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Post by boomerang on Dec 16, 2018 13:25:37 GMT
I need help managing out-of-proportion anxiety related to over-sensitivities around rejection. I feel so stupid that I cannot manage this, it really is not warranted.
Here's what's going on. A guy I matched with online has been texting daily for two weeks. He has been consistent and fun. I have not had a lot of interest online, which has been hard to deal with confidence-wise, and only one actual date in three months, so this is nice. We were supposed to actually meet last week, but life got in the way on his end. It was not clear at that time why he was suddenly completely offline, but I was able to put it down to "there must be some logical explanation", which it was ultimately revealed there was, and take that in stride without getting activated. Progress, I thought.
Yesterday morning, he texted that he was going out of town for the weekend to a wedding. I felt it was thoughtful he told me and assumed that meant he would be offline for awhile. And he was. And I was fine! Kind of like a normal person would be. Until last night...when he was online for several hours, up until quite late--but not with me.
At first, I was fine (just assumed messaging on stuff about the wedding etc.) , but as I check again the obsessive thing starts, and I keep checking, and I start to get upset. So of course I assume he's online with some other woman, but remind myself that it could be anything --that, or a friend, or a family member, or whatever--I don't know. But couldn't quite manage it. [Had he sent me a short message in the midst of all that, I think I might have been OK--but he didn't. I did not message him.]
This morning, I could see he was online early, but nothing from him. So, I sent 4 short, light messages mid-morning (we usually send our first message around then) about what I was doing and referenced something we were joking about the other day. Not only is there no response, but he hasn't even read my messages (showing two ticks for delivered, but still grey --unread--even now, 12 hours later), and he has been online many times today --which I can see when I open whatsapp and our chat, so he hasn't blocked me or anything. So what with stupidly checking this all day, by late afternoon I was having full-on, deep-in-the-stomach anxiety. And I know this is all out of proportion! And I couldn't control it!
This is a serious problem for me. How can I explain how this is for me. It is not even rumination or conscious thought. I certainly fell into non-stop obsessive thought/analysis plus full-on continual anxiety with my DA, who I was actually in a relationship with, but in this case, I don't really have anything thought-wise/history-wise to hang a hat on. Other than that he has been online a lot last night/today and is not responding to me or reading my messages from this morning for some reason. Just stuck on that fact. My logical brain knows that I am not in a relationship with this person, that we haven't even met, that there is no investment on either side at this point--but my psyche and my body is reacting otherwise. It makes me feel a total mind/body disconnect and like an insane person.
I am coming down now after several hours or this and am kind of getting into a calmer, more accepting mindset that I just may never hear from him again, time will tell--but man, it was awful when I was in that pit-in-the-stomach physical and back-of-the-brain looping mental anxiety most of the day. And, I simply could not manage it, get to a place where I took a que sera sera attitude. I hate reacting like this shit matters so much when I know that this is really no "there" there at all at this point. We are not in a relationship! He doesn't know me yet! I don't know him yet! It's easy come, easy go--walking away/choosing another option--if that is what is happening-- really isn't personal at this point, even if I was feeling hopeful. But it sure feels like it emotionally. I certainly react --even knowing better--as if it is.
How does one manage this? Make this part of the process to secure? Rather than being just subsumed until it passes? I hated feeling like I did today....
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Post by 8675309 on Dec 16, 2018 15:03:37 GMT
You had some 'hope' and now its crushed so to speak. Ive been there but its not anxiety for me its Im just bummed out a bit, I had hope. I may wallow in it for a day or two then just keep going. I owned the feelings and moved passed them. I dont know how you can manage the anxiety but you are actually 'managing' it, you're not protesting and acting out, you're dealing with it on your own, you're recognizing it and 'owning' it. Thats a good thing. Its ok to be caught up for the day its just dont live in it for days/weeks/months which you're not. You've already calmed yourself. You're human and even secures have these moments.
Always remember we are human and no matter our attachment, we will still feel things we dont like or want to feel at times. Even when you reach secure you will still have them at times.
