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Post by beth on Oct 26, 2018 6:53:07 GMT
Hi there. This is my first time posting. My DA is not my partner - we date exclusively (because he would never be able to be "in a relationship" with someone. I only see him once ever 4 or 5 weeks. We do not communicate often - only really when i want to meet up (every 4 or 5 weeks). Occasionally i will have a reason to contact him outside of that. The last 2 messages i sent him have gone read, but ignored. The last time we spent together was 2 weeks ago and he was very affectionate, wanting lots of long hugs (i am aware that his own desire for closeness has probably freaked him out). I messaged him the next day about an item he left at my house and he messaged back 3 days later. This does not bother me - I replied to his message and he ignored it. This also does not bother me per se, because i figured he needed some space.
What is worrying me though is that yesterday, i messaged him about something and he again has read the message and ignored it. I understand he is pulling away and deactivating (maybe this time for good). What is the best thing for me to do in this situation? Two messages in a row ignored (which he has never done) - should i send a third asking if he is ok? Or should i leave it a couple of days then ask? Particularly keen to hear from other DAs - what do you need/appreciate when at the point of thinking that is easier if you just insist on calling the whole thing off (which he has done once before when we were dating about a year ago)? I really appreciate any replies and help as i am drowning here and there is no life guard. Thank you so much!
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Post by goldilocks on Oct 26, 2018 7:27:10 GMT
I would either not worry much about it, or if you cannot keep yourself from worrying, let the guy go.
A am DA/earned secure and do sometimes read messages without answering them, and so do many other people. He may be deactivating, or just busy at work or dealing with a bunch of messages.
Are you happy with someone you only see once a month and with whom you rarely speak? To me, it sounds like deep down, you want someone that can have regular dates with and be in touch with every other day.
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Post by stayhappy on Oct 26, 2018 9:32:40 GMT
I had the same problem when I was seeing a guy who might be DA. What did I do? Well I told him that I don’t like being ignored. I also remember saying to him “I don’t know if you do that intentionally or not and it doesn’t really matter because I don’t appreciate it anyway. I like knowing things and we should not see each other anymore if you can’t compromise with giving me answers.”
Did it work? Kind of, mostly of the times.
People do have a life, I have no expectations that someone need to answer my texts right away but I can’t really buy that that someone are so busy that they just have time to answer efter 3 days. I’m most secure so even if I am really busy I’m going to take some minutes of my day to answer someone’s messages or at least let them know that I don’t have time to talk or meet for somedays.
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Post by beth on Oct 26, 2018 10:00:43 GMT
Thanks for replying Goldilocks. I guess the reason why i posted my question is because i have already determined that i don't just want to "let the guy go". And yes i am very happy with a guy i only see once a month and whom i rarely speak with - which is why i want to do what i can to keep it going and not scare him off.
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Post by beth on Oct 26, 2018 10:05:05 GMT
Thanks Stayhappy - sorry everyone i don't know how to directly reply to people's posts - or do that thing that where you copy the message of someone into your own message. Someone let me know! Your advice is interesting and it has got me thinking about whether it would be worth it to raise this issue with him. I am just figuring that because of his DA problems, it's not as though he is 'choosing' to reply 3 days later (or not at all), any more than i 'choose' to get anxious when i don't hear from him. It's just each of own anxieties showing up in different ways. And as i am currently the one who is more self aware, and aware of my attachment style, it can only be me who modifies my behaviour at this point - he cannot because he is not aware. Hmmmm i am thinking about it all
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 26, 2018 11:18:58 GMT
Thanks Stayhappy - sorry everyone i don't know how to directly reply to people's posts - or do that thing that where you copy the message of someone into your own message. Someone let me know! Your advice is interesting and it has got me thinking about whether it would be worth it to raise this issue with him. I am just figuring that because of his DA problems, it's not as though he is 'choosing' to reply 3 days later (or not at all), any more than i 'choose' to get anxious when i don't hear from him. It's just each of own anxieties showing up in different ways. And as i am currently the one who is more self aware, and aware of my attachment style, it can only be me who modifies my behaviour at this point - he cannot because he is not aware. Hmmmm i am thinking about it all Are you modifying your behavior because you want to modify it or are you accommodating him...meaning are you telling him that you are ok with things being this way when you really are not. It is a very good thing that you recognize that it is not "personal" per say...but....it may be beneficial to check in with your underlying motives to ensure you don't build up resentment down the line. We teach people how we want to be treated and as long as you are acting ok with the dynamic....he is likely to keep doing the same things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 16:24:07 GMT
