liz
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Post by liz on Sept 25, 2018 13:04:32 GMT
Hello everyone, this is my first post here.
Since reading up on attachment theory, I have discovered that my former boyfriend might be a DA.
When we first started seeing each other, sparks flew and he spoke to me and texted me often even though we live in two cities 2 hours by train. He has an apartment in my city but he seldom visits. His life is mostly around his work, with a hectic travel schedule, and his former spouse and children are in another city even further away.
He has expressed feeling sexual attraction and tenderness for me, but he cannot manage to see me except periodically.
I broke up twice with him, and he seems to have kept his distance.
Recently, I seeked his help about something, and he was very warm and helped me. He then said we had a "real relationship" despite it not working out for good reasons on both sides, I needed him to spend more time with me and he couldn't.
We haven't dated other people since our break up.
He has since kept a bit aloof.
I find that I still have feelings for him, and am willing to work it out with his schedule.
However, i need to know if he might have moved on since there were two break-ups, and if I should move on instead?
Thanks in advance to all the DAs and everyone who has a good take on the situation.
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Post by stayhappy on Sept 25, 2018 14:13:35 GMT
Why not ask him? 😊
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Post by lilyg on Sept 25, 2018 14:15:57 GMT
Hi, Welcome Although I'm not DA, I'm dating someone that has avoidant tendencies and we broke up too before working this out (we're currently in a relationship enjoying our time together and building intimacy and resources to have a stronger relationship). Your relationship is fragile and you have to ask yourself why and what has to change for both of us so it can finally work out. How long have you broke up? Frankly, I would not go back to him for a third time if you don't discuss first attachment styles and reflect upon the needs of both of you. And you both need to be on the same page, willing to work it out and trust each other more than ever. We did that and now we're focusing the relationship in a very different way, and it's working beautifully for both of us. Even if he wants to date you again something big has to change so you don't break up for the third time. If not, this will happen again and the relationship will be beyond repair. I can tell you breaking up and getting back together made me anxious as you can see on my posts, so you have to try to be secure and you both have to practice very good communication to repair your trust Still, this looks like he has very limited time and it's not about attachment issues? Either way, spending too much time at work and neglecting a relationship might indicate emotional unavailability. As for moving on, well... if everything here is positive and you want to give it a shot I'd try to establish contact and see how often he contacts your/if he's flirting/wants to take you out. Me and my BF re-established contact with small friendly nudges (kinda like a very indirect approach) until it was obvious we were flirting with each other, talking all the time... so he asked me out and asked me back. Maybe you will have to do more work and start 'flirting' if you were the one who broke up with him. Maybe you'll have to ask him for a date and tell him you'd like to work things out. Maybe some avoidant posters can help you better. Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 22:03:36 GMT
Welcome to the forum. If you need to know, you should ask him. It sounds like the relationship is long distance, which I think is difficult for most couples to maintain no matter the attachment style. Either way, for it to work out, you both have to buy in to the process, which it doesn't seem like it happened in the past on either side.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 23:37:36 GMT
i agree with all the previous posters that suggest direct communication to learn how he thinks and feels about the situation. i would recommend just asking direct questions and stating your intentions and interest, and then respect what ever answer he provides.
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liz
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Post by liz on Sept 26, 2018 11:10:50 GMT
Thank you everyone for your replies. I appreciate it very much. He does want to meet again, and is being flirtatious. However, the relationship will be on his terms, he travels everywhere, with a difficult schedule, and that is something I have to accept. I will accept it if it is likely to be a stable long term relationship with plenty of space for both of us, because I'm equally smitten. My own fear is that he is so independent, and being already divorced with grown children, he is only looking for a light, sexual relationship. While I don't feel anxious about not having enough attention or assurance from him about our mutual attraction, this is the part that concerns me.
With a DA, how can one tell if the space he needs is due to his attachment style (ok with me) or if it signals he is taking it light and really doesn't want to go the distance (not ok for me)?
How does one ask without triggering DA's feeling of engulfment or insecurity?
What are the odds of an enduring long term relationship if I am quite secure myself?
Thank you again, you are such a helpful group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 13:03:01 GMT
the point here is not to tippytoe around his insecurity in order to not trigger him. you must determine your own needs for communication, authenticity, and clarity. then, approach him like you would any reasonable person/ ask the questions you have and accept the answers you are given. if you have a struggle with this and would compromise your approach or needs for clear and honest communication in order to avoid triggering him i would question your level of emotional security.
if he can meet you on your level with communication, great. if he can't or isn't willing, you can't limp him along. you can let him step up if he wants to be with you.
