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Post by ocarina on Mar 13, 2020 20:50:06 GMT
Question for the group— and this may be more suitable for AP board, but — has anyone experienced this? Things in person with FA are so good (last night included), like nothing is really wrong, a little bit of anxiety on my part cause that's just how I am in general (and maybe a little beginning awkwardness on his part cause that's how he is) but NOTHING even close in comparison to how I get with time apart (like after the first couple of days after a hangout). It makes me think I'm crazy or well, that my abandonment issues are way bigger than I thought. Like am I just blowing things out of portion and looking at everything to be distrustful, reasons for him to disregard or leave me? Then just letting these stories build in my head? And that our texting style — which I'm contributing to — just doesn't help? And it's not even because I'm longing to spend time with him... I mean I do like to spend time with him, but, it's all about the fear of him leaving / abandoning me. Just feeling like I've been so overly dramatic, but it all felt so real and deeply worrisome. And I'm sure it'll come back within me... I mean, I guess. Maybe this is the crux of being AP, but I wondered if anyone else in their relationships had experienced this. Possibly way off the mark but isn’t this the case with many FA pairings? That time together and intimacy are wonderful but are unpredictable in the frequency at which they occur and the communication between times is inconsistent- and that’s the crazy making hook. That intermittent reinforcement is the part that triggers the highs and then the waiting on tenterhooks for the next fix of closeness never quite knowing when it will happen. If that’s correct you’re not crazy and anyone who wanted a secure and consistent relationship would feel the same. The highs are what keeps you wanting more.
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Post by amber on Mar 13, 2020 21:29:23 GMT
Question for the group— and this may be more suitable for AP board, but — has anyone experienced this? Things in person with FA are so good (last night included), like nothing is really wrong, a little bit of anxiety on my part cause that's just how I am in general (and maybe a little beginning awkwardness on his part cause that's how he is) but NOTHING even close in comparison to how I get with time apart (like after the first couple of days after a hangout). It makes me think I'm crazy or well, that my abandonment issues are way bigger than I thought. Like am I just blowing things out of portion and looking at everything to be distrustful, reasons for him to disregard or leave me? Then just letting these stories build in my head? And that our texting style — which I'm contributing to — just doesn't help? And it's not even because I'm longing to spend time with him... I mean I do like to spend time with him, but, it's all about the fear of him leaving / abandoning me. Just feeling like I've been so overly dramatic, but it all felt so real and deeply worrisome. And I'm sure it'll come back within me... I mean, I guess. Maybe this is the crux of being AP, but I wondered if anyone else in their relationships had experienced this. Possibly way off the mark but isn’t this the case with many FA pairings? That time together and intimacy are wonderful but are unpredictable in the frequency at which they occur and the communication between times is inconsistent- and that’s the crazy making hook. That intermittent reinforcement is the part that triggers the highs and then the waiting on tenterhooks for the next fix of closeness never quite knowing when it will happen. If that’s correct you’re not crazy and anyone who wanted a secure and consistent relationship would feel the same. The highs are what keeps you wanting more. I agree. My experience with my ex was like this; amazing when we were together.he was super sweet, easy going, loving, accepting etc, but then there was the distancing, withholding his true feelings and needs, and inability to commit/make future plans. Classic FA.
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Post by serenity on Mar 13, 2020 22:34:56 GMT
I agree its the anxiety of Intermittent reinforcement....not knowing when your needs for love, attention, and time together will be met. Sometimes your bids are accepted, but unpredictably. This arouses feelings of desperation and anxiety surrounding having your needs met..in MOST people. There's a lot of scientific information about this, and its not an `AP' thing...its ``limbic anxiety'', like a fundamental reaction in both humans and animals to these circumstances.
The way to reduce the anxiety within the relationship is to ask for consistency. A regular date night. Responses to your messages. This actually causes an anxious partner to relax and be more comfortable with space, rather than cause smothering.
Getting an avoidant partner to agree to consistency is another issue, lol.
