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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 19:16:59 GMT
You didn't "mess up". You and your gf are a "system" that inter-connect... you both have wounds that need healing, and they were going to come up and out one way or another. Sad or difficult as it might be to see or believe, both of you played a role in triggering each other to bring these things to the surface that need attention and healing. And likely you seeing your gf as a bit "weak" or childlike (common with CPTSD trauma and being able to make decisions/passivity/learned helplessness) triggers you, worrying about someone being dependent on you or not "whole"... in the way that your mom was unreliable and dependent. OF course, that thought SHOULD scare you, as it would any healthy person. And if I really wanted to fark with your mind, I would point out that likely you knew this about your GF and chose her because of this similarity (unconsciously) in order to trigger these wounds and/or re-enact this pattern of dependency in a desire to "fix" your mother and her ways from the past. Look up "imago theory". But that is a bit deep for now. ;-) It is important to see "conflict" as simply just an opportunity for growth and healing, and meant to be, as it is. You come across as having an immense sense of self-awareness that is growing every day, and that bodes very well for your healing journey. I am impressed. Neither of you are bad people, nor deserve to have had these things happen... it's just that bad things happened "to" you. It's not your fault, but it is now your responsibility. But the way to "fix" all this is not to fix the "Relationship"... this has nothing to do with that, actually. The way to "fix" all this is to fix the childhood wounds that both of you carry, and then the relationship fixes itself. Cheers. edit: To be very clear, maybe or maybe not you two are meant for each other... but the patterns and conflict you both are experiencing is actually projections from the past, and not actually about the present moment. So to "fix" the relationship that is trying to work in the present moment, you both have to heal the wounds that are bubbling up from past events - this is what is blocking that possibility. And Thais video might be this one, not positive... youtu.be/j12Q4FZhpvII appreciate the kind words -- I've always been overly self-awareness, which has helped me in my professional life, as my career requires hyper-vigilance and reading people. I'm really working every day on myself and proud of that. Last night I told my dad all this and he said it's been clear for a while I have PTSD symptoms, and that he's really proud of me for figuring it out and that now is the time to fix it. I did ask him about any issues with my mom and he said he was the one who would wake up in the middle of the night for me because 1) I'm the youngest of four and 2) she developed Meniere's disease while pregnant with me. He said he can't really talk about anything else cause he wasn't there during the day, because he would wake up, go to the gym early and then work until 6/7 until he retired. My therapist has always said that my ex and I's biggest problem was we didn't know how to fight. That's increasingly true now. Outside of the daily work on myself, what are some immediate steps I can take with my ex-girlfriend. I do want to fix the relationship. I feel (and my therapist agrees) that my ex still is a good fit for me and I don't want to change who she is -- she's really patient, she is pretty independent, she's caring, she's an amazing listener, and she's family oriented, all qualities that I want (the only ambivalence I have is communication but that's a two-way street anyway). She just requires a little more dependence. And deep down having her rely on me boosts my self-esteem. Should I show her she can depend on me and trust me? I'm honestly just kind of tired talking about myself to her because I think it triggers her. I just really wanna listen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 15:58:32 GMT
Another update: I discussed all this with my therapist and he told me last week that I have avoidant personality disorder and disorganized attachment. It's been eye-opening to say the least. But it's kind of comforting to know that I finally know what's wrong with me -- and empowering to take the steps I need to deal with it. I'm realizing that I've been carrying a lot of guilt from my childhood, so just acting like my own defense attorney, recognizing what makes me happy and reminding myself of that, practicing mindfulness, and telling myself my childhood trauma was not my fault has really helped. I'm also doing a better job of trying to recognize my emotions as opposed to my thoughts, with the emotional word wheel. I literally never would have made it to this point without this board, so I'm grateful for this community here.
The flip-side is just how much regret I feel from how I handled my relationship. I just feel like I'm now seeing my life through a different lens and am just filled with so many regrets. I really hurt the person who made me the happiest in this world -- all because of this core belief that I'm never allowed to be happy, my sensitivity to negativity, my difficulties expressing myself, and my hesitancy/inability to get out of my comfort zone.
The last time I spoke with ex was before my therapist told me about the AvPD. I just told her that I was thankful for her for respecting my boundaries and that I've learned a lot about myself, I'm working on dismantling core negative beliefs I hold about myself and that I'd love to share more when the time is right. I told her I wanted to do a better job of respecting her boundaries and listening. I told her I recognize there is a lack of trust and anger.