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Post by lilyg on Sept 26, 2018 14:57:08 GMT
Everyone is telling you to talk to him about it. If you feel he might feel avoidant you can talk to him about attachment styles and he can connect the dots. But frankly, I wouldn't go back to an ex if you cannot talk about these things with him in an honest but kind way. You have already made some rapport with him and had a 'real relationship' so you have to at least manage an honest conversation about it. It's not about talking on how he is distant and displaying avoidant attitudes, but about how he feels about closeness and you, and what is he looking for (sexual companionship or a stable long term relationship like you want). You'll have more talks about emotions if you decide to try again, so why not start now? If he's not really sure, you can state your own feelings and needs, listen him and give him time to process and think about it while you go live your best life in the meantime. This is the only way you'll know. If it's long distance and is the second round, I'd talk about how are you planning to end the distance in the future. It might be scary to think about it now but... LDR are so hard all in themselves! The golden rule is: don't try to manipulate an outcome. Be honest and respect him. Accept his words, think about your reality, lead with security and relief. I understand your fear a lot, believe me. I've been there and it's scary to think that one 'bad talk' can drive him away forever. But the best outcomes we all have is when we open up and we are true to ourselves and honour our feelings. When you don't talk about these things it's when the relationship drifts away and ends. If you need to know more about avoidance and how to react secure with someone struggling anne12 has an amazing post about it: jebkinnisonforum.com/thread/1071/healing-avoidant-da-attatchmentstyleBTW, take this time to focus on you also, on why are you feeling nervous talking to him about it. I understand is something scary/uncomfortable but sometimes you see other things are going on inside you. If you focus on those things too, it can help you take better decisions for yourself and your relationships. Since I've been here I've been focusing on myself and I've been developing a lor of tools to manage myself better in emotional situations Cheers!
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Post by liz on Sept 27, 2018 15:20:29 GMT
Thank you all! The list provided by lilyg is spot on. He just complained today how he seems to attract women who want him to care about their problems. Classic DA, i am enjoying ticking the list. It is good that we are seeing each other again, and getting to know each other more as friends than lovers. I like how this is going. Thank you for the insight!
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Post by liz on Sept 30, 2018 16:28:34 GMT
This site is really an eye-opener. Thank you for the contribution to understanding the various types. I've been reading the threads to understand DA style better. I am unsure if I'm ready for a relationship with a DA, I don't know if I can get used to and accept the long time and distance of contact. One question I have - when the DA met you casually for an hour on Thursday before rushing off to another city, and later you thanked him for the breakfast, he texted back "Thank you for the shared moment, have a great weekend!" does this imply that you should not contact him in any way until after the weekend? How do you know how much "space" he needs between seeing you and speaking to you? I don't know if this has been answered, apologies if I've missed it. I haven't seen any threads about the space and time that DAs need before feeling suffocated or triggered. I understand it may be different for different DAs, but am I reading it right that he doesn't want to hear from me for the next 4 days? I am beginning to feel as if it will be difficult as I don't seem to be able to gauge or read his needs. With a secure, I usually text once or twice a day if we are seeing each other, before we go exclusive.
I really like him, and I feel the mutual attraction. If he genuinely wants to find a partner and if I can make it work, I'll try my very best. How would he react if I tell him my needs, eg. to telephone me at least once a day? Will he negotiate or will he say "That's too much, sorry."
I know I should ask him directly, but I would like to hear how this will sound like or feel to him before I ask. He has complained that many women look to him as someone to share their cares with, and clearly finds it irritating. I did share some of my divorce problems with him but also listened to him when he shared his problems with his children. I liked our back and forth, with some light flirting. He is a mystery to me in so many ways, but I genuinely like him.
Thanks in advance for any help!