To add, I dont know what its like to have anxiety in general, its not an issue for me. My avoidant did bring it out though, I just had to let it pass and it did. Sure, I could not stand feeling like that but I knew it would pass. I know deep down I got this even though I was all triggered up!
Just like it has passed for you and you got yourself to a calm state. I think part of its I hate what Im feeling today but I got this and it will pass. Tomorrow is a new calm day. That helped calm me when he triggered me.
Also you still had rational thought during this time instead of letting it rule you pushing away rational thoughts during this state, you handled business even though you hated how you felt. For an insecure type I see this as big progress, you stayed rational and calmed yourself without doing anything cray! haha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:22:34 GMT
I need help managing out-of-proportion anxiety related to over-sensitivities around rejection. I feel so stupid that I cannot manage this, it really is not warranted.
Here's what's going on. A guy I matched with online has been texting daily for two weeks. He has been consistent and fun. I have not had a lot of interest online, which has been hard to deal with confidence-wise, and only one actual date in three months, so this is nice. We were supposed to actually meet last week, but life got in the way on his end. It was not clear at that time why he was suddenly completely offline, but I was able to put it down to "there must be some logical explanation", which it was ultimately revealed there was, and take that in stride without getting activated. Progress, I thought.
Yesterday morning, he texted that he was going out of town for the weekend to a wedding. I felt it was thoughtful he told me and assumed that meant he would be offline for awhile. And he was. And I was fine! Kind of like a normal person would be. Until last night...when he was online for several hours, up until quite late--but not with me.
At first, I was fine (just assumed messaging on stuff about the wedding etc.) , but as I check again the obsessive thing starts, and I keep checking, and I start to get upset. So of course I assume he's online with some other woman, but remind myself that it could be anything --that, or a friend, or a family member, or whatever--I don't know. But couldn't quite manage it. [Had he sent me a short message in the midst of all that, I think I might have been OK--but he didn't. I did not message him.]
This morning, I could see he was online early, but nothing from him. So, I sent 4 short, light messages mid-morning (we usually send our first message around then) about what I was doing and referenced something we were joking about the other day. Not only is there no response, but he hasn't even read my messages (showing two ticks for delivered, but still grey --unread--even now, 12 hours later), and he has been online many times today --which I can see when I open whatsapp and our chat, so he hasn't blocked me or anything. So what with stupidly checking this all day, by late afternoon I was having full-on, deep-in-the-stomach anxiety. And I know this is all out of proportion! And I couldn't control it!
This is a serious problem for me. How can I explain how this is for me. It is not even rumination or conscious thought. I certainly fell into non-stop obsessive thought/analysis plus full-on continual anxiety with my DA, who I was actually in a relationship with, but in this case, I don't really have anything thought-wise/history-wise to hang a hat on. Other than that he has been online a lot last night/today and is not responding to me or reading my messages from this morning for some reason. Just stuck on that fact. My logical brain knows that I am not in a relationship with this person, that we haven't even met, that there is no investment on either side at this point--but my psyche and my body is reacting otherwise. It makes me feel a total mind/body disconnect and like an insane person.
I am coming down now after several hours or this and am kind of getting into a calmer, more accepting mindset that I just may never hear from him again, time will tell--but man, it was awful when I was in that pit-in-the-stomach physical and back-of-the-brain looping mental anxiety most of the day. And, I simply could not manage it, get to a place where I took a que sera sera attitude. I hate reacting like this shit matters so much when I know that this is really no "there" there at all at this point. We are not in a relationship! He doesn't know me yet! I don't know him yet! It's easy come, easy go--walking away/choosing another option--if that is what is happening-- really isn't personal at this point, even if I was feeling hopeful. But it sure feels like it emotionally. I certainly react --even knowing better--as if it is.
How does one manage this? Make this part of the process to secure? Rather than being just subsumed until it passes? I hated feeling like I did today....
The best advice my adult daughter gave me when I first started this on line dating malarkey was to meet up with the person asap and to avoid building a fake cyber relationship. I was very naive after being with my husband for over 25yrs and she had some experience on tinder dating. It really was great advice as I found the ones I had chatted to on line for X amount of time and appeared great, when I actually met up with them in the flesh I wish the floor to open up and swollow me so I could escape asap. Not sure if this helps but meeting person to person like the good olde pre online days is sound advice.
