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Post by tnr9 on Nov 3, 2018 13:56:47 GMT
Yes, I guess in my case never hearing “I love you” growing up translated into me not loving myself. On to better days! Thank you 💗 you inspire me!! All. Of. This!!!! I am also finding at the core I need to find love and trust in myself. Finding a little strength and courage to believe im enough just as I am. I like to think here- avoidants can help the anxious where they shine, help see where the distortions are and vice versa. It’s so helpful. I truly do believe we can help each other as long as we are willing to be open to a message that may be different from what we want to hear. That requires a lot of awareness that I may be reading something from a different lens then how it was intended.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 14:18:37 GMT
wow, this is so beautiful. i didn't experience love in my family of origin either, but i went the dismissive way. it's the same core issue- we didn't feel safe, we didn't feel loved, cherished, protected, important. over the years i've done a lot to heal that up, but the last couple of learning about and understanding dismissive attachment has been so powerful. i can say, that i love myself and feel a great affection for myself and others. i feel safe, loved, and cherished now. and the relationship i have found is reflecting those things back to me, it's a new experience and i want to encourage you to keep going and enjoy this journey as much as you can, it's really precious even if it's difficult at times. Yes, I guess in my case never hearing “I love you” growing up translated into me not loving myself. On to better days! Thank you 💗 you inspire me!! i heard "i love you" from a woman who had some sort of disorder and was intentionally cruel to me in ways that cost me huge chunks of my life. it's been hard to learn to trust. but i'm there- my internal radar is strong and accurate. i trust myself, to be able to choose what's safe and appropriate for me. when i do deactivate (which hasn't happened in this new relationship, i think because it's just calm and consistent and friendly and amazing) i'm able to reach out to my fellow humans and ask for help, and this board was the first place i could do that. and it's still my go- to first. and, be inspired! i don't say that from a superior mindset. I'm saying, i was inspired by the stupid articles on the internet that i suggested i could work toward secure by doing certain things. The information that anne12 has posted for understanding and healing attachment styles has been PRICELESS. PRICELESS!! Life changing! I happen to have taken that hope very very seriously over the last two years or so- the hope that if i consistently do what is suggested to me to do, i could actually heal and transform things in myself that kept me from being a part of what i really do want- intimacy, safety, love that heals and feels good, a team. a real partnership. That advice came from other humans.... people who could lead the way for me. Get this- this avoidant followed. that was an act of trust and openness and it paid off big time for me. I am currently enjoying the warmth of a really beautiful man who ticks all my boxes so far in how he treats me and how i feel around him. it's not all crazy and intense, it's EASY. we have the same idea and the same capacity to realize our vision for what we want this to look like. SO FAR SO EASY. I've been reading about sparks and attraction here lately. i used to really struggle with that also. This man, i wouldn't have picked him out of a lineup of potential suitors, he's not my "type". haha!! or he wasn't until he demonstrated to me every day so far his loving presence, leadership, commitment to being a good friend and partner to me, and his genuine constant care for my personal well being. You know what this means? and for me to say this, as a high sex drive avoidant who isn't ashamed to say she goes after what she wants.... i want this man. he's HOT to me. Hot in a comfortable, sexy, easy and authentic way. This matters. I WANT him and i HAVE him. those two things are really cool when they EXIST TOGETHER. lol!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 14:24:02 GMT
All. Of. This!!!! I am also finding at the core I need to find love and trust in myself. Finding a little strength and courage to believe im enough just as I am. I like to think here- avoidants can help the anxious where they shine, help see where the distortions are and vice versa. It’s so helpful. I truly do believe we can help each other as long as we are willing to be open to a message that may be different from what we want to hear. That requires a lot of awareness that I may be reading something from a different lens then how it was intended. i think we really can help each other. as for me, IRL the AP warmth and movement toward relationship has been a real blessing that facilitates what i have going right now.... our styles, when influenced by a healthy degree of security, can provide a shared experience that's rich. and i see it the same on the boards. we are at varying levels of healing and security, but the interactional sweetness of the AP approach impacts me. i (try to) carry it out into my real life and relationships to try to emulate it because it's a facet of mine that's underdeveloped, and i'm a work in progress. i have a lot of internal sweetness that doesn't present strongly in interaction as much as i'd like. you guys are a good example .
