involve an activity. shared activities are great for bonding but for communicating and gaining clarity we prefer no distractions. i don't know if other DA are the same but we like simple and direct without too much dancing around, and trying to ease that into an activity as if we aren't talking about something majorly important isn't something we have ever done. in fact, if something heavy comes up we stop everything else if we can and just get down to business. I agree with this. I always had focused talks as well with my ex for anything serious. I guess I don't do well with distractions. I also much prefer direct talk without someone dancing around the issue. I like to know exactly what the person is asking and I can't stand when I feel like they are stepping around asking a direct question. It seems sometimes people think I will give a different answer if they ask it in a certain way. That's not the case for me. It just gets frustrating when I know they want to ask something but hesitate. I have no idea of this is a DA thing or not. It's just my opinion. Same here. Diplomacy is great, but dancing around the issue would only make me nervous and wary. A walk would be okay, but so is the kitchen table. Just make sure there is no noise or interrupting. It would be good to have some tea. "Dear Goldi, we have been seeing each other for a year and I enjoy your company. In the long run I am looking to be in a committed relationship. There is no rush to decide right now, but I do want you to consider the possibility over the next four weeks as I can better plan my career moves when I know where I stand in my personal life." This would work for me. Then after a couple of weeks we can discuss, if I am also interested in committing, what we both want out of a relationship and what we are committing to.
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The talk
Sept 12, 2018 14:16:58 GMT
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Post by stayhappy on Sept 12, 2018 14:16:58 GMT
I’m not a DA and I also prefer direct talk if I can choose. I can talk serious stuff during an activity if I have too or if my partner gets more relaxed of that.
My other partners were probably secures so talking about serious things or our relationship in general wasn’t something they thought were so stressful I think.
With this guy I’m seeing talking about us and things that happens between us is not as easy as I was used to but it got better. I did want to surprise and start to deep talk with him out of the blue so I send a text and for my surprise that time he was really fast to agree to that. I guess he kind of knows what I will say and I also think he knows how much I appreciate honesty and being real.
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Post by stayhappy on Sept 12, 2018 14:20:49 GMT
I agree with this. I always had focused talks as well with my ex for anything serious. I guess I don't do well with distractions. I also much prefer direct talk without someone dancing around the issue. I like to know exactly what the person is asking and I can't stand when I feel like they are stepping around asking a direct question. It seems sometimes people think I will give a different answer if they ask it in a certain way. That's not the case for me. It just gets frustrating when I know they want to ask something but hesitate. I have no idea of this is a DA thing or not. It's just my opinion. Same here. Diplomacy is great, but dancing around the issue would only make me nervous and wary. A walk would be okay, but so is the kitchen table. Just make sure there is no noise or interrupting. It would be good to have some tea. "Dear Goldi, we have been seeing each other for a year and I enjoy your company. In the long run I am looking to be in a committed relationship. There is no rush to decide right now, but I do want you to consider the possibility over the next four weeks as I can better plan my career moves when I know where I stand in my personal life." This would work for me. I like that! Practical and easy! Just as Iike!
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 12, 2018 14:37:09 GMT
Then after a couple of weeks we can discuss, if I am also interested in committing, what we both want out of a relationship and what we are committing to.
It would not feel as an ultimatum to me if there is no intent to manipulate, but rather to clarify.
If we have been friends or dating for a year, a few weeks would suffice for me to think about if I want to take it a step further with you and what that might entail for me. I would take the time to write down what I need and what I can offer to you.
My assumption would be that a committed relationship would include exclusivity, sex, making time for a weekly date and meeting close friends and relatives. But it is best to be explicit about your expectations.