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Post by andy on Dec 16, 2018 19:04:56 GMT
I certainly relate to much of this, boomerang, particularly the mind/body disconnection that can come from the rational running commentary overlaying the anxiety and trying to shut it down. *hugs offered* I hope you can be gentle with yourself and accept the fact that you feel some anxiety. You said something about feeling stupid that you can't manage it. I am guessing it is painful telling yourself that. Would you consider saying to yourself instead in the moment, "Okay, I'm feeling anxiety right now. I don't like the way it makes me feel but I can accept it. It is what it is, and it doesn't make me a bad person." For me, thinking all the rational thoughts to try to defeat the anxiety doesn't really work. For every reason I give myself not to worry, part of me says "yeah but" and gives a counter-reason. I don't know whether you are the same way. Paradoxically I think I give my anxiety more power when I try to debate with it internally and feel so determined to get rid of it and upset when it persists. I find it removes a layer of struggle to make peace with it in the moment. Doesn't mean it won't go away or you wouldn't like it to go away. But it might feel nice to free yourself of the feeling of obligation to battle it and self-judgement that can go with that. I really liked the mindfulness and meditation suggestions that others made. Could be a way of healing that mind/body disconnection a little bit. All the very best to you.
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Post by sissyk on Dec 16, 2018 20:49:24 GMT
When I started online dating last year, I had one guy that texted me several times a day in the two week run up before our actual date. He was sending me jokes, selfies, photos of the beer he was sipping and what cap he was going to wear, weather reports, morning and evening salutations. I was amused and liked the attention but thought it was a bit weird. The day of our "date," he texted that he thought the age difference was too much and didn't think we should meet (He was 7 years older, but acted like a tween who just got an iPhone with his texting habits.)
I concluded this takeaway. You know noting about a person based on their texting. The"texting guy" who texted me could have been married, or thought that it was fun to have a woman to text while he was traveling on business, or I was one of a dozen gals getting photos of his beer. Who knows? It is no reflection on you. If all you have done is text, you don't know anything about him except that he thinks it is fun to text.
Is it possible for you to take a technology break so you are not monitoring his e-comings and goings? If he is serious about meeting you, he will get in touch and make a plan.
That said, online dating is crazy-making, even for the hardiest souls....
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Post by alexandra on Dec 16, 2018 21:16:51 GMT
boomerang, as the others are posting here, everything you're saying is very common for APs. I cycled like this for years and years and years. The trick ends up being that it's usually not about the person triggering you, especially if you barely know them, even if it feels strongly like it is about them. There's a lot of fantasy and projection going on, and hoping that this new person will make you feel good and meet your needs. This means the attention you're getting is a form of external validation that feels stabilizing to your sense of self and self-esteem. When an AP then perceives the risk of rejection, and abandonment, it gets coupled with feeling that stabilizing self-esteem ripped away, and boom! You're triggered and can't self-sooth. But it is actually about you, not other people (assuming whoever is triggering you isn't abusive). It is great you're recognizing how this feels for you and that you don't even know this person so it is an overreaction to the situation. It's an overreaction to him, yes, but not to whatever issues in your past caused your AP style to form. Your nervous system is being overstimulated and hijacked. Try to be patient and forgiving with yourself on that end and not beat yourself up for your reactions. Meditating and finding other ways to interrupt the thought pattern and sooth your overactive nervous system may help in the moment. Leaning in to listen to your body and exploring the underlying fears that are driving the response is good too (while taking care not to fall into a negative self-loathing talk track). Unfortunately, I never found anything to eliminate being triggered completely besides healing my attachment wounds. But as I learned my body's pattern of responses to being triggered and how long that usually lasted and tried to figure out how to calm down instead of beating myself up, coupled with generally trying to heal my AP through work when I wasn't triggered, triggering became less frequent over time. Building your own sense of internal self-esteem and true self-acceptance will help speed this process along as well.