She responded and said she doesn't know what I'm talking about regarding anger and trust and that I don't need to feel like I owe her an explanation. She said that right now we're on different paths apart from each other and that she's enjoying doing her own thing. She said it's okay to check-in once in a while but that it's me time for both of us. I told her I appreciated her telling me her boundaries and that I'll respect that. But I also told her that I still want to be with her and that if she feels the same she should reach out.
It's been a little over a week and no response. I'm really proud of myself for making myself emotionally vulnerable, as this was the first time I've told her that I still want to be with her since we broke up. I also feel good that she didn't just deny me.
The hardest part is my feelings for her are potentially the strongest they've ever been right now. I've been doing a much better job of focusing on myself, and I think less and less every day about what she's up to. I just oddly trust the situation in life will work out. But today I logged on to Facebook and saw she liked something about how quitting is for winners, and that knowing when to leave a toxic situation is the strongest skill to have. It hurts that she feels our relationship was toxic.
I want to tell her I'm sorry and that her feelings were always valid, explain to her why I acted the way I did, that I love her, and what I'm doing to make sure it doesn't happen again. But I'm smart enough to know I shouldn't do that right now, so I figured I'd post all that here instead.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 1, 2021 17:26:17 GMT
She responded and said she doesn't know what I'm talking about regarding anger and trust and that I don't need to feel like I owe her an explanation. She said that right now we're on different paths apart from each other and that she's enjoying doing her own thing. She said it's okay to check-in once in a while but that it's me time for both of us. I told her I appreciated her telling me her boundaries and that I'll respect that. But I also told her that I still want to be with her and that if she feels the same she should reach out.
Can you honor what she said above about the 2 of you being on different paths? It sounds like she isn’t looking for your apology or validation of her feelings. Can you be ok with letting that go? Part of what I do a lot and have seen in other FAs is this need to make things right. Address a perceived wrong that I did so that the other person does not have a negative view of me. But in that desire to make things right, I tend to make assumptions about the other person...and I tend to place more value on my wanting to make amends rather then hearing the other person saying whether the amends are really needed. Have you asked her to clarify what she means about the 2 of you being on different paths? It might provide you with insight into whether she sees a future with you or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 18:14:35 GMT
She responded and said she doesn't know what I'm talking about regarding anger and trust and that I don't need to feel like I owe her an explanation. She said that right now we're on different paths apart from each other and that she's enjoying doing her own thing. She said it's okay to check-in once in a while but that it's me time for both of us. I told her I appreciated her telling me her boundaries and that I'll respect that. But I also told her that I still want to be with her and that if she feels the same she should reach out. Can you honor what she said above about the 2 of you being on different paths? It sounds like she isn’t looking for your apology or validation of her feelings. Can you be ok with letting that go? Part of what I do a lot and have seen in other FAs is this need to make things right. Address a perceived wrong that I did so that the other person does not have a negative view of me. But in that desire to make things right, I tend to make assumptions about the other person...and I tend to place more value on my wanting to make amends rather then hearing the other person saying whether the amends are really needed. Have you asked her to clarify what she means about the 2 of you being on different paths? It might provide you with insight into whether she sees a future with you or not. Thanks for the response. For short: Right now, I'm struggling to honor that... but I'm leaving her alone, so I feel that's the best I can do right now. What I've been working through pretty much since I first posted here was what I want -- as you so perfectly nailed at the start I was all over the place -- and discovering the desire to be with her again. Part of that is whether I actually want to be with her or whether I just can't stand being alone and her being mad at me. I can unequivocally say the former. I had a dream two nights ago about me proposing to her, and her saying yes. Despite dating for six years, I've never really had dreams about a future (I did, however, have thought about it during the day). Yesterday was one of the best days I've had in a long time. I like the idea of clarifying. But biggest anxiety and fear with her right now is digging a deeper hole and pushing her away more. I've felt that every move I make is making things worse. I read the conversation to two friends and my therapist and one friend said I made it sound like I was better off without her (obviously not my intention when it's the opposite). All three said she didn't flat out deny me but rather said she just wants that time alone right now. So I'm trying to honor her that way. I know there is no perfect formula to this, but feel like if she wanted nothing to do with me, she'd just tell me that.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 2, 2021 16:39:31 GMT