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Post by lilyg on Sept 12, 2018 15:24:06 GMT
Well I sleep around when I'm single but I don't like having a friend with benefits situation. The maximum I can be like that it's between 2 months while I decide if I want to get exclusive with someone. If I don't, I leave. It makes me uncomfortable. And if I delevop feelings for someone I cannot think of him sleeping with someone else and I need to try an exclusive relationship with that person. All the guys I've dated initiated 'the talk', I don't know why. The only talk I've initiated was with my current partner, in which it felt like a relationship but we've never talked about it until I had 'the talk' and I learned all about attachment styles after his reaction How did you feel by being the one who had to start “the talk” with someone? I never did it either because as I said my two other relationships things just happened 😅. That is the first time I am having sex outside a “relationship”. I got married pretty young so I didn’t have time to date so many guys. The break up with my ex was really hard for me. But efter a while I started missing those physical contacts ☺️, so I kind of wanted to meet someone to have some fun for a while, but I also promised myself to not be afraid to love again, I wouldn’t avoid love or a relationship but neither rush into it 😊 Well I actually felt very confident with myself. We are great together, so I thought it was just a matter of talking the obvious. I actually thought he hadn't told me anything because maybe in his country people took longer/were not that formal in expressing commitment. And then BAM hahahahaha he didn't know what to say and he went very distant for a couple of days and I went on vacation to clear my thoughts. So it was... unexpected to say the least hahaha. That's when I was introduced to attachment styles. When I came back we talked about it, he told me he was terrible at relationships and it was worse if he liked someone a lot (and he liked me a lot, I could tell). We talked about our parents and traumas and expectations. He was very sincere. I saw him attracted and happy but still he wasn't prepared/willing to be in a relationship, but I told him I understood and to take time to think about what he wanted/needed. A week passed and he decided to try because we were 'perfect for each other' and well... we stayed together, then broke up, talked about attachment styles, then got back together again after a month and here we are, loving each other and trying to create that couple's bubble that we need if we want a happy, lasting relationship. This time I had more insight on attachment and I knew where he was coming from and my own fears (and we trusted each other enough to just talk frankly about things), we talked about attachment and love, more about his past, him feeling ready to be vulnerable and have a relationship, we being compatible in so many ways... I used to think that if a man didn't want a relationship is because he's not that into you... but I now can see maybe some people need more time to decide/the struggles of attachment. He talked about what he wanted in his life and from me, asked for another oportunity, and I told him what I expected from a relationship at this moment and in the future. So it went really good (and now that I think of it, I had this conversation at our favorite bar listening to sweet jazz music). So what I'm trying to say is stay calm, engage and be clear but let him talk. With all the insight you know I'm sure you'll handle well the outcome! I think it's good to have casual relationships if that's what you enjoy and it's great that you experiment your sexuality having those experiences made me understand myself in a very primal level. Also, thanks everybody for the comments, it's insightful to know how you all prefer to do and act while talking about something like this
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The talk
Sept 12, 2018 15:35:33 GMT
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Post by stayhappy on Sept 12, 2018 15:35:33 GMT
Then after a couple of weeks we can discuss, if I am also interested in committing, what we both want out of a relationship and what we are committing to. It would not feel as an ultimatum to me if there is no intent to manipulate, but rather to clarify. If we have been friends or dating for a year, a few weeks would suffice for me to think about if I want to take it a step further with you and what that might entail for me. I would take the time to write down what I need and what I can offer to you. My assumption would be that a committed relationship would include exclusivity, sex, making time for a weekly date and meeting close friends and relatives. But it is best to be explicit about your expectations. Yes! I think like this: I date someone to get to know if we can have a relationship and under the relationship we will find out if we can get our relationship even further like moving in together/getting married, having kids and all that stuff. I know and like him enough to feel like I would like to have a relationship. But I don’t know yet if would be a good “life partners” but I am curious to know. Let’s see if we share the same thoughts 😊.
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Post by epicgum on Sept 12, 2018 15:40:08 GMT
To each their own, all I can offer is my own feelings and experience and what I've read in books and on the web to try to understand the best techniques.
That said...I'm a bit skeptical that we share the same issues, and I think my case is more likely to be encountered "in the wild" by those asking the question. My advice is for people dealing with people like myself who have a (perhaps) irrational fear of intimacy/commitment/emotions/engulfment, and so the point of the "kid gloves" and other "sideways" aspects of it is to soften the threat that it poses and ease into it. You wouldn't ask a person with a phobia of snakes to go into the snake-pit alone...you'd go in holding their hand...and first you'd show pictures of snakes, and see a snake in a museum etc. same principal applies.
This assumes that both people ultimately want to get to the same committed place with one another, or at least give themselves the opportunity to get to that place without being derailed by their attachment system. If you WANT the other person to run away...it's easy enough to do that too!
