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Post by leavethelighton on Oct 12, 2017 0:03:21 GMT
Has anyone who is somewhat avoidant towards person A found that you can become totally anxious towards person B if B is equally or more avoidant than you are? I find this interesting-- that someone isn't avoidant or anxious towards everyone, but that it can depend upon what the other person is.
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Post by learningstill on Oct 12, 2017 1:58:40 GMT
I'm guessing, only if you don't know anything about attachment theory. I never dated in my teens. Then during my 20s I had a number of relationships, all lasting under a year, that followed a similar pattern ... I would pursue, and then progressively panic more and more once it became established, until a breakup for one reason or another. In hindsight, this was avoidant attachment, more fearful than dismissive in my case probably. Then in my 30s I met someone that was very DA, although I didn't know it at the time. It lasted 2 1/2 years, mainly because I got to fill the pursuer role the whole time because her avoidance was more severe then mine ... it just never reached the stable level where my panic would normally start. And when she ended it, suddenly and unexpectedly of course, I was the one who was devastated. I'm talking about the final axe here, we broke up a number of times for a days to 2 weeks over the time. It was only in the aftermath and struggling to understand that I learned about attachment for the first time.
Basically, avoidants are good at the initial phase, the pursuing phase. And this relationship allowed me to be in the pursuing phase for over 2 years. So the panic that sets in after that phase never happened. And at the end, I turned into the anxious one because she was far more avoidant than me. None of this is a good picture though, it's all very dysfunctional. And it would never have happened if I had known what I know now about this stuff.
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Post by howpredictable on Oct 12, 2017 1:59:26 GMT
Absolutely. That's my story, actually. It's what brought me to this site.
I have been Avoidant during my entire dating history, until I met and started dating a much more severely Dismissive Avoidant guy. We dated almost 4 years.... and right from the beginning I switched into being Anxious. His severe Avoidance triggered my Anxiousness. We broke up about 6 months ago, and now I'm back to my normal Avoidant Attachment self.
It's not that surprising, since both Avoidant and Anxious Attachment are rooted in childhood attachment injuries; they just manifest differently.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 6:49:15 GMT
Absolutely - I am avoidant ish - have always been so in previous relationships until I met a severely FA man - we ended up in the pursuit phase for our whole relationship so he was never trigerred but I became more and more anxious. Not a pretty picture
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 20:51:25 GMT
Thank you all for the insight. Can you describe the degree of your own avoidant pattern (eg. seeing each other only once a week, texting 2times a week...) vs your DA/FA partners' more avoidant pattern (eg. seeing each other only once a fortnight, texting once a week...etc.), so the comparison becomes clearer?
Sorry if it's too personal, but am curious to hear. I wonder if I'm somewhat avoidant, or just really picky, as I turned down many great guys but fell for 2 Avoidants.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 21:39:36 GMT
Thank you all for the insight. Can you describe the degree of your own avoidant pattern (eg. seeing each other only once a week, texting 2times a week...) vs your DA/FA partners' more avoidant pattern (eg. seeing each other only once a fortnight, texting once a week...etc.), so the comparison becomes clearer? Sorry if it's too personal, but am curious to hear. I wonder if I'm somewhat avoidant, or just really picky, as I turned down many great guys but fell for 2 Avoidants. I am not great at emotional attachment - don't really feel jealousy, happy with my own company but still desire connection with my partner, ideally live together but seperate maybe houses next door to each other so each can have space, see each other a couple of times a week but despite this believe in marriage, monogamy etc - I've been married but found I lost myself to the needs of kids, very domineering husband. I believe in love, compassion and respect within a relationship even if I can't handle the kind of constant closeness that many couples manage. Ex - 48 never married, one child (unintentional pregnancy) Marriage or the thought of it brings him out in cold sweat. Doesn't want cohabitation, quite content with one or two dates a week, no hanging out together. Said I love you once in 7 years (early on when he was drunk) end of relationship I said I was finding some things difficult and wanted to ask for his help - his answer was "Whatever you want" - counselling " I can't see the point" . I think it takes two people to make a relationship healthy and functional but in this one all the pressure was on me. I know in my marriage my ex husband pushed for counselling etc but by that time I had checked out so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 12:20:25 GMT
I am not great at emotional attachment - don't really feel jealousy, happy with my own company but still desire connection with my partner, ideally live together but seperate maybe houses next door to each other so each can have space, see each other a couple of times a week but despite this believe in marriage, monogamy etc - I've been married but found I lost myself to the needs of kids, very domineering husband. I believe in love, compassion and respect within a relationship even if I can't handle the kind of constant closeness that many couples manage. Ex - 48 never married, one child (unintentional pregnancy) Marriage or the thought of it brings him out in cold sweat. Doesn't want cohabitation, quite content with one or two dates a week, no hanging out together. Said I love you once in 7 years (early on when he was drunk) end of relationship I said I was finding some things difficult and wanted to ask for his help - his answer was "Whatever you want" - counselling " I can't see the point" . I think it takes two people to make a relationship healthy and functional but in this one all the pressure was on me. I know in my marriage my ex husband pushed for counselling etc but by that time I had checked out so to speak. What you described is almost verbatim for how I described an ideal living situation to a friend whom I suspected is Avoidant - that ideally it should be two connected homes, similar to hotel connected suites, where both partners can choose to either spend time together like a regular couple or discreetly give each other alone time, in a long term monogamous relationship. I might feel jealous if my partner is flirting with someone but usually am fine with friends of the opposite sex. I'm faithful myself, and uninterested in affairs. My NPD ex though, was very withholding. I like physical intimacy, therefore not avoidant that way. However, I do need private space, alone time, and also I sleep better by myself as I'm a light sleeper and will feel too conscious with someone watching me sleep. I also feel very awkward if someone is around when I use the bathroom, and find it especially difficult when I travel. I always thought it could be primal instincts as many women I know are this way - i.e. fear of being attacked while unprepared dating back to cave women time!