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 3, 2018 15:04:21 GMT
I truly do believe we can help each other as long as we are willing to be open to a message that may be different from what we want to hear. That requires a lot of awareness that I may be reading something from a different lens then how it was intended. i think we really can help each other. as for me, IRL the AP warmth and movement toward relationship has been a real blessing that facilitates what i have going right now.... our styles, when influenced by a healthy degree of security, can provide a shared experience that's rich. and i see it the same on the boards. we are at varying levels of healing and security, but the interactional sweetness of the AP approach impacts me. i (try to) carry it out into my real life and relationships to try to emulate it because it's a facet of mine that's underdeveloped, and i'm a work in progress. i have a lot of internal sweetness that doesn't present strongly in interaction as much as i'd like. you guys are a good example . I’ve seen a sweet side to Juni!! 💗💗
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 3, 2018 15:08:36 GMT
Yes, I guess in my case never hearing “I love you” growing up translated into me not loving myself. On to better days! Thank you 💗 you inspire me!! i heard "i love you" from a woman who had some sort of disorder and was intentionally cruel to me in ways that cost me huge chunks of my life. it's been hard to learn to trust. but i'm there- my internal radar is strong and accurate. i trust myself, to be able to choose what's safe and appropriate for me. when i do deactivate (which hasn't happened in this new relationship, i think because it's just calm and consistent and friendly and amazing) i'm able to reach out to my fellow humans and ask for help, and this board was the first place i could do that. and it's still my go- to first. and, be inspired! i don't say that from a superior mindset. I'm saying, i was inspired by the stupid articles on the internet that i suggested i could work toward secure by doing certain things. The information that anne12 has posted for understanding and healing attachment styles has been PRICELESS. PRICELESS!! Life changing! I happen to have taken that hope very very seriously over the last two years or so- the hope that if i consistently do what is suggested to me to do, i could actually heal and transform things in myself that kept me from being a part of what i really do want- intimacy, safety, love that heals and feels good, a team. a real partnership. That advice came from other humans.... people who could lead the way for me. Get this- this avoidant followed. that was an act of trust and openness and it paid off big time for me. I am currently enjoying the warmth of a really beautiful man who ticks all my boxes so far in how he treats me and how i feel around him. it's not all crazy and intense, it's EASY. we have the same idea and the same capacity to realize our vision for what we want this to look like. SO FAR SO EASY. I've been reading about sparks and attraction here lately. i used to really struggle with that also. This man, i wouldn't have picked him out of a lineup of potential suitors, he's not my "type". haha!! or he wasn't until he demonstrated to me every day so far his loving presence, leadership, commitment to being a good friend and partner to me, and his genuine constant care for my personal well being. You know what this means? and for me to say this, as a high sex drive avoidant who isn't ashamed to say she goes after what she wants.... i want this man. he's HOT to me. Hot in a comfortable, sexy, easy and authentic way. This matters. I WANT him and i HAVE him. those two things are really cool when they EXIST TOGETHER. lol!!! All wonderful and beautiful about the help of your fellow humans in your transition to secure and the attraction to your new man! All that work is paying off!! Yesss!! 💗
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 15:15:56 GMT
Yes, I guess in my case never hearing “I love you” growing up translated into me not loving myself. On to better days! Thank you 💗 you inspire me!! i heard "i love you" from a woman who had some sort of disorder and was intentionally cruel to me in ways that cost me huge chunks of my life. it's been hard to learn to trust. but i'm there- my internal radar is strong and accurate. i trust myself, to be able to choose what's safe and appropriate for me. when i do deactivate (which hasn't happened in this new relationship, i think because it's just calm and consistent and friendly and amazing) i'm able to reach out to my fellow humans and ask for help, and this board was the first place i could do that. and it's still my go- to first. and, be inspired! i don't say that from a superior mindset. I'm saying, i was inspired by the stupid articles on the internet that i suggested i could work toward secure by doing certain things. The information that anne12 has posted for understanding and healing attachment styles has been PRICELESS. PRICELESS!! Life