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Post by anne12 on Dec 27, 2019 13:23:54 GMT
What were you longing for in your relationship ?
Examples om why people can "cheat":
You have unresolved conflicts in the relationship. You are annoyed, angry ect with your partner or vice versa You or your partner are stressed out You or your partner have a secret "dream" in everyday life about an "adventure" You or your partner do not feel valued or loved ect.
Do You know how to be voulnarble in your relationship, reach out and ask for what you want ?
Do you know how to selfsooth and selfregulate your nerveussystem ?
What is your partners attatchmentstyle ?
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Post by bohemianraspberry on Dec 27, 2019 14:16:49 GMT
I recommend to you the books and talks by Esther Perel. Mating in captivity. She says that people cheat because they look into another to find themself. It is not so much about the lover, but something missing in you.
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Post by amber on Dec 27, 2019 20:37:17 GMT
I would be curious to know more about your relationship with your wife and what needs of yours you feel are not being met. Is your wife distant or unable to provide intimacy to you? Have you discussed your concerns with your wife?i feel for you, this is super hard. Judging yourself will not make this better though. Does your wife know about the other woman?
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Post by serenity on Dec 27, 2019 22:33:30 GMT
Hi all, Im here because I had an emotional affair, that I confessed to my wife of 10 years. In my research in trying to understand why I engaged in such destructive behaviour I came across attachment styles and have come to the conclusion I am anxious. Its now 4 days out since my confession but I have been struggling with the guilt for almost a month. My affair didn’t start as such but I soon realised that the other person probably was attracted to me, at first I was flattered and enjoyed the attention of a younger attractive woman, however as things progressed I found that I couldn’t resist the emotional support that I felt I was lacking at home, things finally came to a head when I knew that something had to give, that I couldn’t have my cake and eat it too. I resolved to break things off with the other person. This is the point where things became unmanageable for me and I am now in a living hell. In brief I attached myself to the other woman in a way that only other anxious types will understand, however the other woman could see how conflicted I was so broke things off with me. This caused me to cling to her and for her to predictably pull away. I understand that I don’t love this girl but my emotions are telling me differently, I grieve her loss and am struggling to be close to my wife, even though I know that I love her. I am consumed with guilt and unable to start to atone for my wrong doing. At this time, I have resolved to seek therapy to prevent myself from falling into this trap again, but really my whole being just craves contact with the other woman so I can feel emotionally stable again. I feel like the worst kind of human and will accept my fate as it is dealt to me. I just want to know if others understand how I can feel this way or if I am just a selfish piece of shit who is suffering the inevitable consequences of his actions mezzer If your wife is still there, she loves you and wants your marriage to work. But you have made yourself feel very unsafe, through the affair and also the confession. Its likely why you still crave this other person. You've also made your wife feel unsafe. Its going to take some time to repair this. Try asking her, what she needs to feel safe again and work towards that. And try to figure out what you need to feel safe again in the relationship. Did anything happen in your marriage to make you feel unsafe, or is this coming from internal insecurity do you think?
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Post by mezzer on Dec 27, 2019 23:37:04 GMT
Thank you for all your responses, I believe that my unmet needs stems from my wife’s lack of physical intimacy and emotional connection, however i now believe I am highly needy of reassurance and always believed deep down that my wife would leave me at some point. There has been some life shaking events this year which have made me more susceptible that out of respect for my wife i won’t go into, however we fundamentally disagreed on the outcome, but i respected that the decision was ultimately hers to make. I often wish to be treated how I have treated her for the duration of our relationship, however it is not in her nature to be affectionate, having someone else notice me and fill the craving made me feel more confident and seen than I have ever felt in my life. I have discussed this with my wife many times over the years but she refuses to acknowledge the level of intimacy I require to feel safe in our relationship. I am sad I didn’t know about attachment types years ago so I could try to close the gap and not act out in such a destructive way.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 28, 2019 0:53:07 GMT
mezzer, does your wife have an avoidant attachment style? Sounds likely, based on the little information you provided. While you've handled your issues in a bad way (though better than physically cheating too), you should probably look into typical anxious/avoidant dance dynamics to see how this pattern plays out. The more mature and secure thing to do is, of course, communicate with your partner before things get so bad that you're seeking romantic connection and validation elsewhere (the latter of which should come from yourself, not your partner, but that's part of the AP). But since you already are where you are, then what's going to be helpful for you is to recognize that both of you make that relationship work. And past having lesser coping skills than would be ideal to handle the original source of conflict here, of which emotional cheating is a symptom not the cause, both you and your wife contributed to the pre-affair problems in the marriage. That also means you both need to fix them. She may or may not want to after you broke her trust, but you also didn't feel comfortable talking to her about her distancing. If she's avoidant, then your discomfort is for a legitimate reason, and you'll both have to be committed to not just working on the relationship together but also working equally as hard on yourselves. Motivated by each of you wanting to do so, not motivated by one person wanting the other to do something for them. If she's available and willing to do that, you can work through this. If she's not, then yes, you blew up your relationship and need to take responsibility for that either way, but you probably blew it up on some level because you were so desperate for change in a situation that was at a stalemate. Which is often where long-term anxious/avoidant pairings go. You're right in observing your feelings for the other woman are about attachment, validation, and reflecting how you feel about yourself, and not so intense out of passionate love for her. In fact, I'd stay away from her. You're feeling physical withdrawal symptoms right now which will fade with some time, but she isn't going to be a better or healthier choice for you if she's willing to pursue a married man. You need to take the time to sort through your AP and figure out how to move forward with your wife (whether that means working through this or mutually separating).