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Post by leavethelighton on Nov 7, 2017 3:03:37 GMT
Interesting....the avoidant person I spoke of above ALSO almost verbatim described the same ideal living situation of two connected homes, etc. etc. It must be quite the common avoidant fantasy!
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Post by neosporin on Dec 15, 2017 4:51:04 GMT
Interesting....the avoidant person I spoke of above ALSO almost verbatim described the same ideal living situation of two connected homes, etc. etc. It must be quite the common avoidant fantasy! Chiming in... same thing here. Eerie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 15:58:58 GMT
I wonder if this has to do with the severity of the avoidance. I have been DA with every romantic partner and I can't imagine being attracted to another DA. I wonder if those who switch depending on the person are less avoidant or more a mixture of both?
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 15, 2017 20:03:53 GMT
I wonder if this has to do with the severity of the avoidance. I have been DA with every romantic partner and I can't imagine being attracted to another DA. I wonder if those who switch depending on the person are less avoidant or more a mixture of both? I am curious as well....I have always been AP with my partners....but I believe I have been drawn to men with DA (possibly FA) styles.
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Post by aha on Mar 9, 2018 8:44:25 GMT
Yes definitely. I think it feels safe to pursue when there is someone else who creates distance and sometimes quite fun to be in the alternate position. It is horrible always feeling you need to run away from the other person. In my experience of dating other avoidants, it has either gone nowhere or there has been a battle for who retains the most power (by being avoidant). The only person I fell for deeply was highly avoidant, but after a year or so in his current relationship seems to be very expressive about his feelings for his partner (at least on Facebook). Different combinations I guess!
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Post by nic on Mar 9, 2018 20:49:09 GMT
I am experiencing this in my current situation. Ive always been the one to create the distance and be completely turned off by anyone requiring too much of my emotions. As an avoidant the attraction to another avoidant is appealing because they give you space, dont push for more closeness and dont call you out on any of your avoidant behaviors.
In my case, my guy is so much more avoidant than me that Ive become anxious. And let me tell you, avoidants who have never crossed over may not agree, but life was soooo much easier being the avoidant. As an avoidant I was in complete control of the situation. As an AP I feel like a crazy person. It was much easier to be the one who didnt care as much, the one who was annoyed, the one who could say with ease that I like my space. Now im the one pining for time, love and acceptance. Not fun! And when I was done.. I was done! Now when im done he convinces me to come back so we can play the game all over again.
When Im ready and able to get out of this situation I will have a new understanding for what the other side is going through and will hopefully grow from it.
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Post by howpredictable on Oct 13, 2018 21:17:52 GMT
When Im ready and able to get out of this situation I will have a new understanding for what the other side is going through and will hopefully grow from it. I'm habitually DA, but when involved with someone more severely so, I turn Anxious. And compared to being DA, It. Is. Exhausting.
Not even counting the lack of control (which I hate) but also the constant ruminating, plotting, examining. It takes up so much time and headspace. So much easier to be DA.
Although the experience of being temporarily Anxious makes me so much better positioned to understand what AP people go through... I will admit that sadly it doesn't help me become more attracted to them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 2:15:26 GMT
When Im ready and able to get out of this situation I will have a new understanding for what the other side is going through and will hopefully grow from it. I'm habitually DA, but when involved with someone more severely so, I turn Anxious. And compared to being DA, It. Is. Exhausting.
Not even counting the lack of control (which I hate) but also the constant ruminating, plotting, examining. It takes up so much time and headspace. So much easier to be DA.
Although the experience of being temporarily Anxious makes me so much better positioned to understand what AP people go through... I will admit that sadly it doesn't help me become more attracted to them.
what does an avoidant flipped to anxious ruminate about? is it the same kind of rumination AP's describe? like, is it about feeling unlovable or unworthy, or what you could have done differebtly, etc etc? what do you plot? what do you examine? just trying to understand. this all gets so confusing. i felt some anxiety at one point in an avoidant:avoidant pairing but it was easy to shut that mental cycle off once i i recognized it was overpowering. so i'm not sure if it counts, if you can turn it off. it's all so confusing. i've spent too much time in my head about a relationship with an avoidant but it doesn't feel like what anxious describe. who the heck knows, i don't know. haha.
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