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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 4:17:02 GMT
I've been wondering what are your signs of getting your attachment systems activated?
Just being near this avoidant friend of mine (always abit of an ambiguity vibe going on) is enough to make my body really tense and highstrung, and sometimes if I don't manage it well, it can get to this desire to touch or be touched by him (which never ever happened). I get this really keen sense of awareness of his energy and presence, and then I get very tight and tense. After that, it takes days to get the energy off and to get him off my mind. The more interactions we have, the longer that period.
I think this is an activation of my attachment system through my nervous system getting triggered. But I'm not sure! what is it like for you?
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Post by tnr9 on Nov 27, 2018 1:47:52 GMT
I've been wondering what are your signs of getting your attachment systems activated? Just being near this avoidant friend of mine (always abit of an ambiguity vibe going on) is enough to make my body really tense and highstrung, and sometimes if I don't manage it well, it can get to this desire to touch or be touched by him (which never ever happened). I get this really keen sense of awareness of his energy and presence, and then I get very tight and tense. After that, it takes days to get the energy off and to get him off my mind. The more interactions we have, the longer that period. I think this is an activation of my attachment system through my nervous system getting triggered. But I'm not sure! what is it like for you? Activation=Regression for me...an inability to stop the stories in my head or the ruminations or the need to check my text messages....I can be activated without the presence of anyone because the activation is actually within me...mine is not caused by another person....it may be elavated by what the other does....but it is not a result of that person.
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Post by 8675309 on Nov 27, 2018 12:25:53 GMT
It could just be their energy you feel and not your attachment. May be a bit of both. People with a low vibration energy tend to feed off yours, attachment or not. It can take a few days to recover from an energy change. The energies are real and its not about attachment, its energy.
I would feel my guys energy at random times, I would feel his low vibe and we are not even in contact. I get a wave of sadness/bummed feeling out of the blue and its him having a bad day or low energy that day. The waves lessen as time goes on and I actively work on cutting the energy cords.
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Post by alexandra on Nov 27, 2018 17:20:22 GMT
@shiningstar, it's a sudden flooding of my nervous system that I lose ability to override and regulate, and it really does feel that way. In the moment, my thoughts start to race, I feel anxiety in my stomach, I want comfort and reassurance (maybe verbally, maybe physically), I get overbearing if it involves a disagreement (I don't lash out, but I don't want to walk away and discuss later, I want to hash everything out right NOW in case there is no later and we never talk again). If it goes unresolved and it's conflict with someone really important to me, it can be followed by up to a week of more racing thoughts, rumination, inability to eat much, maybe a couple days of bad sleep interrupted by anxiety and waking up. It is horrible! The eating habits may not reregulate for several weeks.
Minor triggering is getting slightly uncomfortable from feeling emotional tension in the room, tension that's other people's moods and thoughts and unrelated to me.
Since earning secure, I haven't been majorly triggered, I can communicate what I'm feeling, and minor triggering is annoying but manageable. Again, being able to understand and communicate in the moment and in general what's happening is a big change that really helps. Earning secure also came with rationalizing my fear of abandonment, so it's just better all around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 23:36:06 GMT
It could just be their energy you feel and not your attachment. May be a bit of both. People with a low vibration energy tend to feed off yours, attachment or not. It can take a few days to recover from an energy change. The energies are real and its not about attachment, its energy.
I would feel my guys energy at random times, I would feel his low vibe and we are not even in contact. I get a wave of sadness/bummed feeling out of the blue and its him having a bad day or low energy that day. The waves lessen as time goes on and I actively work on cutting the energy cords.
How would you know it’s his and not yours? I’m asking because I’ve been mostly good since my break up but on some days I get these overwhelming sadness and/or low energies that come out of nowhere. I’m rarely like this and I’ve wondered if it’s connections with him but I thought maybe it’s just me dealing with breakup grief.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 23:42:49 GMT
@shiningstar, it's a sudden flooding of my nervous system that I lose ability to override and regulate, and it really does feel that way. In the moment, my thoughts start to race, I feel anxiety in my stomach, I want comfort and reassurance (maybe verbally, maybe physically), I get overbearing if it involves a disagreement (I don't lash out, but I don't want to walk away and discuss later, I want to hash everything out right NOW in case there is no later and we never talk again). If it goes unresolved and it's conflict with someone really important to me, it can be followed by up to a week of more racing thoughts, rumination, inability to eat much, maybe a couple days of bad sleep interrupted by anxiety and waking up. It is horrible! The eating habits may not reregulate for several weeks. Minor triggering is getting slightly uncomfortable from feeling emotional tension in the room, tension that's other people's moods and thoughts and unrelated to me. Since earning secure, I haven't been majorly triggered, I can communicate what I'm feeling, and minor triggering is annoying but manageable. Again, being able to understand and communicate in the moment and in general what's happening is a big change that really helps. Earning secure also came with rationalizing my fear of abandonment, so it's just better all around. I’ve mostly been minorly triggered I think, usually just being in close proximity to him. My sleeping and eating habits don’t get too disrupted unless I’m having conflicts. But I do have alot of cognitive activity like the rumination and fantasizing starts after that interaction because I’d like more but I’m not getting any. I asked to make out with the DA and got rejected! I didn’t take it personally though So I think I was secure enough not to react to it.