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Post by mezzer on Dec 28, 2019 15:23:07 GMT
Alexandra, thank you for taking the time to provide me with some insight into what's going on and a more rational perspective. I am interested if you are also ap or just very used to seeing this type of behaviour. I am trying to make things right with my wife and have arranged to see a therapist, I am frightened of the future though because my wife is a good person and I dont want to let her down again
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Post by mezzer on Dec 28, 2019 18:27:01 GMT
Claire81 thank you for reaching out to me, it feels good to know that I’m not the only one, if you have have found your way here I’m guessing you are feeling things are not right in your situation and you are trying to understand how you ended up in this mess. I will read your post with interest and try to offer support if I can, what really hurts is that you don’t realise you’re hooked on the emotional connection, you feel in control until your affair partner shifts and then the desperate behaviour starts. It’s not pretty in my case and I hope you don’t go through what I am.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 28, 2019 19:10:36 GMT
mezzer, I was AP for most of my life but earned secure after a couple years of painful hard work and relationship after relationship with first dismissive avoidants then fearful avoidants once I finally learned to stop choosing dismissive but hadn't yet healed my attachment issues. I've never been in the situation you're in, but I can understand how something like that can happen and the existential crisis you're having now (though you can harness all that pain to really change yourself, if you so choose). It's definitely important to take responsibility and learn healthier coping mechanisms for your problems so you never cheat on someone again, but it's also very important to see that you alone can't create or control an entire long-term unhealthy relationship dynamic.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 28, 2019 19:16:46 GMT
what really hurts is that you don’t realise you’re hooked on the emotional connection, you feel in control until your affair partner shifts and then the desperate behaviour starts. Additionally, this is one of the keys to your AP issues. AP have a lot of difficulty with emotional self-regulation and look externally for others to do this for them (based on this happening in your childhood upbringing, likely either inconsistent adult caretakers or you having to parent a parent). That's what's happening to you in this description. It is a nervous system overwhelm that puts you in very dysfunctional and unhealthy reactive patterns that repeat over and over, even with different partners, until you work on building your trust in yourself and you learn how to self-regulate your emotions.
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Post by mezzer on Dec 28, 2019 20:56:56 GMT
what really hurts is that you don’t realise you’re hooked on the emotional connection, you feel in control until your affair partner shifts and then the desperate behaviour starts. Additionally, this is one of the keys to your AP issues. AP have a lot of difficulty with emotional self-regulation and look externally for others to do this for them (based on this happening in your childhood upbringing, likely either inconsistent adult caretakers or you having to parent a parent). That's what's happening to you in this description. It is a nervous system overwhelm that puts you in very dysfunctional and unhealthy reactive patterns that repeat over and over, even with different partners, until you work on building your trust in yourself and you learn how to self-regulate your emotions. I have ruined many a potential relationship by acting out and trying to manipulate others to act how I want them to. I just cant help myself, it’s taking everything I have to stop myself from attempting to contact my affair partner, even though I’m pretty sure she is done with me. I really hope that therapy can teach me to deal with my emotions in an appropriate manner.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 29, 2019 1:17:19 GMT
mezzer, nothing wrong with bringing this up to your therapist as an area you want to work on, if you haven't already. You can help yourself, but you've been running on auto-pilot in the past. Now you're aware of it, and you can choose to look at things differently and break your destructive patterns that haven't gotten you what you need no matter how many times you've repeated your same behavior. It takes effort to do this, but once you start practicing different responses, especially if you see better results (even if you don't get a response you want, you'll often feel better anyway because you're expressing yourself more honestly instead of being manipulative so will process your feelings more effectively), it gets easier.
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Post by serenity on Dec 29, 2019 8:06:16 GMT
mezzer , does your wife have an avoidant attachment style? Sounds likely, based on the little information you provided. Hi Mezzer, I was curious to know the answer to Alexandra's question as well? Do you feel your wife has an avoidant/dismissive attachment style, and was this perhaps why you broke and sought out your connection needs elsewhere?
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Post by mezzer on Dec 29, 2019 8:25:27 GMT
I would guess that she does, she refuses to engage with me when I bring up problems, often just refusing to talk. On the few occasions she has spoken to me about my feelings of abandonment and lack of emotional connection, she has pointed to rare instances when she has acted in a way that I would describe as being good examples of what I would like. This is fine but rather than acknowledge that I want more she is defensive as if to say look this should be enough for you. Right now given my behaviour I don’t feel like I can address this with her, I love her and know I have hurt her even if she doesn’t express it how I would. (She has only cried 4 times in 17 years and once was during child birth.) Right now, I’m not prepared to add to her pain by suggesting she is in any way even partly responsible for my infidelity.
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Post by serenity on Dec 29, 2019 9:09:30 GMT
I would guess that she does, she refuses to engage with me when I bring up problems, often just refusing to talk. On the few occasions she has spoken to me about my feelings of abandonment and lack of emotional connection, she has pointed to rare instances when she has acted in a way that I would describe as being good examples of what I would like. This is fine but rather than acknowledge that I want more she is defensive as if to say look this should be enough for you. Right now given my behaviour I don’t feel like I can address this with her, I love her and know I have hurt her even if she doesn’t express it how I would. (She has only cried 4 times in 17 years and once was during child birth.) Right now, I’m not prepared to add to her pain by suggesting she is in any way even partly responsible for my infidelity. I agree, blaming her for your actions is inappropriate. What i'm suggesting is that your feelings and unmet needs have legitimacy, even if you acted on them in a destructive way.
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