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Post by alexandra on Jul 27, 2020 20:38:47 GMT
fearfulanxious, have you discussed this with the guy at all? Said you're not used to dating men with opposite gender roommates, and is there anything you should know about their history? But then you need to take him at his word if he says there's nothing to worry about.
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Post by alexandra on Jul 27, 2020 20:40:07 GMT
Btw, I've had male roommates, and I wouldn't live with someone there was any romantic tension with if we weren't already dating. They weren't threats to anyone else I might be seeing, and vice-versa.
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Post by alexandra on Jul 27, 2020 21:34:59 GMT
Did you only say you are feeling confused? That is really unclear in regards to what the problem is. It's fair to be direct and say what the problem is, and ask what I said in my last message.
Just because she has bad boundaries doesn't mean he does. So far he hasn't given you a reason not to trust him. It sounds like there is a communication problem, though.
If he assures you nothing is going on, then it's also totally fair for you to say you're uncomfortable with her making jokes at your expense. If he's mature, he'll talk to her about it and ask her to stop.
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Post by alice on Jul 27, 2020 21:55:35 GMT
I have a couple of close male friends I talk with consistently and have zero romantic interest in. I keep talking to them when I'm dating or in a relationship because they are my friends. I've taken trips with these men as well. We get along, but again zero interest. I would say I sometimes feel fondness towards these men also. Just because she is a female and they spend time together doesn't necessarily mean anything.
I don't really think her joke is great though. I don't know that it means anything. But it's really not a great joke to make to someone new in his life and I get how you feel about it. It may be possessive. Maybe she likes him but it's not reciprocated? OR.... just a bad joke. I get the confusion and also it's such a weird conversation to have early on, but I agree with Alexandra that you should communicate to him and ask him questions about it.
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Post by fearfulanxious on Jul 27, 2020 22:17:14 GMT
And I must mention, as a concept I am not objecting to having a female roommate. Never been in this situation though, so not sure. But as a concept I am fine with it if I feel it is platonic and the roommate is respectful towards the "relationship". It might not be my favorite living arrangement but it would not be straight away a dealbreaker for me.
This is also why I am surprised that I am feeling this alarmed and hurt by it.
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Post by fearfulanxious on Jul 27, 2020 22:57:24 GMT
Please someone talk to me
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Post by alice on Jul 27, 2020 23:24:48 GMT
Okay, so I think you're focused on the joke more than you are the roommate idea or the time they spend together. I can understand feeling that way. I can also understand feeling like this is an issue, her as a roommate, etc. (if you sense she is possessive of him). I have dated men who had issues with my male friends ...or beyond that...when I just was trying to make new friends (after moving) and I was grilled about any male who talked to me. It was suffocating. If someone gets to know me, they will know I have a strong moral base and will not be pursuing other men if I am in a committed relationship. That doesn't mean I won't need space etc or to deal with my attachment issues. That is what it gets down to here. You likely don't know him well enough and I would say you need to do the best that you can to not get so attached to someone you don't know well enough. Tall order for people with attachment issues.
I know you aren't committed to him yet, but you need to find out what he is looking for and how he conducts himself in relationships. You really need to ask him questions, but I would say you need to collect yourself some first. I don't know if this helps, but I always tell myself if someone isn't trustworthy, whoever dates them after me will be in a mess of a situation anyway, and I don't want any of that drama, and I'm much better off. There is someone more honorable out there for me. You need to give him a chance to be honest about that situation.