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Post by leavethelighton on Dec 18, 2018 0:52:21 GMT
I think that sort of anxiety may initially seem like it's about him, but it isn't about him per se-- it's about the dynamic, your relationship history, etc. In other words, it's not about this one particular man and his actions, it's more like he's symbolic of the dynamic you're struggling with (ex: someone seeming quite interested and engaged and then their abruptly turning it off and disengaging).
I think your feeling quite anxious for a day and then recognizing the situation for what it is and stepping out of the anxiety into better perspective sounds like a fairly healthy reaction from someone with your relationship history. You didn't spiral off into some state of anxiety for days, weeks, months, etc. It was just one day! It sounds like actually have pretty decent coping mechanisms to me given what you're working on.
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Post by boomerang on Dec 19, 2018 0:31:17 GMT
I can't tell you how great all your responses are. So much good insight and truths in them. And I also appreciate the validation, too, that in some ways I am doing better post-DA than maybe I have given myself credit for--despite my angst about being hijacked by anxiety by this new online guy. I read all the responses above more than once. Thank you, thank you, for your thoughts and experiences and taking the time to reply.
And, I totally agree on the need to meet asap before I end up with some extended weird fantasy pen pal thing. He popped up again after the weekend and I texted, "do you want to try again to meet this week?" He said yes, we'd meet this week, but would have to get back to me on where and when.
I half expect him to disappear (my history speaks), half expect him to come through (his consistency speaks), and I am pretty sure he's meeting others online, too, so--I put it out there and now am just waiting to see.
You know, this whole thing makes me reflect again on my DA ex, who is still taking up brain space--it's just like he lives in the back of my mind at this point, a constant but pretty quiet presence as there is nothing new to think about since we no longer have any kind of relationship. He no longer causing me anxiety except when I anticipate (or react to) running into him (we work in the same building, as I have said). But I find myself referencing thoughts about him, almost on a subliminal level, every day. And what I have been thinking recently is how, really truly, the way we interacted is not the way things need to be for me because the contrast with this online still-in-the-realm-of-fantasy man is so striking.
This new guy --and I have no idea what his attachment style is--texts me everyday at 10 am or so. If I text and he doesn't respond to me for a bit, he apologizes for the late response. If I say something nice, he shows appreciation and thanks me. He expressed regret without any prompting that he couldn't meet me last week. Nothing intense, low key--it strikes me as amazingly un-selfconscious. It feels almost shocking to me, as so very different from my DA. And even as I love how easy this online things feels this far, it makes me feel compassion for my DA ex. Such compassion. I can't tell you. I know how awful my AP-ness is for me, but this new guy is kind of giving me a new line of sight into the experience of my DA as a DA, and how very hard our relationship was for him, too.
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Post by sissyk on Dec 19, 2018 0:52:10 GMT
Sounds like you are doing well! As for you reflecting on your DA ex in this--I think one of the reason these DA relationships are so compelling is that they give us when we have never experienced them before an instant PhD in the human experience. There is so much to reflect on and feel and we are always learning about ourselves through them.
That is GREAT you asked online guy if he wanted to meet in person this week. Good direct request!!! I am a fan of those. Being a polite texter is refreshing and good on his part. I hope he steps up and you meet him in person. If he has more excuses, that is valuable data for you.
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Post by faithopelove on Dec 19, 2018 23:07:26 GMT
I need help managing out-of-proportion anxiety related to over-sensitivities around rejection. I feel so stupid that I cannot manage this, it really is not warranted.
Here's what's going on. A guy I matched with online has been texting daily for two weeks. He has been consistent and fun. I have not had a lot of interest online, which has been hard to deal with confidence-wise, and only one actual date in three months, so this is nice. We were supposed to actually meet last week, but life got in the way on his end. It was not clear at that time why he was suddenly completely offline, but I was able to put it down to "there must be some logical explanation", which it was ultimately revealed there was, and take that in stride without getting activated. Progress, I thought.