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Post by 8675309 on Nov 28, 2018 0:43:30 GMT
It could just be their energy you feel and not your attachment. May be a bit of both. People with a low vibration energy tend to feed off yours, attachment or not. It can take a few days to recover from an energy change. The energies are real and its not about attachment, its energy.
I would feel my guys energy at random times, I would feel his low vibe and we are not even in contact. I get a wave of sadness/bummed feeling out of the blue and its him having a bad day or low energy that day. The waves lessen as time goes on and I actively work on cutting the energy cords.
How would you know it’s his and not yours? I’m asking because I’ve been mostly good since my break up but on some days I get these overwhelming sadness and/or low energies that come out of nowhere. I’m rarely like this and I’ve wondered if it’s connections with him but I thought maybe it’s just me dealing with breakup grief. Because I know myself and how I deal with grief, etc.
That sudden bummed feeling out of nowhere is not my grief. Its like 2 in the afternoon and bam, it hits. Sometimes it lasts the rest of the day and sometimes it passes in a couple of hours.
Ive been good too so I knows its his energy. I have moments but not those moments, those are his.
All that said, sometimes it could be grief hitting, we are all different.
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Post by leavethelighton on Nov 28, 2018 0:47:54 GMT
Let's see--with biological family I get avoidant (thoughts like "I'm never sharing anything real again," "We're done," etc.) or I with my spouse I can get angry and critical (especially when it's sort of the feeling of symbolically being alone in some way and holding up the weight of the world-- like if I feel like I'm responsible for managing the house on my own while things fall into ruin and chaos).
If it's someone who triggers my AP side (and I haven't really had anyone actively in my life who does this for several years but I suppose I can sometimes trigger myself via social media stalking, reading old emails and that sort of thing)... I suppose it's a bit like obsession alternating hope and desire with distrust. I write letters to them in my head or imagine back-and-forth correspondence trying to circle around and understand things, or conversations with them in my head, all sorts of fantasies of romantic things--not necessarily sexual-- followed by fantasies of break-offs or their disappearance, kind of in an oscillating pattern that doesn't resolve itself.
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Post by leavethelighton on Nov 28, 2018 0:50:16 GMT
@shiningstar , it's a sudden flooding of my nervous system that I lose ability to override and regulate, and it really does feel that way. In the moment, my thoughts start to race, I feel anxiety in my stomach, I want comfort and reassurance (maybe verbally, maybe physically), I get overbearing if it involves a disagreement (I don't lash out, but I don't want to walk away and discuss later, I want to hash everything out right NOW in case there is no later and we never talk again). If it goes unresolved and it's conflict with someone really important to me, it can be followed by up to a week of more racing thoughts, rumination, inability to eat much, maybe a couple days of bad sleep interrupted by anxiety and waking up. It is horrible! The eating habits may not reregulate for several weeks. Minor triggering is getting slightly uncomfortable from feeling emotional tension in the room, tension that's other people's moods and thoughts and unrelated to me. Since earning secure, I haven't been majorly triggered, I can communicate what I'm feeling, and minor triggering is annoying but manageable. Again, being able to understand and communicate in the moment and in general what's happening is a big change that really helps. Earning secure also came with rationalizing my fear of abandonment, so it's just better all around.
Alexandra, what do you mean by "rationalizing my fear of abandonment"? Also, the communicate what you're feeling, how do you get better at how to phrase things when you do that-- like did you read any communication books or anything like that?
