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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 22:44:22 GMT
I had this realization today that I fear committing to a partner because I don't trust myself to choose a good partner. I always wondered why it was so easy to make commitments in other areas of my life. I don't fear commitment in those areas, and I don't fear losing my freedom. Everything else in my life is a long standing commitment and it's not scary at all.
I always thought the fear was tied to losing my freedom, but freedom to do what? I don't think it has anything to do with that. I fear making a wrong choice, which I don't think is the same. All my life I have made bad choice with men, so I guess it's self fulfilling?
What do you all think? Is your fear of commitment because you fear losing freedom or something else?
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 29, 2018 23:11:40 GMT
I have felt the same way, ultimately trust in others and trust in self are interconnected.
Do you trust your ability to choose a good partner? Do you trust your ability to walk away from abuse? Do you trust your ability to ask for what you want?
Personally, I have not chosen bad men for anything serious, but I did dodge a few bullets and wonder if some guys might hide their bad until commitment. Or even if someone is not evil, worry about being stuck with someone who suddenly gets economic issues or can't have sex anymore or falls seriously ill and then losing all the safety I have for myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 2:37:50 GMT
yes @mary, that has been my struggle with commitment. my radar has been very flawed all my life due to the toxic environment i grew up in, and i just could not seem to get it right. i couldn't see the train coming until i got plowed by it. of the years of work and especially the last couple years of getting to know, understand, and honor my feelings, have i been able to identify and avoid abusive or disrespectful partners.
so, my confidence in my ability to understand what's good for me in a partner, and choose accordingly, is much higher.
i don't feel that old fear, if i do it's more like an old trigger feeling and not a pervasive thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 16:17:54 GMT
I have felt the same way, ultimately trust in others and trust in self are interconnected. Do you trust your ability to choose a good partner? Do you trust your ability to walk away from abuse? Do you trust your ability to ask for what you want? Personally, I have not chosen bad men for anything serious, but I did dodge a few bullets and wonder if some guys might hide their bad until commitment. Or even if someone is not evil, worry about being stuck with someone who suddenly gets economic issues or can't have sex anymore or falls seriously ill and then losing all the safety I have for myself. Yes! Well I don't have a good track record, so no wonder why I don't trust myself. I don't know if they show their bad after commitment, but they have sure shown it after the breakup.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 16:22:27 GMT
yes @mary , that has been my struggle with commitment. my radar has been very flawed all my life due to the toxic environment i grew up in, and i just could not seem to get it right. i couldn't see the train coming until i got plowed by it. of the years of work and especially the last couple years of getting to know, understand, and honor my feelings, have i been able to identify and avoid abusive or disrespectful partners. so, my confidence in my ability to understand what's good for me in a partner, and choose accordingly, is much higher. i don't feel that old fear, if i do it's more like an old trigger feeling and not a pervasive thing. Yes, I have to work on my radar. How were you able to identify or understand the feelings? I'm just blinded by the light. I know I am choosing based on my "role models" but how do you see it before it's too late?
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Post by liz on Sept 30, 2018 16:42:59 GMT
This is an interesting thread. Although I'm a secure, I too fear rushing into commitment with a wrong person because I was married to a very abusive man. I fear that I'm a poor judge of character. How could I have married, stayed and endured such horrors? This fear might be universal for those of us who have made bad choices in love.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 17:06:52 GMT
yes @mary , that has been my struggle with commitment. my radar has been very flawed all my life due to the toxic environment i grew up in, and i just could not seem to get it right. i couldn't see the train coming until i got plowed by it. of the years of work and especially the last couple years of getting to know, understand, and honor my feelings, have i been able to identify and avoid abusive or disrespectful partners. so, my confidence in my ability to understand what's good for me in a partner, and choose accordingly, is much higher. i don't feel that old fear, if i do it's more like an old trigger feeling and not a pervasive thing. Yes, I have to work on my radar. How were you able to identify or understand the feelings? I'm just blinded by the light. I know I am choosing based on my "role models" but how do you see it before it's too late? honestly, i had to take a very rudimentary approach and learn more about feelings, the different nuances of emotion- like the list of emotions i posted here in the support forum when i first got here. in conjunction, i did inner child work to identify when i had a block of pain or some negativity in me that was heavy but that i couldn't identify. the list helped me coax it out of myself, to figure out what the narrative was and how i was reliving old hurt. it was a process of actually doing some homework inside myself, and setting time and privacy aside to address feelings (which i usually feel in my body first, i think... so if i get a tightness or an ache i have to pay attention to it before i spin into coping in ways that don't address it). it's just a long process and one i try to be diligent at. but i don't always feel like feeling. trust me. lol.