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Post by amber on Mar 13, 2020 23:04:54 GMT
I agree its the anxiety of Intermittent reinforcement....not knowing when your needs for love, attention, and time together will be met. Sometimes your bids are accepted, but unpredictably. This arouses feelings of desperation and anxiety surrounding having your needs met..in MOST people. There's a lot of scientific information about this, and its not an `AP' thing...its ``limbic anxiety'', like a fundamental reaction in both humans and animals to these circumstances. The way to reduce the anxiety within the relationship is to ask for consistency. A regular date night. Responses to your messages. This actually causes an anxious partner to relax and be more comfortable with space, rather than cause smothering. Getting an avoidant partner to agree to consistency is another issue, lol. You can always ask for your needs to be met, but that doesn’t mean the other person can and will. Then you have to decide what to do going forward. I was at my wits end with my ex where I explicitly and calmly requested for specific needs to be met which I considered to be reasonable, and he said he would, but didn’t follow through with action. Trust then begins to break down when this occurs, as the person who asks for their needs to be met begins to feel a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness that their needs will not be met no matter what they do . Very bad place to be in in a r/ship I reckon
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 13, 2020 23:35:10 GMT
Possibly way off the mark but isn’t this the case with many FA pairings? That time together and intimacy are wonderful but are unpredictable in the frequency at which they occur and the communication between times is inconsistent- and that’s the crazy making hook. That intermittent reinforcement is the part that triggers the highs and then the waiting on tenterhooks for the next fix of closeness never quite knowing when it will happen. If that’s correct you’re not crazy and anyone who wanted a secure and consistent relationship would feel the same. The highs are what keeps you wanting more. I agree. My experience with my ex was like this; amazing when we were together.he was super sweet, easy going, loving, accepting etc, but then there was the distancing, withholding his true feelings and needs, and inability to commit/make future plans. Classic FA. Yep same. Really awesome times when we were together...but then it would be me texting him to say hi and him not responding for hours/days. And then it was him having other plans/work that prevented him from coming over...to some degree it was legitimate....and I was convinced it was my problem...that I was expecting too much and not really appreciating what time he did give me...but it did feel so much like he was pulling away, not just that he was taking care of himself.
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Post by serenity on Mar 14, 2020 0:26:34 GMT
I agree its the anxiety of Intermittent reinforcement....not knowing when your needs for love, attention, and time together will be met. Sometimes your bids are accepted, but unpredictably. This arouses feelings of desperation and anxiety surrounding having your needs met..in MOST people. There's a lot of scientific information about this, and its not an `AP' thing...its ``limbic anxiety'', like a fundamental reaction in both humans and animals to these circumstances. The way to reduce the anxiety within the relationship is to ask for consistency. A regular date night. Responses to your messages. This actually causes an anxious partner to relax and be more comfortable with space, rather than cause smothering. Getting an avoidant partner to agree to consistency is another issue, lol. You can always ask for your needs to be met, but that doesn’t mean the other person can and will. Then you have to decide what to do going forward. I was at my wits end with my ex where I explicitly and calmly requested for specific needs to be met which I considered to be reasonable, and he said he would, but didn’t follow through with action. Trust then begins to break down when this occurs, as the person who asks for their needs to be met begins to feel a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness that their needs will not be met no matter what they do . Very bad place to be in in a r/ship I reckon Exactly. I'd rather ask and be refused, than be held in a spell, holding onto hope that things will return to how they were in the honeymoon.
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Post by amber on Mar 14, 2020 1:22:18 GMT
You can always ask for your needs to be met, but that doesn’t mean the other person can and will. Then you have to decide what to do going forward. I was at my wits end with my ex where I explicitly and calmly requested for specific needs to be met which I considered to be reasonable, and he said he would, but didn’t follow through with action. Trust then begins to break down when this occurs, as the person who asks for their needs to be met begins to feel a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness that their needs will not be met no matter what they do . Very bad place to be in in a r/ship I reckon Exactly. I'd rather ask and be refused, than be held in a spell, holding onto hope that things will return to how they were in the honeymoon. [ Totally! I’d rather someone be honest about what they can and can’t or arnt willing to give instead of making empty agreements they can’t keep. Way more damaging to a r/ship where you don’t follow through with something you said you would, especially if you know how important it is to the other person
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Post by iz42 on Mar 14, 2020 3:46:28 GMT
I agree. My experience with my ex was like this; amazing when we were together.he was super sweet, easy going, loving, accepting etc, but then there was the distancing, withholding his true feelings and needs, and inability to commit/make future plans. Classic FA. Yep same. Really awesome times when we were together...but then it would be me texting him to say hi and him not responding for hours/days. And then it was him having other plans/work that prevented him from coming over...to some degree it was legitimate....and I was convinced it was my problem...that I was expecting too much and not really appreciating what time he did give me...but it did feel so much like he was pulling away, not just that he was taking care of himself. This was my experience too, exactly. Honestly it seems important to keep in mind that many secure people would also feel anxious in your position caro, they just might handle it differently. As someone with AP tendencies I found that my brain was really obsessed with the intermittent reinforcement because I thought I could make it change. If I just chilled out or became more attractive, he would be more consistent. The fact was that there was nothing I could have done because it's just his pattern.