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Post by alexandra on Jul 27, 2020 23:32:36 GMT
fearfulanxious , it is very good that you stopped to try to understand your feelings here instead of just acting out with your triggered state -- because you very clearly are triggered! The fact you are aware of that though and stopping to question it means you've certainly done some early attachment work so far, so keep that up. I have found that when an AP or FA is triggered anxious, it is because something has brought up their fear of abandonment. This might be real or it might be projection from an earlier time in life that seems like it is because of the current situation but actually has nothing to do with the other person. It's good you're asking that question (is it you or is it a warning sign that you should run away from him). Sitting with issues, connecting with yourself to see why you feel a certain way about something, and if it's really a you problem (ie projection from the fearful avoidant attachment issues), a him problem (ie he's not communicating well, is being immature, is acting out for reasons that have nothing to do with YOU but are about his issues), or a problem between the two of you together (incompatibility in the relationship). It sounds like, in this case, you do not know him well enough yet to know if it's a "him" problem, but you know that jealousy and fear of abandonment is a you problem. You would be triggered this way with anyone in a similar situation, and it is not because he did something (yet) that he knew was disrespectful of you or your boundaries. It is very scary in this situation for someone with an insecure attachment style to share your needs and feel vulnerable. That is why you do not know how to bring this up "maturely." When someone is triggered anxious, they do not know how to emotionally self-regulate and want someone else to make it better. They want connection to soothe their anxiety. But they are afraid that sharing their thoughts and asking for this will repulse or scare the other person away, most likely because this was all learned from similar experiences earlier in life from someone who did not make you feel safe but who you also had to emotionally regulate (ie situations where instead of a parent parenting their child, the child has to figure out how to soothe and parent the adult... then when the child grows up, they don't know how to soothe themselves but feel they must be hypervigilent to the feelings of others). The solution is to practice sharing your thoughts, to communicate directly, and be vulnerable, even if it is scary. I had to force myself to do this over a year or two, even though I'd be scared to say what I wanted in case the other person thought it was too needy and left, but practice doing this with the people you care about is necessary! If it is someone you can trust, you will see that a small conflict will not cause the connection to break. If it is a person who will be good in a relationship, they will listen to what you have to say and work with you to see if the two of you can solve the problem. If the person has their own attachment issues and gets triggered because you are bringing up an issue important to you and they either get angry or shut down, then that is going to be a difficult person to have a healthy romantic relationship with while you are also, on your own, working out your attachment issues and trying to get more secure. What I see is happening from what you've posted is you are very scared to admit how you feel in case he responds in a way that hurts you, so your FA pattern is telling you to run away instead of talking to him. However, because you have not communicated your needs or how you feel with him and he doesn't know them, he is not working with you to fix the problem since he cannot read your mind... but since you feel fear, the longer it is not feeling addressed the "worse" you feel that he hasn't fixed it already. Then you feel unsafe, like he doesn't respect your boundaries or defend you, and so want to push him away. If you try to protect yourself by taking distance and not telling him the problem, you will sabotage the relationship. Relationships need good communication on both sides, and you cannot control his side or mindread his side or expect him to be able to read your mind, but you can practice being a good communicator on your end and talk through how you feel. This will start to build trust, as you will see if he respects your boundaries and your needs or not. That is why I am saying this is partially a communication problem and that the only way to feel better in a constructive way is talk to him. I think how I phrased it before is good. You have never dated someone with a female roommate, and you feel confused because it honestly makes you a little uncomfortable. So you will feel better if you two can talk about it a little, how he knows her originally, and if there's anything you should know that's ever happened between them before. Again, if he answers your questions and says everything is okay, then you respond thank you for answering my questions. I do not want this to cause a problem between us and respect that you are just roommates. The only thing I'm still uncomfortable about is she does make some jokes at my expense, and I would feel better about it if she wouldn't do that. It is a new situation I am still getting used to, and that will be easier if the jokes stop. If he thinks you are making too big a deal or tells you to suck it up and the jokes are funny or whatever... then you are learning information about whether or not you should trust him. He is showing you if you can trust him by whether or not he'll be respectful and take you seriously. If he doesn't, then it shows he may not be a compatible match because you deserve respect. That doesn't mean he's bad or you're bad or even that the roommate is bad, it just is what it is. On your own, as you deal with your FA style, you fear abandonment because you don't know how to self-regulate your emotions and don't have all the tools to not abandon yourself. So to counteract fear of abandonment on your own, separate from a relationship, is about building your self-esteem and self-acceptance. So, working on it in a relationship involves practicing good communication. On your own, you also need to work on this self-esteem -- no partner is responsible for giving that you, only you are responsible for it yourself. Partners should act respectfully and with good boundaries and communication, but if he hasn't given you a reason to distrust him yet, and you like him, don't write him off yet. Have you been working with a therapist on healing your attachment issues up to this point?
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Post by anne12 on Jul 28, 2020 1:31:53 GMT
..At the end of the evening I dropped both of them home and the guy asked the flatmate...