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Post by goldilocks on Sept 30, 2018 17:27:37 GMT
Meditation helped me to sensitize myself to feelings. The list of emotions is good to classify the feelings. Once you can sense increasingly subtler emotions and sensations, and classify them with increasing discrimination, you can find patterns.
Maybe a clenching of the throat and intense fear is correlated with oppressive men, or cramps in the gut can be common when dealing with men who cannot love. And maybe a relaxed, open feeling is a sign of a trustworthy man.
Blind trust is not the goal, but earthy grounded trust is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 17:37:22 GMT
for me, it also goes beyond being able to sense a dangerous person, and into how i am habitually responding, internally. what does my little juniper think she needs to do? placate? tolerate? smooth over? mediate? convince someone that it doesn't need to be this way? is she somehow bound to stay out of an obligation? does she just feel like it's part of the package?
and what are my reflexive actions? go toe to toe?
over time i was able to identify things that kept me stuck in he pattern.
nowadays, when i meet a mean person, i just say "uh nope" and there is no hook. i know it's bad because it feels bad and mean behavior is not my problem to work with. i don't have any need to sort that stuff out i just like to go away from it, as it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 2:35:26 GMT
hi, I'm an AP in general, and recently broke up with my DA, very messy process. But in that process, I realized that I'm also fearful of commitment, and fearful of trusting romantic partners to be there for a long time and fearful that i'm not picking the right person who will be as committed as i am. I just don't really think that people stay around for a long time based on my experience. I don't like alot of change in terms of social support, and what I find is that when I get used to people being around, they don't necessarily stick around (for whatever reason, not always bad) and that is very disruptive to my life. It feels like i cannot rely on people at all. this prevents me from truly committing to someone.. the idea that i'll get used to building a life with someone for that person to just.. walk away from it is frankly just exhausting. maybe that's why i pick unavailable partners, because then the actual threat of walking away isn't real, because they were never there to start with!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 13:51:05 GMT
hi, I'm an AP in general, and recently broke up with my DA, very messy process. But in that process, I realized that I'm also fearful of commitment, and fearful of trusting romantic partners to be there for a long time and fearful that i'm not picking the right person who will be as committed as i am. I just don't really think that people stay around for a long time based on my experience. I don't like alot of change in terms of social support, and what I find is that when I get used to people being around, they don't necessarily stick around (for whatever reason, not always bad) and that is very disruptive to my life. It feels like i cannot rely on people at all. this prevents me from truly committing to someone.. the idea that i'll get used to building a life with someone for that person to just.. walk away from it is frankly just exhausting. maybe that's why i pick unavailable partners, because then the actual threat of walking away isn't real, because they were never there to start with! What you are choosing is a reflection of yourself, of your own commitment, of your fear. It took me a long time to realize this. I thought the trust and commitment would just appear if I could just find someone that would be committed to me. I need to change my own thinking, trust myself, and trust that I can commit. Without that, I will keep choosing what is inside of me.
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Post by omega14 on Oct 5, 2018 17:06:21 GMT
It's an interesting question you ask, Mary. Does it depend on how we relate to the process of identification? One person may describe a 'good partner' as someone who has integrity, who is honest, who is kind, respectful, Another may describe a good partner a someone who makes them feel safe, loved, and accepted. Or do they both intertwine? I am a secure so I cannot speak specifically on fear to commitment to attachment, but I def. have felt the fear of committing to someone having my physiology and primal instincts signal danger to proximity or intimacy. It's frustrating and stressful for sure.
I know for myself, I focus on the characteristics of the individual and who they are vs. how they make me feel. This came less from attachment learning and more from general recommendations of choosing a great partner (ie: Tony Robbins, Oprah, random books on dating). Teaching myself to accept and appreciate someone without needing my feelings to validate. We all struggle with that dilemma 100%!!