Thanks Stayhappy - sorry everyone i don't know how to directly reply to people's posts - or do that thing that where you copy the message of someone into your own message. Someone let me know! Your advice is interesting and it has got me thinking about whether it would be worth it to raise this issue with him. I am just figuring that because of his DA problems, it's not as though he is 'choosing' to reply 3 days later (or not at all), any more than i 'choose' to get anxious when i don't hear from him. It's just each of own anxieties showing up in different ways. And as i am currently the one who is more self aware, and aware of my attachment style, it can only be me who modifies my behaviour at this point - he cannot because he is not aware. Hmmmm i am thinking about it all hi beth, i'm going to be frank with you. i am DA/earned secure. you have made assumptions about his level of involvement by assuming that his want for hugs meant he wanted to be close to you in such a way that would trigger deactivation in him. i don't know him, or you. But this involvement you have here is strictly casual, and it seems more likely to me that he is not answering not because he is freaked out and paralyzed by deactivation, but because communicating with you simply is not a priority. From my DA perspective, i see you creating your own narrative of what you might like to believe, which overestimates his intention here. It may be that you believe that if you limp this along, he will become more secure and respond to text messages. I really think you should try to get out of his head, and determine whether or not you are ok with being ignored because that is essentially what is happening. it's ludicrous to think that someone can't make time for a five second response after 3 days. it's also far-fetched to think this low-level engagement is enough to activate attachment defenses. its barely there. If you're happy with him, get used to how he rolls because he's showing you what he will contribute. you'll do all the initiating ( or most of it) and be ignored when you're not a priority, which is for 4-5 weeks at a time and when you text about something other than meeting up. Please don't make the mistake of projecting your own ideas on the situation. just see it as it is and focus on how and why you are adjusting yourself to a situation that feels like drowning with no life guard. My intention is not to be harsh but to provide my perspective as a DA, as you requested. i like to see all individuals, of any attachment type, understand and address any issues internal to them that block them from finding the relationship that would enhance and satisfy them. that's where the intention of this post lies.
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 26, 2018 16:32:53 GMT
Great post juniper...and a great reminder to me as well.
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Post by 8675309 on Oct 26, 2018 17:02:14 GMT
Attachment or not, he doesn’t want to talk right now. Just let him be and do you.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 26, 2018 21:59:04 GMT
Thanks Stayhappy - sorry everyone i don't know how to directly reply to people's posts - or do that thing that where you copy the message of someone into your own message. Someone let me know! Your advice is interesting and it has got me thinking about whether it would be worth it to raise this issue with him. I am just figuring that because of his DA problems, it's not as though he is 'choosing' to reply 3 days later (or not at all), any more than i 'choose' to get anxious when i don't hear from him. It's just each of own anxieties showing up in different ways. And as i am currently the one who is more self aware, and aware of my attachment style, it can only be me who modifies my behaviour at this point - he cannot because he is not aware. Hmmmm i am thinking about it all hi beth, i'm going to be frank with you. i am DA/earned secure. you have made assumptions about his level of involvement by assuming that his want for hugs meant he wanted to be close to you in such a way that would trigger deactivation in him. i don't know him, or you. But this involvement you have here is strictly casual, and it seems more likely to me that he is not answering not because he is freaked out and paralyzed by deactivation, but because communicating with you simply is not a priority. From my DA perspective, i see you creating your own narrative of what you might like to believe, which overestimates his intention here. It may be that you believe that if you limp this along, he will become more secure and respond to text messages. I really think you should try to get out of his head, and determine whether or not you are ok with being ignored because that is essentially what is happening. it's ludicrous to think that someone can't make time for a five second response after 3 days. it's also far-fetched to think this low-level engagement is enough to activate attachment defenses. its barely there. If you're happy with him, get used to how he rolls because he's showing you what he will contribute. you'll do all the initiating ( or most of it) and be ignored when you're not a priority, which is for 4-5 weeks at a time and when you text about something other than meeting up. Please don't make the mistake of projecting your own ideas on the situation. just see it as it is and focus on how and why you are adjusting yourself to a situation that feels like drowning with no life guard. My intention is not to be harsh but to provide my perspective as a DA, as you requested. i like to see all individuals, of any attachment type, understand and address any issues internal to them that block them from finding the relationship that would enhance and satisfy them. that's where the intention of this post lies. Hi beth - I agree with Juniper’s post. Not even the President is too busy to reply to a text, in fact he tweets all the time. It literally takes a few seconds to respond- he’s showing you with his actions that you are not a priority. Most likely intentionally showing you so you don’t get the wrong idea. I also wonder if you’re really ok with this casual dynamic since it bothered you enough to post about it and refer to yourself as drowning? My last observation is that if this relationship with him has always been this casual, then I doubt he’s deactivating as part of his attachment style. I’m AP and when I see a man casually- my AP ways aren’t an issue. I have no reason to fear abandonment from a person I don’t love- a person who assumes a limited part of my life. I’ve noticed a pattern in me that attachment issues surface and become a hinderace 5-6 months into a serious relationship. Serious meaning I have very deep and raw feelings for this man- he’s become my life, so to speak, we talk about getting married and I love you’s are said etc It’s at that level of attachment that my attachment trauma surfaces and I sabotage myself. Attachment aside- it seems like this guy only wants casual and is only responding (or not responding) in a way that suits him. That’s my take as an AP...