Yesterday morning, he texted that he was going out of town for the weekend to a wedding. I felt it was thoughtful he told me and assumed that meant he would be offline for awhile. And he was. And I was fine! Kind of like a normal person would be. Until last night...when he was online for several hours, up until quite late--but not with me.
At first, I was fine (just assumed messaging on stuff about the wedding etc.) , but as I check again the obsessive thing starts, and I keep checking, and I start to get upset. So of course I assume he's online with some other woman, but remind myself that it could be anything --that, or a friend, or a family member, or whatever--I don't know. But couldn't quite manage it. [Had he sent me a short message in the midst of all that, I think I might have been OK--but he didn't. I did not message him.]
This morning, I could see he was online early, but nothing from him. So, I sent 4 short, light messages mid-morning (we usually send our first message around then) about what I was doing and referenced something we were joking about the other day. Not only is there no response, but he hasn't even read my messages (showing two ticks for delivered, but still grey --unread--even now, 12 hours later), and he has been online many times today --which I can see when I open whatsapp and our chat, so he hasn't blocked me or anything. So what with stupidly checking this all day, by late afternoon I was having full-on, deep-in-the-stomach anxiety. And I know this is all out of proportion! And I couldn't control it!
This is a serious problem for me. How can I explain how this is for me. It is not even rumination or conscious thought. I certainly fell into non-stop obsessive thought/analysis plus full-on continual anxiety with my DA, who I was actually in a relationship with, but in this case, I don't really have anything thought-wise/history-wise to hang a hat on. Other than that he has been online a lot last night/today and is not responding to me or reading my messages from this morning for some reason. Just stuck on that fact. My logical brain knows that I am not in a relationship with this person, that we haven't even met, that there is no investment on either side at this point--but my psyche and my body is reacting otherwise. It makes me feel a total mind/body disconnect and like an insane person.
I am coming down now after several hours or this and am kind of getting into a calmer, more accepting mindset that I just may never hear from him again, time will tell--but man, it was awful when I was in that pit-in-the-stomach physical and back-of-the-brain looping mental anxiety most of the day. And, I simply could not manage it, get to a place where I took a que sera sera attitude. I hate reacting like this shit matters so much when I know that this is really no "there" there at all at this point. We are not in a relationship! He doesn't know me yet! I don't know him yet! It's easy come, easy go--walking away/choosing another option--if that is what is happening-- really isn't personal at this point, even if I was feeling hopeful. But it sure feels like it emotionally. I certainly react --even knowing better--as if it is.
How does one manage this? Make this part of the process to secure? Rather than being just subsumed until it passes? I hated feeling like I did today....
First, it’s not unreasonable or insecure to read a guy’s signals as less interested or avoiding you, when in fact, they sometimes are and your thoughts are warranted. In the online dating pool, there are many opportunities to be dishonest and also to quickly gain and lose interest bc another person presents that is more appealing. Again, I don’t think it’s insecure to accurately read someone as pulling away or disinterested. His signs clearly show to me that he’s not interested- at least not enough and not in this moment. Recognize it for what it is and then handle it in a healthy mindset that’s good for you. Remember- it’s his loss and you’re not a good fit. Better to learn that upfront than 6 months down the road. That’s s healthy way of looking at it- one that doesn’t fault you or ruminate over any perceived loss. It may feel lousy for a few hours or days but then move on to looking for someone else who is highly interested and available. A lot of dating is weeding out the wrong ones and heeding those red flags- you want to be aware and recognize those red flags...and not let it cause undue anxiety and unrest when it doesn’t work out. I wouldn’t reach out to him again- there will be others!! I recently had two guys ghost me from an online dating site I never met- that’s ok. I was SPARED!!! Seriously, for all we know, these people could be married!! Keep looking! 🙂
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Post by boomerang on Dec 22, 2018 4:04:39 GMT
Just to circle back on this, we did finally meet. It was kind of hard to get a read on him, but my feeling throughout was that he wasn't really that attracted to me. Which made me feel less attracted to him. So --chicken or egg-- it didn't seem to set things up for any further engagement, though if he wants to meet again, I will so that I can be sure. But I observe myself and see how, though full on AP with my beloved and engulfed and inconsistent DA (who is very much along the lines of FHL's guy and SissyK's guy), the lack of positive leaning in from my date (neutral feeling from him--I am very, very attuned to emotional cues) really brought out my avoidant side. And I feel I don't care one way or the other. Which is precisely why I'll meet him again if he wants to, because I feel I need to work on this, too.