changing! I happen to have taken that hope very very seriously over the last two years or so- the hope that if i consistently do what is suggested to me to do, i could actually heal and transform things in myself that kept me from being a part of what i really do want- intimacy, safety, love that heals and feels good, a team. a real partnership. That advice came from other humans.... people who could lead the way for me. Get this- this avoidant followed. that was an act of trust and openness and it paid off big time for me. I am currently enjoying the warmth of a really beautiful man who ticks all my boxes so far in how he treats me and how i feel around him. it's not all crazy and intense, it's EASY. we have the same idea and the same capacity to realize our vision for what we want this to look like. SO FAR SO EASY. I've been reading about sparks and attraction here lately. i used to really struggle with that also. This man, i wouldn't have picked him out of a lineup of potential suitors, he's not my "type". haha!! or he wasn't until he demonstrated to me every day so far his loving presence, leadership, commitment to being a good friend and partner to me, and his genuine constant care for my personal well being. You know what this means? and for me to say this, as a high sex drive avoidant who isn't ashamed to say she goes after what she wants.... i want this man. he's HOT to me. Hot in a comfortable, sexy, easy and authentic way. This matters. I WANT him and i HAVE him. those two things are really cool when they EXIST TOGETHER. lol!!! I love this! It makes me feel full of hope. I'm 25, and luckily I have never wanted children, but lately I've felt the tension of needing to slow down and focus on my healing and be uninvolved romantically so that's what I have done, but also carry this fear that all the secure people will be taken by the time I'm done. I love hearing that it isn't the case, as some attachment sources do hammer on the urgency of finding a secure before the insecures swell up the dating pool aha
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 15:48:16 GMT
i think we really can help each other. as for me, IRL the AP warmth and movement toward relationship has been a real blessing that facilitates what i have going right now.... our styles, when influenced by a healthy degree of security, can provide a shared experience that's rich. and i see it the same on the boards. we are at varying levels of healing and security, but the interactional sweetness of the AP approach impacts me. i (try to) carry it out into my real life and relationships to try to emulate it because it's a facet of mine that's underdeveloped, and i'm a work in progress. i have a lot of internal sweetness that doesn't present strongly in interaction as much as i'd like. you guys are a good example . I’ve seen a sweet side to Juni!! 💗💗 it's easier to see and more easily expressed by me, in person. i promise! 😬 thank you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 15:49:50 GMT
i heard "i love you" from a woman who had some sort of disorder and was intentionally cruel to me in ways that cost me huge chunks of my life. it's been hard to learn to trust. but i'm there- my internal radar is strong and accurate. i trust myself, to be able to choose what's safe and appropriate for me. when i do deactivate (which hasn't happened in this new relationship, i think because it's just calm and consistent and friendly and amazing) i'm able to reach out to my fellow humans and ask for help, and this board was the first place i could do that. and it's still my go- to first. and, be inspired! i don't say that from a superior mindset. I'm saying, i was inspired by the stupid articles on the internet that i suggested i could work toward secure by doing certain things. The information that anne12 has posted for understanding and healing attachment styles has been PRICELESS. PRICELESS!! Life changing! I happen to have taken that hope very very seriously over the last two years or so- the hope that if i consistently do what is suggested to me to do, i could actually heal and transform things in myself that kept me from being a part of what i really do want- intimacy, safety, love that heals and feels good, a team. a real partnership. That advice came from other humans.... people who could lead the way for me. Get this- this avoidant followed. that was an act of trust and openness and it paid off big time for me. I am currently enjoying the warmth of a really beautiful man who ticks all my boxes so far in how he treats me and how i feel around him. it's not all crazy and intense, it's EASY. we have the same idea and the same capacity to realize our vision for what we want this to look like. SO FAR SO EASY. I've been reading about sparks and attraction here lately. i used to really struggle with that also. This man, i wouldn't have picked him out of a lineup of potential suitors, he's not my "type". haha!! or he wasn't until he demonstrated to me every day so far his loving presence, leadership, commitment to being a good friend