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 14, 2020 20:34:08 GMT
Yep same. Really awesome times when we were together...but then it would be me texting him to say hi and him not responding for hours/days. And then it was him having other plans/work that prevented him from coming over...to some degree it was legitimate....and I was convinced it was my problem...that I was expecting too much and not really appreciating what time he did give me...but it did feel so much like he was pulling away, not just that he was taking care of himself. This was my experience too, exactly. Honestly it seems important to keep in mind that many secure people would also feel anxious in your position caro , they just might handle it differently. As someone with AP tendencies I found that my brain was really obsessed with the intermittent reinforcement because I thought I could make it change. If I just chilled out or became more attractive, he would be more consistent. The fact was that there was nothing I could have done because it's just his pattern. Same with the “ being more chill”....I really thought if I was just more chill, it would have changed the dynamic.
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Post by dhali on Mar 14, 2020 21:10:36 GMT
It’s not about being more chill. It’s about being more confident. The irony is, if you were more confident, you wouldn’t stand for it. Catch-22.
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Post by amber on Mar 14, 2020 21:48:47 GMT
Who wants to be in a r/ship where they have to be chill all the time? How’s that going to bode long term? For me the most important thing is to be myself. If you feel you have to alter yourself it’s not sustainable long term. We all have emotions and get antsy, worked up etc at times. the men I’ve been with that appeared “chill” all the time were shut down, numbed out, and emotionally disconnected.
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 15, 2020 1:40:04 GMT
Who wants to be in a r/ship where they have to be chill all the time? How’s that going to bode long term? For me the most important thing is to be myself. If you feel you have to alter yourself it’s not sustainable long term. We all have emotions and get antsy, worked up etc at times. the men I’ve been with that appeared “chill” all the time were shut down, numbed out, and emotionally disconnected. I understand...but I felt “waaaaaaaay” over the mark in terms of being emotional....and I thought, if I can just stop that....just be “ok” with what I was getting....then it would work. And I do think B was shut down, numbed out and emotionally unavailable...but I thought that would change if I could just be chill.
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Post by nyc718 on Mar 15, 2020 1:41:50 GMT
Who wants to be in a r/ship where they have to be chill all the time? How’s that going to bode long term? For me the most important thing is to be myself. If you feel you have to alter yourself it’s not sustainable long term. We all have emotions and get antsy, worked up etc at times. the men I’ve been with that appeared “chill” all the time were shut down, numbed out, and emotionally disconnected. I have to agree. If you can't be yourself in a relationship, is it even a real relationship? If you are constantly having to monitor your words or actions, the question should be WHY do I have to do this?? Two people who care about each other and are able to be vulnerable and respect each other, and each take responsibility for their own growth, and accountability to the other, that's what I am looking for, and I'm not going to settle for less. If I can't be real and he can't be real, then I don't want it. I had written about a friend of mine whose FA bf had been doing the back and forth with her, breaking up with her to then call her WITHIN an hour to backtrack, and she finally said enough. Well, they are back on track, he is definitely making an effort. She went away to Europe after the last "breakup" and she said that's exactly what she needed, time and physical space away. He called her the entire time, and when she came back they talked, and she said they cannot keep on that same pattern. They have been working out a new dynamic, and when they fall into old patterns, she calmly tells him, I am feeling triggered, I don't know if it's because of this or that, but it's how I'm feeling. And he has been asking her if it's because of him or whatever situation may be going on, and they have been working together on both their triggers. I find it very hopeful. I think he's much more aware than any of my ex FAs, so he's got a leg up in that way, but I admire the fact that she put her foot down and was articulate about exactly what was wrong and why, and how it was making her feel. I know not everyone will respond as well, but it worked for her, and it looks like they care about each other enough to work on the relationship, as challenging as it is. Some things are worth the effort.
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Post by faithopelove on Mar 15, 2020 8:39:05 GMT
Question for the group— and this may be more suitable for AP board, but — has anyone experienced this? Things in person with FA are so good (last night included), like nothing is really wrong, a little bit of anxiety on my part cause that's just how I am in general (and maybe a little beginning awkwardness on his part cause that's how he is) but NOTHING even close in comparison to how I get with time apart (like after the first couple of days after a hangout). It makes me think I'm crazy or well, that my abandonment issues are way bigger than I thought. Like am I just blowing things out of portion and looking at everything to be distrustful, reasons for him to disregard or leave me? Then just letting these stories build in my head? And that our texting style — which I'm contributing to — just doesn't help? And it's not even because I'm longing to spend time with him... I mean I do like to spend time with him, but, it's all about the fear of him leaving / abandoning me. Just feeling like I've been so overly dramatic, but it all felt so real and deeply worrisome. And I'm sure it'll come back within me... I mean, I guess. Maybe this is the crux of being AP, but I wondered if anyone else in their relationships had experienced this. caro - It sounds like you’re taking responsibility for his crazy making. His actions cause you to doubt yourself and feel insecure. If you were with a secure, predictable and stable person, then you wouldn’t be in this confused state. Yours is a natural reaction that any person would have.
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