The unexpected consequence of my evening was that when I got home, I got really upset. Not at this new guy or at the lack of clear interest per se, but really upset about my DA. Such a feeling of missing him and just wishing he was back with me. I haven't felt like that in awhile...even though I still think about him a lot, it hasn't had emotional intensity much for awhile. But that came roaring back last night.
And this morning, I woke up really angry at him.
I struggle with "being fair" (he's damn wounded, and in his context, did the best he could--I do honestly think this these days when not activated) and being deeply angry that he couldn't rise above it, if he cared about me, to directly, honestly, and kindly tell me he wanted to end things with me (as he always promised he would do--as he committed to me to do), rather than just rejecting me with apparent indifference repeatedly--though not consistently--over many months. Seemingly hopeful I would get the hint and just take myself away, sparing him any discomfort.
My counselor says I keep making excuses for him. That he was fully aware that the worst thing for me was the cold shoulder. That he knew that when he talked to me honestly, I reacted well. And he chose not to do that, even though that was how we had broken up "well" in the past.
I reflect that the worst thing for him was me making him feel "responsible for my feelings" and kind of feel he just couldn't do it any other way at this point in time. So, I never quite know where to end up on this train of thought.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 22, 2018 5:03:25 GMT
boomerang , you're doing a good job. It sounds like you need to keep leaning into yourself because you haven't healed from your DA and are going to bring that baggage into new dates and new relationships. And that is okay, because as was discussed earlier in this thread -- the reason you haven't healed from your DA isn't about your DA, it's further back than that, in whatever led you to evolve an AP style in the first place. You're facing triggers and feelings and feeling them and analyzing them. That's good, because it means you are processing and curious about yourself.
You don't have to be fair right this minute, because you have unprocessed anger and sadness and you should feel those things so you can eventually let them pass. Feel them and stay curious about what you're angry about. I suspect that your anger is because you may have felt disrespected and less than from how he handled the end of your relationship. You want to be angry but then feel it's unfair because he has issues too, so you have turned your anger on yourself to shut down being angry at him. You're taking on too much responsibility for his feelings in doing that, because you can feel whatever you need to feel, and that's why it's a problem that you're "making excuses." But you may be doing that because it can feel like garbage for an AP to be angry at an attachment figure.
And then, if that seems right, you can stay curious and go deeper. Why is it so important for you to feel respected by an attachment figure and so hard for you to be angry at one? Does that feel reminiscent of any other dynamics in your past?
Maybe your DA did the best he could, but you still get to feel abandoned (if that's how you feel). He didn't "make" you feel anything, it wasn't intentional, but you still feel it. That's okay, you can accept those feelings in yourself instead of rejecting them or berating yourself for taking too long to get over it or "making excuses" for him. One way to handle those abandonment feelings? There's some talk on these boards about re-parenting yourself and talking to little boomerang (possibly with some visualization), so that you are stepping up and not abandoning YOURSELF. Because that's the important part. Again, if any of this sounds like I'm on the right track, maybe you can talk to your therapist about doing some exercises that can help in that space?
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Post by boomerang on Dec 23, 2018 9:39:01 GMT
Thanks, Alexandra. I have spent the past few hours thinking about what you wrote. It's funny, you know, I got really angry--and expressed it--to my core attachment figure for years, then gave up finally expressing it as it never made a difference. It also became less necessary as I moved far, far away.
With my DA, though, I never showed anger because I knew that would totally end things. Just calm but clear "talks" about actions that were problematic for me were enough to make him disappear. They made him feel he was the bad guy because I presented as "you do this-fix it" rather than seeking to understand it and finding a mutual solution. This was something I came to understand belatedly (thanks to coming to this forum) and too late to change my manner of communicating before things were really on the rocks. I would still need to address those things, but I would handle very differently given a do over. I've learned a lot from how I presented those issues and he reacted in the context of attachment and communication in general, actually, but sadly, too late for this one.