and partner to me, and his genuine constant care for my personal well being. You know what this means? and for me to say this, as a high sex drive avoidant who isn't ashamed to say she goes after what she wants.... i want this man. he's HOT to me. Hot in a comfortable, sexy, easy and authentic way. This matters. I WANT him and i HAVE him. those two things are really cool when they EXIST TOGETHER. lol!!! I love this! It makes me feel full of hope. I'm 25, and luckily I have never wanted children, but lately I've felt the tension of needing to slow down and focus on my healing and be uninvolved romantically so that's what I have done, but also carry this fear that all the secure people will be taken by the time I'm done. I love hearing that it isn't the case, as some attachment sources do hammer on the urgency of finding a secure before the insecures swell up the dating pool aha i feel comfortable saying i guarantee life itself will meet you where you're at when you're ready and you will be blessed beyond what seems possible right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 16:18:31 GMT
I admit I didn't read everything and I might be off topic but I'd like to chime in to say:
In my opinion, as much as I agree that it's a person's personal decision whether they should work on their attachment or not, that this work has to be done by themselves and that you should leave a relationship that isn't working, I also think that when you enter a relationship or a friendship you create a "union" with another person that has certain responsibilities.
The dismissive approach of DAs make them look more put together and as if they aren't crossing any boundaries, they just mind their own business. It's the crazy APs who try to change them to get their own needs met. But DAs dismiss one thing, they agreed to join that union, while still thinking they can be independent. It's not independence, it's taking without giving. It's sucking the blood from the other person till they become a burden. It's not taking responsibility for their actions because leaving is often flighting.
Some DAs are smarter and avoid labels to avoid those responsibilities but they're still taking. They're still trying to get their needs met while pretending they have non.
If one claims they don't want intimacy or a relationship they shouldn't seek it. They do, or they wouldn't have found themselves in those situations but they often dismiss they took part in it.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I don't mean to attack anyone, it's just a different perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 16:26:34 GMT
I admit I didn't read everything and I might be off topic but I'd like to chime in to say: In my opinion, as much as I agree that it's a person's personal decision whether they should work on their attachment or not, that this work has to be done by themselves and that you should leave a relationship that isn't working, I also think that when you enter a relationship or a friendship you create a "union" with another person that has certain responsibilities. The dismissive approach of DAs make them look more put together and as if they aren't crossing any boundaries, they just mind their own business. It's the crazy APs who try to change them to get their own needs met. But DAs dismiss one thing, they agreed to join that union, while still thinking they can be independent. It's not independence, it's taking without giving. It's sucking the blood from the other person till they become a burden. It's not taking responsibility for their actions because leaving is often flighting. Some DAs are smarter and avoid labels to avoid those responsibilities but they're still taking. They're still trying to get their needs met while pretending they have non. If one claims they don't want intimacy or a relationship they shouldn't seek it. They do, or they wouldn't have found themselves in those situations but they often dismiss they took part in it. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I don't mean to attack anyone, it's just a different perspective. I'm tense reading this with the "sucking the blood from another person". I'm sure DAs feel their energy is sucked too and I'm sure neither party expected it to go that way, but it's unconsciously driven. I think we're aware of our really crummy parts... both deactivation and activation are painful for both parties. It's not a case that one is less dysfunctional, I mean they are both two different sides of the same coin in that way. Painful for everyone
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 16:36:27 GMT