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Post by beth on Oct 27, 2018 0:11:53 GMT
Thanks tnr9 - it's interesting that everyone wants to talk about my motives for my behaviour, instead of his behaviour and what would benefit him! haha. I guess it comes with this board's territory. But in thinking about your questions - i am modifying my behaviour because i want to accommodate him yes. What i believe truly is that he will continue to do the same things REGARDLESS of whether i object to it or not (or to put it your way 'teach him how i want to be treated'). So i have the option of walking away, or try and accommodate him. It's worth it to me to change my attachment tendencies and accommodate him. As for resentment, well i don't know if that would come or not. I think what i would resent more is losing him.
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Post by epicgum on Oct 27, 2018 0:19:52 GMT
Thanks Stayhappy - sorry everyone i don't know how to directly reply to people's posts - or do that thing that where you copy the message of someone into your own message. Someone let me know! Your advice is interesting and it has got me thinking about whether it would be worth it to raise this issue with him. I am just figuring that because of his DA problems, it's not as though he is 'choosing' to reply 3 days later (or not at all), any more than i 'choose' to get anxious when i don't hear from him. It's just each of own anxieties showing up in different ways. And as i am currently the one who is more self aware, and aware of my attachment style, it can only be me who modifies my behaviour at this point - he cannot because he is not aware. Hmmmm i am thinking about it all Use the button that says "quote"
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Post by beth on Oct 27, 2018 0:22:27 GMT
hi beth, i'm going to be frank with you. i am DA/earned secure. you have made assumptions about his level of involvement by assuming that his want for hugs meant he wanted to be close to you in such a way that would trigger deactivation in him.
i don't know him, or you. But this involvement you have here is strictly casual, and it seems more likely to me that he is not answering not because he is freaked out and paralyzed by deactivation, but because communicating with you simply is not a priority.
From my DA perspective, i see you creating your own narrative of what you might like to believe, which overestimates his intention here. It may be that you believe that if you limp this along, he will become more secure and respond to text messages.
I really think you should try to get out of his head, and determine whether or not you are ok with being ignored because that is essentially what is happening. it's ludicrous to think that someone can't make time for a five second response after 3 days.
it's also far-fetched to think this low-level engagement is enough to activate attachment defenses. its barely there.
If you're happy with him, get used to how he rolls because he's showing you what he will contribute. you'll do all the initiating ( or most of it) and be ignored when you're not a priority, which is for 4-5 weeks at a time and when you text about something other than meeting up.
Please don't make the mistake of projecting your own ideas on the situation. just see it as it is and focus on how and why you are adjusting yourself to a situation that feels like drowning with no life guard.