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Post by andy on Sept 30, 2018 19:39:30 GMT
This site is really an eye-opener. Thank you for the contribution to understanding the various types. I've been reading the threads to understand DA style better. I am unsure if I'm ready for a relationship with a DA, I don't know if I can get used to and accept the long time and distance of contact. One question I have - when the DA met you casually for an hour on Thursday before rushing off to another city, and later you thanked him for the breakfast, he texted back "Thank you for the shared moment, have a great weekend!" does this imply that you should not contact him in any way until after the weekend? How do you know how much "space" he needs between seeing you and speaking to you? I don't know if this has been answered, apologies if I've missed it. I haven't seen any threads about the space and time that DAs need before feeling suffocated or triggered. I understand it may be different for different DAs, but am I reading it right that he doesn't want to hear from me for the next 4 days? I am beginning to feel as if it will be difficult as I don't seem to be able to gauge or read his needs. With a secure, I usually text once or twice a day if we are seeing each other, before we go exclusive.
I really like him, and I feel the mutual attraction. If he genuinely wants to find a partner and if I can make it work, I'll try my very best. How would he react if I tell him my needs, eg. to telephone me at least once a day? Will he negotiate or will he say "That's too much, sorry."
I know I should ask him directly, but I would like to hear how this will sound like or feel to him before I ask. He has complained that many women look to him as someone to share their cares with, and clearly finds it irritating. I did share some of my divorce problems with him but also listened to him when he shared his problems with his children. I liked our back and forth, with some light flirting. He is a mystery to me in so many ways, but I genuinely like him.
Thanks in advance for any help! From my own experience, I would really caution you against trying to analyze his texts and get advice from other people to guess what he might be thinking. Mindreading never brought any two people closer together or provided solid information on which to base relationship decisions. It is so easy to get pulled into an anxious mode of relating where you feel you're walking on eggshells to avoid crossing some boundary you imagine he has - that's what I did in a past relationship and it wasn't good for anyone. Instead, I think it is possible to check in with him about it in person later, in a low-key way. "Hey, when you say 'Have a great weekend,'I find myself wondering whether that means you prefer not to be in touch until after the weekend. I usually like to text back and forth daily when I'm dating someone. What's your preference around it?" Then you will know exactly what he wants OR you will know that he's not able/willing to talk it through with you - both of which would be revealing and helpful. Good luck to you! I know it can be really hard to communicate directly when our every instinct may be urging us not to.
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Post by liz on Oct 2, 2018 19:16:09 GMT
Thanks andy, excellent points made, and you're right. It is not a good sign if I feel like walking on eggshells around him. I sent him a light-hearted message yesterday, joking that I'm stuck with something I have procrastinated on and asking him if he has encouragement or reward for me to motivate me, thinking I'd love for him to text back or call. He waited a day and sent a short and curt reply. I'm having flashback to how I was always waiting around for him, and I really don't want this anymore. Things won't change, it'll always be this uncertainty. So I've decided to fade away, won't contact him anymore. Hope to meet a secure someday!
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Post by ocarina on Oct 2, 2018 20:10:21 GMT
the point here is not to tippytoe around his insecurity in order to not trigger him. you must determine your own needs for communication, authenticity, and clarity. then, approach him like you would any reasonable person/ ask the questions you have and accept the answers you are given. if you have a struggle with this and would compromise your approach or needs for clear and honest communication in order to avoid triggering him i would question your level of emotional security. if he can meet you on your level with communication, great. if he can't or isn't willing, you can't limp him along. you can let him step up if he wants to be with you. Great reply - absolutely no tip toeing!
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liz
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Post by liz on Oct 3, 2018 7:44:34 GMT
Thank you all for helping me to clarify my thoughts. It's not easy to fall out of an infatuation, especially with him, so I've got some work to do. I'm learning quite a lot from the exchanges here, keep up the good work and best of luck on your love journey!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 2:45:59 GMT
the point here is not to tippytoe around his insecurity in order to not trigger him. you must determine your own needs for communication, authenticity, and clarity. then, approach him like you would any reasonable person/ ask the questions you have and accept the answers you are given. if you have a struggle with this and would compromise your approach or needs for clear and honest communication in order to avoid triggering him i would question your level of emotional security. if he can meet you on your level with communication, great. if he can't or isn't willing, you can't limp him along. you can let him step up if he wants to be with you. I'm an AP. This is SO on the spot. for me, the anxious tendencies get really triggered because I'm trying to accommodate his insecurities while trying to meet mine (but they're essentially competing) and when I don't see him trying harder or succeeding in meeting my needs, I feel even more disappointed and insecure. It's just a constant cycle of trying to take care of everyone's needs while subsuming mine, which makes me feel like I'm unimportant and un-taken care of.
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