Why was the flatmate in your car ? Aren't you dating this guy alone by yourself or ?
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Post by annieb on Jul 28, 2020 3:28:31 GMT
There is no problem having an opposite gender roommate, many people have them and there are no issues. Her saying she will "steal your man" is weird and inconsiderate. I wouldn't worry about the statement beyond her realizing she will need to find a new person to spend her free time with.
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Post by alexandra on Jul 28, 2020 3:36:03 GMT
There is no problem having an opposite gender roommate, many people have them and there are no issues. Her saying she will "steal your man" is weird and inconsiderate. I wouldn't worry about the statement beyond her realizing she will need to find a new person to spend her free time with. That's true. I'd have never said that to someone my male roommates brought over, especially if they were interested in the woman! Maybe she just has a lousy sense of humor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 5:52:52 GMT
There're attachment issues and there're red flags and sometimes the two coincide. Her saying things like this is one red flag but it is unclear what the red flag is about. It could be just her as inconsiderate/weird/jealous/whatever, him as putting out vibes on her, and them as potentially having a "thing" ill-defined/undeclared. It seems to me that you are unsure if your discomfort is because there's a red flag or because you're just getting triggered - my guess is that it's both. Your title is her giving you anxiety, but I think that his lack of response to whatever she's doing is what is anxiety inducing.
Like what everyone is saying here, it's how he responds that matters the most. You just need to bring this up and say it's strange that she has said these things, and in the context of them spending much time together, you are wondering where that came from. Then see how he reacts/responds and you can take it from there. If someone truly cares about you/the relationship, regardless of the official status, they would adjust their behaviors to protect the relationship. If they do not take you seriously nor respond in action, then it's clear that this relationship has no grounding even if you two really like each other. This is true, I believe, at any stage of the relationship.
You don't have to trust him - trust is earned over time. benefit of doubt can be given, but trust takes time and action to build and solidify. At the moment, I don't see any "action" from him, so it's still an open road ahead as to where this goes.
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Post by fearfulanxious on Jul 28, 2020 10:13:56 GMT
Thank you so much for writing such long answers for me here :') These are all very insightful and helpful... I will answer each of you longer replies later today!
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Post by fearfulanxious on Jul 28, 2020 16:29:12 GMT
There is no problem having an opposite gender roommate, many people have them and there are no issues. Her saying she will "steal your man" is weird and inconsiderate. I wouldn't worry about the statement beyond her realizing she will need to find a new person to spend her free time with. I also felt it was inconsiderate and weird, I like your confident attitude to this, wish I could get my mind there too!
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Post by fearfulanxious on Jul 28, 2020 16:41:05 GMT
Okay, so I think you're focused on the joke more than you are the roommate idea or the time they spend together. I can understand feeling that way. I can also understand feeling like this is an issue, her as a roommate, etc. (if you sense she is possessive of him). I have dated men who had issues with my male friends ...or beyond that...when I just was trying to make new friends (after moving) and I was grilled about any male who talked to me. It was suffocating. If someone gets to know me, they will know I have a strong moral base and will not be pursuing other men if I am in a committed relationship. That doesn't mean I won't need space etc or to deal with my attachment issues. That is what it gets down to here. You likely don't know him well enough and I would say you need to do the best that you can to not get so attached to someone you don't know well enough. Tall order for people with attachment issues. I know you aren't committed to him yet, but you need to find out what he is looking for and how he conducts himself in relationships. You really need to ask him questions, but I would say you need to collect yourself some first. I don't know if this helps, but I always tell myself if someone isn't trustworthy, whoever dates them after me will be in a mess of a situation anyway, and I don't want any of that drama, and I'm much better off. There is someone more honorable out there for me. You need to give him a chance to be honest about that situation. Yes exactly, I don't know him well at all at this point. So I should place a lot of trust now in a person that I don't know that well yet. I guess trust in a sense is not the issue for me, but letting myself get attached and feel all these emotions and like and care for him makes me feel very vulnerable and I don't like to feel that way when I feel it is unsafe... Difficult to explain what I really mean... And you are correct, I am very much focused on the joke and what it implied... I in a way feel he is in fact reliable, but to what extend, I am still unsure...
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