My intention is not to be harsh but to provide my perspective as a DA, as you requested.
i like to see all individuals, of any attachment type, understand and address any issues internal to them that block them from finding the relationship that would enhance and satisfy them. that's where the intention of this post lies. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks juniper - i am certainly not creating the narrative i would like to believe - there are far nicer narratives about this situation that i could convince my of that would be nicer to believe! I am ok with being ignored in the context of understanding that some people are not as capable of replying to texts as others. When i say 'capable' of course i understand that everyone is 'capable' of replying to texts - like you said, of course anyone can take 5 seconds out of their day to reply. But the issue is, why is that some people feel more inclined/comfortable to do that, whereas others, for many reasons, feel inclined to ignore a text. I understand that i am not a priority - that is exactly the situation that i have described. What i am interested in is in continuing this level of non priority - maybe people on this board should stop projecting what THEY would prefer onto me! The 'drowning with no life guard' comment described my lack of understanding in how to keep this level of contact going. It was NOT a reflection of how i feel about this level of contact or about how to get more contact. I understand that your intention is just to provide your perspective - and i thank you for that. My intention in this reply is simply to provide my perspective on your understanding of me!
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Post by beth on Oct 27, 2018 0:30:23 GMT
hi beth , i'm going to be frank with you. i am DA/earned secure. you have made assumptions about his level of involvement by assuming that his want for hugs meant he wanted to be close to you in such a way that would trigger deactivation in him. i don't know him, or you. But this involvement you have here is strictly casual, and it seems more likely to me that he is not answering not because he is freaked out and paralyzed by deactivation, but because communicating with you simply is not a priority. From my DA perspective, i see you creating your own narrative of what you might like to believe, which overestimates his intention here. It may be that you believe that if you limp this along, he will become more secure and respond to text messages. I really think you should try to get out of his head, and determine whether or not you are ok with being ignored because that is essentially what is happening. it's ludicrous to think that someone can't make time for a five second response after 3 days. it's also far-fetched to think this low-level engagement is enough to activate attachment defenses. its barely there. If you're happy with him, get used to how he rolls because he's showing you what he will contribute. you'll do all the initiating ( or most of it) and be ignored when you're not a priority, which is for 4-5 weeks at a time and when you text about something other than meeting up. Please don't make the mistake of projecting your own ideas on the situation. just see it as it is and focus on how and why you are adjusting yourself to a situation that feels like drowning with no life guard. My intention is not to be harsh but to provide my perspective as a DA, as you requested. i like to see all individuals, of any attachment type, understand and address any issues internal to them that block them from finding the relationship that would enhance and satisfy them. that's where the intention of this post lies. Hi beth - I agree with Juniper’s post. Not even the President is too busy to reply to a text, in fact he tweets all the time. It literally takes a few seconds to respond- he’s showing you with his actions that you are not a priority. Most likely intentionally showing you so you don’t get the wrong idea. I also wonder if you’re really ok with this casual dynamic since it bothered you enough to post about it and refer to yourself as drowning? My last observation is that if this relationship with him has always been this casual, then I doubt he’s deactivating as part of his attachment style. I’m AP and when I see a man casually- my AP ways aren’t an issue. I have no reason to fear abandonment from a person I don’t love- a person who assumes a limited part of my life. I’ve noticed a pattern in me that attachment issues surface and become a hinderace 5-6 months into a serious relationship. Serious meaning I have very deep and raw feelings for this man- he’s become my life, so to speak, we talk about getting married and I love you’s are said etc It’s at that level of attachment that my attachment trauma surfaces and I sabotage myself. Attachment aside- it seems like this guy only wants casual and is only responding (or not responding) in a way that suits him. That’s my take as an AP... Thank faithopelove - I understand that i am not a priority, but i believe there is an attachment reason as to why he is keeping me a non priority. I'm thinking about how you have described that you don't believe it could be an attachment problem showing up for him here, because the level of contact is too sparse leaving no opportunity for attachment issues to surface and become a hindrance. This might be some people's experience of attachment issues, but i think any levels of feelings for another person can trigger attachment issues in SOME people, and i do believe that he has feelings for me. You are right in that he certainly does only want casual. I am just interested in continuing that going.
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Post by beth on Oct 27, 2018 0:31:19 GMT
Thanks Stayhappy - sorry everyone i don't know how to directly reply to people's posts - or do that thing that where you copy the message of someone into your own message. Someone let me know! Your advice is interesting and it has got me thinking about whether it would be worth it to raise this issue with him. I am just figuring that because of his DA problems, it's not as though he is 'choosing' to reply 3 days later (or not at all), any more than i 'choose' to get anxious when i don't hear from him. It's just each of own anxieties showing up in different ways. And as i am currently the one who is more self aware, and aware of my attachment style, it can only be me who modifies my behaviour at this point - he cannot because he is not aware. Hmmmm i am thinking about it all Use the button that says "quote" Ahhh! I did it! Thank you epicgum!
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