But I am angry, yes. He told me in early spring he did not want to be responsible for my feelings. And proceeded to prove he would do nothing to consider them by distancing without explanation --knowing that is what I cannot tolerate --and throwing in repeated sexual rejection (including a hookup with a younger woman, which he did not try to hide by meeting her at her place instead of his, but doesn't know for sure that I know about) for good measure to make me just go away.
Not that that worked. Hah--he really should read up on attachment. APs never abandon. But this AP, at least, would have let him go if he had called on my compassion. Which he damn well knew from our previous breakup. We even talked about how we ended well that time. I am so angry he took this path.
I think in his mind disengagement was a way "not to hurt me", but really it was about not wanting to see me feeling hurt and having to deal with how that made him feel. In any case, I didn't allow him to just slip away in the end and buttonholed him after 5 months of this. He felt super pressured and was super brutal consequently--so he didn't get what he wanted, either. So stupid. Both of us hurt more than was ever necessary.
Funny thing is why I can't express this anger to him now, when he is no longer in a relationship with me. And I realize it's because of the fear of the consequences. Even now, emotionally I am afraid of that--that it will irrevocably end any connection we might have ever again. Which I truly believe it would. So really, what it comes down to is abandonment even though I have already been abandoned. And my inability to definitively cut off the source of what I need. So guess what, I guess I am still attached, even though I don't feel it the way I used to. Anger has, with occasional moments of exception (like the other night), largely replaced nostalgia and longing. Well, anger is attachment, too, I guess.
I just don't know what is on the other side of it. I have only three responses to anger in my toolkit: being actively angry (which I am now), hardening/indifference (my avoidant side), and forgiveness/acceptance. Understanding is the only path I know to that last one, which is where the excuses come in. Is there another way? Help me.
I struggle with balancing the choice he made to take the path he did with recognizing that he is completely unaware of his own attachment style/wounds, as I was (mine and his) until this spring when we were already on the disengagement path. It's like I can't be angry at the weather: it is what it is -- and my DA is what he is. That's where I feel I need to be fair. But I don't know how to do that without excusing...I don't know how to process and move past my anger without finding a way to excuse/understand/accept him.
Which, incidentally, is further than I ever got with my feelings about my core attachment figure. No understanding or acceptance is in my consciousness at all--I landed on indifference there.
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Post by faithopelove on Dec 23, 2018 20:05:58 GMT
I need help managing out-of-proportion anxiety related to over-sensitivities around rejection. I feel so stupid that I cannot manage this, it really is not warranted.
Here's what's going on. A guy I matched with online has been texting daily for two weeks. He has been consistent and fun. I have not had a lot of interest online, which has been hard to deal with confidence-wise, and only one actual date in three months, so this is nice. We were supposed to actually meet last week, but life got in the way on his end. It was not clear at that time why he was suddenly completely offline, but I was able to put it down to "there must be some logical explanation", which it was ultimately revealed there was, and take that in stride without getting activated. Progress, I thought.
Yesterday morning, he texted that he was going out of town for the weekend to a wedding. I felt it was thoughtful he told me and assumed that meant he would be offline for awhile. And he was. And I was fine! Kind of like a normal person would be. Until last night...when he was online for several hours, up until quite late--but not with me.
At first, I was fine (just assumed messaging on stuff about the wedding etc.) , but as I check again the obsessive thing starts, and I keep checking, and I start to get upset. So of course I assume he's online with some other woman, but remind myself that it could be anything --that, or a friend, or a family member, or whatever--I don't know. But couldn't quite manage it. [Had he sent me a short message in the midst of all that, I think I might have been OK--but he didn't. I did not message him.]