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The talk
Sept 12, 2018 15:44:52 GMT
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Post by stayhappy on Sept 12, 2018 15:44:52 GMT
How did you feel by being the one who had to start “the talk” with someone? I never did it either because as I said my two other relationships things just happened 😅. That is the first time I am having sex outside a “relationship”. I got married pretty young so I didn’t have time to date so many guys. The break up with my ex was really hard for me. But efter a while I started missing those physical contacts ☺️, so I kind of wanted to meet someone to have some fun for a while, but I also promised myself to not be afraid to love again, I wouldn’t avoid love or a relationship but neither rush into it 😊 Well I actually felt very confident with myself. We are great together, so I thought it was just a matter of talking the obvious. I actually thought he hadn't told me anything because maybe in his country people took longer/were not that formal in expressing commitment. And then BAM hahahahaha he didn't know what to say and he went very distant for a couple of days and I went on vacation to clear my thoughts. So it was... unexpected to say the least hahaha. That's when I was introduced to attachment styles. When I came back we talked about it, he told me he was terrible at relationships and it was worse if he liked someone a lot (and he liked me a lot, I could tell). We talked about our parents and traumas and expectations. He was very sincere. I saw him attracted and happy but still he wasn't prepared/willing to be in a relationship, but I told him I understood and to take time to think about what he wanted/needed. A week passed and he decided to try because we were 'perfect for each other' and well... we stayed together, then broke up, talked about attachment styles, then got back together again after a month and here we are, loving each other and trying to create that couple's bubble that we need if we want a happy, lasting relationship. This time I had more insight on attachment and I knew where he was coming from and my own fears (and we trusted each other enough to just talk frankly about things), we talked about attachment and love, more about his past, him feeling ready to be vulnerable and have a relationship, we being compatible in so many ways... I used to think that if a man didn't want a relationship is because he's not that into you... but I now can see maybe some people need more time to decide/the struggles of attachment. He talked about what he wanted in his life and from me, asked for another oportunity, and I told him what I expected from a relationship at this moment and in the future. So it went really good (and now that I think of it, I had this conversation at our favorite bar listening to sweet jazz music). So what I'm trying to say is stay calm, engage and be clear but let him talk. With all the insight you know I'm sure you'll handle well the outcome! I think it's good to have casual relationships if that's what you enjoy and it's great that you experiment your sexuality having those experiences made me understand myself in a very primal level. Also, thanks everybody for the comments, it's insightful to know how you all prefer to do and act while talking about something like this How nice to hear your experience! I am also feeling confident, not confident like if I know his answer but confident like it’s so good to know things. I am not afraid of getting rejected, of course it will be sad but knowing is better than not knowing and yes I will be able to plan my life a little better and it is awesome!
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Post by lilyg on Sept 12, 2018 16:00:15 GMT
How nice to hear your experience! I am also feeling confident, not confident like if I know his answer but confident like it’s so good to know things. I am not afraid of getting rejected, of course it will be sad but knowing is better than not knowing and yes I will be able to plan my life a little better and it is awesome! Well, then you are going with a much better attitude than me (I SO learned something very important) Godspeed!
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Post by happyidiot on Sept 12, 2018 16:38:25 GMT
any time i enter an ongoing sexual relationship its with the clear expectation that i'm not sharing myself with other men and don't tolerate sharing a sexual partner with other women. I just don't do that, even casually. So, i put that out there from the beginning, that it's my ground rule. How do you go about putting that out there? Have you typically been friends with someone for a long time before it got physical? also, my partner and i prefer to have focused talks that don't involve an activity. I agree with this. I always had focused talks as well with my ex for anything serious. I guess I don't do well with distractions. I also much prefer direct talk without someone dancing around the issue. I like to know exactly what the person is asking and I can't stand when I feel like they are stepping around asking a direct question. It seems sometimes people think I will give a different answer if they ask it in a certain way. That's not the case for me. It just gets frustrating when I know they want to ask something but hesitate. I have no idea of this is a DA thing or not. It's just my opinion. Interesting and useful to hear you both say this. When I said I liked epicgum and lilyg 's suggestions to do it with an activity or project I was just basing that off what my psychologist had told me, what I had read and some personal experience. I am not DA of course, as you may remember I thought I was AP and have only been examining my avoidant behaviors recently, and even though FA is supposedly rare (I theorize it isn't) FA seems to be the dominant attachment style of most of my close friends and romantic partners (at least the ones who I've been really interested in/make it very far). Maybe we just attract each other. But the advice I got and read was supposedly applicable for all avoidant people. What do you think about an activity first, followed by a sit-down chat? (I agree with being direct, that's probably best for all attachment styles surely, but saw that as kind of a separate issue from doing an activity). That's funny, I personally have never willingly had unprotected sex, and I was thinking this is part of both the control freak and the avoidant in me. For the future, I only plan to have unprotected sex when we are exclusive and have both gone to get tested together, and when I know them pretty well. Looking back, typically when I want to have unprotected sex with someone has been with people who have turned out to be more avoidant than me, for whatever that's worth. Then it freaks me out because I realize I've entrusted them with my health and that it now really matters to me whether or not they're doing that with other people. None of my avoidant friends or exes, aside from one, seem to avoid unprotected sex, in fact they seem to leap into it and not really equate it with "feelings" or intimacy, but I could see how it could potentially be related to avoidance for some people, if it makes you feel closer and more intimate with someone. When I'm feeling really avoidant or unsure about someone I certainly don't want to have unprotected sex with them.
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