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Post by happyidiot on Oct 6, 2018 1:26:34 GMT
I had this realization today that I fear committing to a partner because I don't trust myself to choose a good partner. I always wondered why it was so easy to make commitments in other areas of my life. I don't fear commitment in those areas, and I don't fear losing my freedom. Everything else in my life is a long standing commitment and it's not scary at all. I always thought the fear was tied to losing my freedom, but freedom to do what? I don't think it has anything to do with that. I fear making a wrong choice, which I don't think is the same. All my life I have made bad choice with men, so I guess it's self fulfilling? What do you all think? Is your fear of commitment because you fear losing freedom or something else? I'm FA not DA, not sure if that matters in this context, but I think for me when I fear commitment it comes in part from a fear that I will not be able to keep that commitment or will regret it. I pride myself on not making promises I can't keep. If I look at my most successful longest-lasting relationship, he didn't push for anything and we only really "committed" to communicating well and caring about each other. The biggest commitment type thing we did was live together, which was gradual and involved conversations about just trying it out and having no expectations and how we were free to decide at any point that that situation wasn't working. Like you, I also don't trust my ability to choose a good partner. As for losing freedom, yes maybe that too, since I would actually lose certain freedoms, like if someone wants me to commit early on to not dating other people I may do it but then have the weight of knowing that now if I think I might want to date anyone else I will have to end the relationship. The person I had the good long-term serious relationship I mentioned above didn't even ask me to do that. And living with someone you usually lose a ton of freedom and privacy, even just things like the freedom to come home late with no explanation. As for something like marriage, I don't know, that idea seems too ridiculous to me to even consider it, however divorce is a thing so even if I ever married someone (extremely unlikely) I would probably be like, "This doesn't mean this is permanent!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 15:26:15 GMT
It's an interesting question you ask, Mary. Does it depend on how we relate to the process of identification? One person may describe a 'good partner' as someone who has integrity, who is honest, who is kind, respectful, Another may describe a good partner a someone who makes them feel safe, loved, and accepted. Or do they both intertwine? I am a secure so I cannot speak specifically on fear to commitment to attachment, but I def. have felt the fear of committing to someone having my physiology and primal instincts signal danger to proximity or intimacy. It's frustrating and stressful for sure. I know for myself, I focus on the characteristics of the individual and who they are vs. how they make me feel. This came less from attachment learning and more from general recommendations of choosing a great partner (ie: Tony Robbins, Oprah, random books on dating). Teaching myself to accept and appreciate someone without needing my feelings to validate. We all struggle with that dilemma 100%!! I think the process of identification is likely different depending on the person, their psychology, attachment style ,etc. I have no idea, but I'm guessing it plays a part. In the past, I'm not sure how much I thought of what a good partner means or that I specifically looked for attributes that I would need. I think you make a very good point about picking partners based on who they are vs how they make you feel. I chose out of fear even if I didn't recognize the fear, so I am guilty of choosing with my feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 15:34:09 GMT
I had this realization today that I fear committing to a partner because I don't trust myself to choose a good partner. I always wondered why it was so easy to make commitments in other areas of my life. I don't fear commitment in those areas, and I don't fear losing my freedom. Everything else in my life is a long standing commitment and it's not scary at all. I always thought the fear was tied to losing my freedom, but freedom to do what? I don't think it has anything to do with that. I fear making a wrong choice, which I don't think is the same. All my life I have made bad choice with men, so I guess it's self fulfilling? What do you all think? Is your fear of commitment because you fear losing freedom or something else? I'm FA not DA, not sure if that matters in this context, but I think for me when I fear commitment it comes in part from a fear that I will not be able to keep that commitment or will regret it. I pride myself on not making promises I can't keep.If I look at my most successful longest-lasting relationship, he didn't push for anything and we only really "committed" to communicating well and caring about each other. The biggest commitment type thing we did was live together, which was gradual and involved conversations about just trying it out and having no expectations and how we were free to decide at any point that that situation wasn't working. Like you, I also don't trust my ability to choose a good partner. As for losing freedom, yes maybe that too, since I would actually lose certain freedoms, like if someone wants me to commit early on to not dating other people I may do it but then have the weight of knowing that now if I think I might want to date anyone else I will have to end the relationship. The person I had the good long-term serious relationship I mentioned above didn't even ask me to do that. And living with someone you usually lose a ton of freedom and privacy, even just things like the freedom to come home late with no explanation. As for something like marriage, I don't know, that idea seems too ridiculous to me to even consider it, however divorce is a thing so even if I ever married someone (extremely unlikely) I would probably be like, "This doesn't mean this is permanent!" I can totally relate. I too don't make commitments, If I don't think I can keep them. It's a good way of staying out of commitments for sure. Sadly, I think most people don't think of marriage as permanent anymore. Divorce is now just a way of life. Sometimes, I have this secret desire to be married, but then I think it's even too ridiculous for me to even think about it.
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