This morning, I could see he was online early, but nothing from him. So, I sent 4 short, light messages mid-morning (we usually send our first message around then) about what I was doing and referenced something we were joking about the other day. Not only is there no response, but he hasn't even read my messages (showing two ticks for delivered, but still grey --unread--even now, 12 hours later), and he has been online many times today --which I can see when I open whatsapp and our chat, so he hasn't blocked me or anything. So what with stupidly checking this all day, by late afternoon I was having full-on, deep-in-the-stomach anxiety. And I know this is all out of proportion! And I couldn't control it!
This is a serious problem for me. How can I explain how this is for me. It is not even rumination or conscious thought. I certainly fell into non-stop obsessive thought/analysis plus full-on continual anxiety with my DA, who I was actually in a relationship with, but in this case, I don't really have anything thought-wise/history-wise to hang a hat on. Other than that he has been online a lot last night/today and is not responding to me or reading my messages from this morning for some reason. Just stuck on that fact. My logical brain knows that I am not in a relationship with this person, that we haven't even met, that there is no investment on either side at this point--but my psyche and my body is reacting otherwise. It makes me feel a total mind/body disconnect and like an insane person.
I am coming down now after several hours or this and am kind of getting into a calmer, more accepting mindset that I just may never hear from him again, time will tell--but man, it was awful when I was in that pit-in-the-stomach physical and back-of-the-brain looping mental anxiety most of the day. And, I simply could not manage it, get to a place where I took a que sera sera attitude. I hate reacting like this shit matters so much when I know that this is really no "there" there at all at this point. We are not in a relationship! He doesn't know me yet! I don't know him yet! It's easy come, easy go--walking away/choosing another option--if that is what is happening-- really isn't personal at this point, even if I was feeling hopeful. But it sure feels like it emotionally. I certainly react --even knowing better--as if it is.
How does one manage this? Make this part of the process to secure? Rather than being just subsumed until it passes? I hated feeling like I did today....
The best advice my adult daughter gave me when I first started this on line dating malarkey was to meet up with the person asap and to avoid building a fake cyber relationship. I was very naive after being with my husband for over 25yrs and she had some experience on tinder dating. It really was great advice as I found the ones I had chatted to on line for X amount of time and appeared great, when I actually met up with them in the flesh I wish the floor to open up and swollow me so I could escape asap. Not sure if this helps but meeting person to person like the good olde pre online days is sound advice. Agreed- I always aim to meet a guy from online within 1-2 weeks before I spend time and energy investing in someone where the face to face meet up is the first and last meet up! If he’s not willing to meet within 2 weeks after days of messaging, then I have my first red flag.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 23, 2018 20:33:40 GMT
I just don't know what is on the other side of it. I have only three responses to anger in my toolkit: being actively angry (which I am now), hardening/indifference (my avoidant side), and forgiveness/acceptance. Understanding is the only path I know to that last one, which is where the excuses come in. Is there another way? Help me. So there is another option I can think of immediately, and it's related to the hard work of healing AP. AP doesn't know how to self-soothe and emotionally regulate on their own. They cling in hopes that others will be able to regulate for them. You are actually doing that throughout your last couple of comments. Each of the responses you listed in your toolkit is completely in deference to the other person (staying angry AT THEM, hardening/avoiding THEM, forgiving/accepting/understanding THEM). Even though it's your emotion, you're actually excluding yourself from the equation and still putting management of your emotion onto how the other person may respond to your response. And you've asked for help here, which, hopefully you don't take offense because none meant and it's good to ask for help when you're trying to learn something new, but look at the way you've said it and what that may tell you. It isn't help you learn how to help yourself, it's a short and maybe child-like external ask, "Help me." So, another option is to own your anger, figure out what it is indicating is wrong (what about the situation has really upset you, what about your environment is wrong in this situation, what need wasn't met), and forget the other person. How do you provide whatever is needed to fix it for yourself? Instead of forgiving the other person, maybe instead start with trying to understand and forgive yourself. Instead of feeling like the person making you angry has more important needs than you do which are being met while yours aren't, remind yourself that your needs are important too and deserve to be met -- and then take steps on your own to do that. If you can start to build up your own ability to accept yourself, where you're at and how you feel, to understand yourself, and to take ownership of your own feelings and build your self-esteem, you're going to find your perspective on the anger shifts.
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