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Post by alexandra on Nov 28, 2018 1:07:08 GMT
I finally recognized and understood that any time I'm really triggered, it was always related to an underlying fear of abandonment, and explored that within myself, pieced out what might make sense about it and what didn't, and had repaired my self-confidence enough to be like a. people I care about actually don't tend to abandon me, even if we fight (and honestly, the ones who have have been insecurely attached avoidant and we were doing the dance) b. even if they do, I'm still okay. In regards to communication, resources, and other tips, I just wrote a big comment on that in this thread below, which also has a link to a second long comment I posted a few months back about earning secure from AP. jebkinnisonforum.com/thread/1559/anxious-susceptibilities?page=1#post-19922
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 1:22:12 GMT
For me I get triggered when the other person drastically and suddenly alters the affection patterns after I got attached. for me it’s a violation of trust and betrayal. I understand the lovingness decreases over time, but when it suddenly changes, for me it’s confusing and it makes me feel naive and stupid for trusting him and for thinking/believing that this is it, just to have it so violently removed. I feel used to fuflil someone else’s agenda and meeting their needs, and once that’s achieved, I get discarded. Then it pulls in the question of self worth and self esteem, but more importantly my trust in my own judgment. Clearly I must have been an idiot not to see it coming or that I thought that my reality is otherwise. Clearly I don’t have good judgment because I invested so heavily into this when all it was was just fake and fantasy bonding.
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Post by alexandra on Nov 28, 2018 1:28:51 GMT
@shiningstar, that's a good description. Also used to happen to me, too. I think this is another situation where you've got to flip the script. It's okay to have cared about someone, even if they didn't get to the same place on the same page, and most people don't just make big sudden changes like that. Usually when they do, it's far more about them than it is about you. I found it's important to depersonalize it and learn to take note of signs of insecurity and instability during the honeymoon period -- if you're anything like me, the honeymoon period had been about chasing chemistry, idealizing the partner, and trying to make sure they like you and don't leave, rather than due diligence around the readiness, maturity, and dependability you deserve (assuming you want a relationship).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 1:37:51 GMT
@shiningstar, that's a good description. Also used to happen to me, too. I think this is another situation where you've got to flip the script. It's okay to have cared about someone, even if they didn't get to the same place on the same page, and most people don't just make big sudden changes like that. Usually when they do, it's far more about them than it is about you. I found it's important to depersonalize it and learn to take note of signs of insecurity and instability during the honeymoon period -- if you're anything like me, the honeymoon period had been about chasing chemistry, idealizing the partner, and trying to make sure they like you and don't leave, rather than due diligence around the readiness, maturity, and dependability you deserve (assuming you want a relationship). Daaaaaaammmmnnnn yes. Lol. all of it you said. Even now I miss my DA but I think I miss more of the feelings than the actual rship. I don’t quite remember the bad things anymore (and it’s only been a month since we broke up!) but I force myself to remember that it wasn’t good for me when we were together whenever I am tempted to reconnect or get back. I remind myself that I need to do my work to become a better person and partner, and I haven’t done enough of it to make it a habit, not just an epiphany. Now I just state that my first priority is healthy relating and being friends, even on tinder. If that’s not their thing then byeeeee.
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Post by Lizzie on Nov 28, 2018 8:10:40 GMT
For me there is a physical reaction I feel in my stomach. And then of course I feel tears coming up. Rejection is my nemesis. When I am being or feeling rejected it takes some quiet internal processing (I am not thinking anything, I am just waiting) and then the wave comes and washes over me. It literally feels like being inside a washing machine or fighting ocean waves. Helpless. The only way to resist it is to distract. Do something that requires some concentration - work task, dishwasing, something physical, playing with a dog, talking with a kid. Some say you should observe the wave and let it pass standing still. Yes, this works, too. But being inside the washing machine feels terrible. So I usually distract (i.e. reject the wave) while I still can. It is not very mature but I sometimes just reject the rejector - "So you do not want me? Fine, you can go and f* yourself, I do not want you either." In reality I do my absolute best to avoid any kind of rejection - I have been an A student all my life, I am a perfectionist at work, I avoid situation where I am not good at something (e.g. any sports activity) etc. However, love is what I cannot control and here I am fully exposed. I have experienced so much rejection in love (from very few avoidant people, though) that lasts for a lifetime and makes up for all the other areas where I have managed to avoid rejection. My comment wasn't really useful, was it?
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Post by Lizzie on Nov 28, 2018 8:39:53 GMT
Let me just add one more thought, off topic.
The way I have tried to earn love, by being perfect - it does not work. People somehow feel the hidden agenda behind it. It is just that being rejected for being me hurts hundred times more than being rejected as a performer, an actor. And yet, I have come to understand that being the imperfect me is the only way to go even if I die doing it.
Some time ago I watched Bohemian Rhapsody (movie) and read tens of articles after. I remember when Freddie Mercury died, I was a kid then. Back then it was all about music for me. Now I suddenly saw a person. Movie itself was inaccurate in many details but after reading all these articles I saw how beautiful was this man despite the partying etc. Nobody remembered him as mean or cold or ruthless. Perhaps we are all hidden jems as people.
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