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Post by lovebunny on Nov 6, 2019 15:09:50 GMT
Yep, vacations.
My FA girlfriend of 8 1/2 months dumped me soon after we bought non-refundable tickets and made a 7 night reservation at a nice resort.
She kept all the reservations and went alone (I think. I don't follow her on social media.) I threw money at the problem, changed my ticket dates, and joined up with an active group tour.
She'd been a bit squirrelly about the vacation when I first suggested it. I thought it was because she likes a laid-back drinks-by-the-pool trip while I prefer active, rugged vacations. We spent all our spare time together already, so I didn't recognize her hesitance as an intimacy issue. But I now understand she was scared it would deepen the relationship.
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Post by suarez9 on Nov 15, 2019 14:12:08 GMT
Hey everyone. Would you believe it - days after I posted this - she came out to the same street of bars I visit and 'bumped into me'. Well actually she sat in a cab with her friends watching me leave a bar and then followed me to my cab before calling out and asking if we could chat. I initially said no and then agreed to chat. 2 hours later and she's trying to kiss me and tell me she misses me. I staryed strong and said I had moved on. She texted the next day to say nice to see you and sorry if she ruined my night. Then she asked me if I wanted to go for a walk. I haven't 'read' these messages and haven't replied but it's not me who feels guilty. Should I? Or is this classic nothing behaviour designed to reel me back in? Bit lost and grateful for your input
Thanks again!
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Post by alexandra on Nov 16, 2019 5:16:22 GMT
Hey everyone. Would you believe it - days after I posted this - she came out to the same street of bars I visit and 'bumped into me'. Well actually she sat in a cab with her friends watching me leave a bar and then followed me to my cab before calling out and asking if we could chat. I initially said no and then agreed to chat. 2 hours later and she's trying to kiss me and tell me she misses me. I staryed strong and said I had moved on. She texted the next day to say nice to see you and sorry if she ruined my night. Then she asked me if I wanted to go for a walk. I haven't 'read' these messages and haven't replied but it's not me who feels guilty. Should I? Or is this classic nothing behaviour designed to reel me back in? Bit lost and grateful for your input Thanks again! Seems like normal cycling. It isn't "designed" to reel you back in. It's usually not conscious, and reflects the ambivalent mindset and weak sense of stable, consistent identity that FAs can have. It's a tough way to live, but that's not on you. However, it WILL reel you back in and kick start the cycle if you allow it to, so just politely acknowledge that she didn't ruin your night but you aren't looking to restart things, and then let it go. She hasn't changed yet, and you're trying to move forward for yourself.
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Post by stu on Nov 16, 2019 10:47:47 GMT
Hey everyone. Would you believe it - days after I posted this - she came out to the same street of bars I visit and 'bumped into me'. Well actually she sat in a cab with her friends watching me leave a bar and then followed me to my cab before calling out and asking if we could chat. I initially said no and then agreed to chat. 2 hours later and she's trying to kiss me and tell me she misses me. I staryed strong and said I had moved on. She texted the next day to say nice to see you and sorry if she ruined my night. Then she asked me if I wanted to go for a walk. I haven't 'read' these messages and haven't replied but it's not me who feels guilty. Should I? Or is this classic nothing behaviour designed to reel me back in? Bit lost and grateful for your input Thanks again! Seems like normal cycling. It isn't "designed" to reel you back in. It's usually not conscious, and reflects the ambivalent mindset and weak sense of stable, consistent identity that FAs can have. It's a tough way to live, but that's not on you. However, it WILL reel you back in and kick start the cycle if you allow it to, so just politely acknowledge that she didn't ruin your night but you aren't looking to restart things, and then let it go. She hasn't changed yet, and you're trying to move forward for yourself. Interesting point on the weak sense of stable consistent identity , on top of the ambivilence of mind. I noticed this trait with a BPD ex, and with recent behavior of the ex fa I noticed some striking similarities between the two. Now bpd and Fa attachment are by no means the same thing at all. But they both seem to have some common things going on like issues with object constancy, weak sense of self, ambivalent feelings, fear of abandonment , engulfment, and intimacy all together. To the OP I double what Alexandra mentioned it's spot on. She's not doing any of this consciously she's just very confused and not in a place to be in a healthy reciprocal relationship. It's sad because you can tell it's not their fault and they aren't trying to string you along or manipulate you. There's empathy for it and a feeling of wanting to help. Sadly though until they can fully acknoweldge their issues and work through it for themselves it will just repeat itself infintium.
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Post by suarez9 on Dec 9, 2019 16:50:17 GMT
Thank you both for the replies. I didn't reply to the texts. For this I feel bad. But I'm told this was the right thing to do by a friend. I think you are spot on and I don't think she is doing it on purpose. That's the sad thing. She just couldn't trust me and at least try and go on holiday. Your last line, stu - I agree. I can't see how she has changed but there's always the hope isn't here. Do they ever change? Do they ever get that moment where the penny drops? I guess me walking away makes her either think fuck him and she finds someone else - or it makes her self evaluate that she can't carry on like this if she wants to be happy one day. So which is it? Anyone with any experience know? Thanks again for your advice!
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Post by alexandra on Dec 9, 2019 19:12:55 GMT
Do they ever change? Do they ever get that moment where the penny drops? I guess me walking away makes her either think fuck him and she finds someone else - or it makes her self evaluate that she can't carry on like this if she wants to be happy one day. So which is it? Anyone with any experience know? Thanks again for your advice! It depends where they are in their process and how painful it is for them. There's a better chance statistically that they'll blame everyone else and stay on repeat if they have a history of deep avoidance. If other stuff is going on in their lives and they're at a pain breaking point that makes them serious about change, it's possible, but if/when it happens it will have very little if anything to do with you. I have a previously FA friend who started therapy 5 years ago and loves it and doesn't know why he didn't start sooner. Almost every woman he dated told him to go to therapy and tried to help him, he listened to none of them. I asked if, in retrospect, did he feel any had properly identified the problem and if that helped push him to get help. He said no, not at all. He started making changes after his most toxic, very long term on and off situation blew up totally, but it only even got to that point because he'd started self evaluating on his own and had finally gotten to a point that he was capable of not having one foot out all the time (that took years and years in itself). However, he'd underestimated how much he'd chosen a bad partner who was equally dysfunctional and a full half of the toxic dynamic, so what he did didn't matter for their relationship. Lucky thing, too... she's awful.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 9, 2019 19:20:17 GMT
I also wouldn't assume she's thinking eff him. It's more likely she's thinking something like, just as predicted, everyone eventually leaves me because I suck. Oh well, more evidence proving the point and narrative I'm going to stay convinced of no matter what.
But since that's not exactly what's actually going on, she's not identifying the real problem if that is her thought process, it won't make her change.
But you also can't know and it's just a guess, so after going down that short rabbit hole, you're better off double downing on your side of things and focusing on yourself. As you did when not responding to the text, which was a positive step.
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