I admit I didn't read everything and I might be off topic but I'd like to chime in to say: In my opinion, as much as I agree that it's a person's personal decision whether they should work on their attachment or not, that this work has to be done by themselves and that you should leave a relationship that isn't working, I also think that when you enter a relationship or a friendship you create a "union" with another person that has certain responsibilities. The dismissive approach of DAs make them look more put together and as if they aren't crossing any boundaries, they just mind their own business. It's the crazy APs who try to change them to get their own needs met. But DAs dismiss one thing, they agreed to join that union, while still thinking they can be independent. It's not independence, it's taking without giving. It's sucking the blood from the other person till they become a burden. It's not taking responsibility for their actions because leaving is often flighting. Some DAs are smarter and avoid labels to avoid those responsibilities but they're still taking. They're still trying to get their needs met while pretending they have non. If one claims they don't want intimacy or a relationship they shouldn't seek it. They do, or they wouldn't have found themselves in those situations but they often dismiss they took part in it. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I don't mean to attack anyone, it's just a different perspective. I'm tense reading this with the "sucking the blood from another person". I'm sure DAs feel their energy is sucked too and I'm sure neither party expected it to go that way, but it's unconsciously driven. I think we're aware of our really crummy parts... both deactivation and activation are painful for both parties. It's not a case that one is less dysfunctional, I mean they are both two different sides of the same coin in that way. Painful for everyone Of course I didn't mean they do it with premeditation. It's unawareness (combined with positive self-esteem) more than anything. I'd say they're vampires, FAs are tornadoes, APs are Donkey from Shrek (on period)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 16:42:18 GMT
I'm tense reading this with the "sucking the blood from another person". I'm sure DAs feel their energy is sucked too and I'm sure neither party expected it to go that way, but it's unconsciously driven. I think we're aware of our really crummy parts... both deactivation and activation are painful for both parties. It's not a case that one is less dysfunctional, I mean they are both two different sides of the same coin in that way. Painful for everyone Of course I didn't mean they do it with premeditation. It's unawareness (combined with positive self-esteem) more than anything. I'd say they're vampires, FAs are tornadoes, APs are Donkey from Shrek hahaha! I enjoy this new classification - Viewing myself as an Eddie Murphy voiced vampiress ass caught in a twister, yep that speaks to me on a cellular level
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 16:45:36 GMT
I'm tense reading this with the "sucking the blood from another person". I'm sure DAs feel their energy is sucked too and I'm sure neither party expected it to go that way, but it's unconsciously driven. I think we're aware of our really crummy parts... both deactivation and activation are painful for both parties. It's not a case that one is less dysfunctional, I mean they are both two different sides of the same coin in that way. Painful for everyone Of course I didn't mean they do it with premeditation. It's unawareness (combined with positive self-esteem) more than anything. I'd say they're vampires, FAs are tornadoes, APs are Donkey from Shrek (on period) the whole point , to me, is this: be responsible for yourself. no matter the style. put that first and you won't be messing up your life or anyone else's. that's the whole point, it isn't blame. i can't find another way to say this to me is about each person healing their wounds : not blame. that's all i can say about it, i can't make it any more clear.
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 3, 2018 20:22:02 GMT
Of course I didn't mean they do it with premeditation. It's unawareness (combined with positive self-esteem) more than anything. I'd say they're vampires, FAs are tornadoes, APs are Donkey from Shrek (on period) the whole point , to me, is this: be responsible for yourself. no matter the style. put that first and you won't be messing up your life or anyone else's. that's the whole point, it isn't blame. i can't find another way to say this to me is about each person healing their wounds : not blame. that's all i can say about it, i can't make it any more clear. Yes, it’s all about healing. For all insecure types. Hurt people hurt people no matter their style or method of hurting. Blaming helps no one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 20:23:26 GMT
the whole point , to me, is this: be responsible for yourself. no matter the style. put that first and you won't be messing up your life or anyone else's. that's the whole point, it isn't blame. i can't find another way to say this to me is about each person healing their wounds : not blame. that's all i can say about it, i can't make it any more clear. Yes, it’s all about healing. For all insecure types. Hurt people hurt people no matter their style or method of hurting. Blaming helps no one. Totally
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