She responded and said she doesn't know what I'm talking about regarding anger and trust and that I don't need to feel like I owe her an explanation. She said that right now we're on different paths apart from each other and that she's enjoying doing her own thing. She said it's okay to check-in once in a while but that it's me time for both of us. I told her I appreciated her telling me her boundaries and that I'll respect that. But I also told her that I still want to be with her and that if she feels the same she should reach out. Can you honor what she said above about the 2 of you being on different paths? It sounds like she isn’t looking for your apology or validation of her feelings. Can you be ok with letting that go? Part of what I do a lot and have seen in other FAs is this need to make things right. Address a perceived wrong that I did so that the other person does not have a negative view of me. But in that desire to make things right, I tend to make assumptions about the other person...and I tend to place more value on my wanting to make amends rather then hearing the other person saying whether the amends are really needed. Have you asked her to clarify what she means about the 2 of you being on different paths? It might provide you with insight into whether she sees a future with you or not. Thanks for the response. For short: Right now, I'm struggling to honor that... but I'm leaving her alone, so I feel that's the best I can do right now. What I've been working through pretty much since I first posted here was what I want -- as you so perfectly nailed at the start I was all over the place -- and discovering the desire to be with her again. Part of that is whether I actually want to be with her or whether I just can't stand being alone and her being mad at me. I can unequivocally say the former. I had a dream two nights ago about me proposing to her, and her saying yes. Despite dating for six years, I've never really had dreams about a future (I did, however, have thought about it during the day). Yesterday was one of the best days I've had in a long time. I like the idea of clarifying. But biggest anxiety and fear with her right now is digging a deeper hole and pushing her away more. I've felt that every move I make is making things worse. I read the conversation to two friends and my therapist and one friend said I made it sound like I was better off without her (obviously not my intention when it's the opposite). All three said she didn't flat out deny me but rather said she just wants that time alone right now. So I'm trying to honor her that way. I know there is no perfect formula to this, but feel like if she wanted nothing to do with me, she'd just tell me that. What if she decides she only wants to remain friends...would that be ok for you? When the guy I dated broke up with me, he kept in touch...even wanted to hang out from time to time and I wanted so desperately to believe we could get back together but he just did not want to throw out the friendship with the relationship. I am not saying that is why she is staying in contact...but it isn’t uncommon for some people to want to stay friends.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 23:07:22 GMT
Thanks for the response. For short: Right now, I'm struggling to honor that... but I'm leaving her alone, so I feel that's the best I can do right now. What I've been working through pretty much since I first posted here was what I want -- as you so perfectly nailed at the start I was all over the place -- and discovering the desire to be with her again. Part of that is whether I actually want to be with her or whether I just can't stand being alone and her being mad at me. I can unequivocally say the former. I had a dream two nights ago about me proposing to her, and her saying yes. Despite dating for six years, I've never really had dreams about a future (I did, however, have thought about it during the day). Yesterday was one of the best days I've had in a long time. I like the idea of clarifying. But biggest anxiety and fear with her right now is digging a deeper hole and pushing her away more. I've felt that every move I make is making things worse. I read the conversation to two friends and my therapist and one friend said I made it sound like I was better off without her (obviously not my intention when it's the opposite). All three said she didn't flat out deny me but rather said she just wants that time alone right now. So I'm trying to honor her that way. I know there is no perfect formula to this, but feel like if she wanted nothing to do with me, she'd just tell me that. What if she decides she only wants to remain friends...would that be ok for you? When the guy I dated broke up with me, he kept in touch...even wanted to hang out from time to time and I wanted so desperately to believe we could get back together but he just did not want to throw out the friendship with the relationship. I am not saying that is why she is staying in contact...but it isn’t uncommon for some people to want to stay friends. I've set a boundary with her from the day we broke up that I can't be just friends. Maybe a long time down the line but I've had very little success trying to be friends with exes in the past because the feelings are still there and the in-between makes me uncomfortable. One ex-girlfriend told me for a year after we broke up that she still had feelings for me, yet kept dating other people. Now that I know about attachment theory, she was clearly a DA. When this recent ex told me she missed me on New Year's and for the first time was asking me how I was doing, she sent me a text saying "I hope I'm not being over-friendly with your boundaries." I reiterated that I can't be just friends with her but that sometimes boundaries can be broken (her and her family had COVID, which was why she reached out). She sent an extremely mixed-message text saying she hasn't forgotten that, that she cares about me, that she feels we've handled things okay and that she needs distance sometimes. She then proceeded to text me almost every day for the next week, mostly updates about her dad, who recovered after a COVID scare (Thank God). I definitely see what you're saying, because unfortunately I've been there, but if there is one good boundary I've set it's this. It's also why I was proud of myself for getting to the point where I figured out what I wanted and was able to tell her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 22:23:53 GMT
Just circling back for some more advice, this time about handling ups and downs. Things have been difficult for me since I last posted, but despite that, I was really able to limit my bad days to single days, and was generally having more good days than bad. The last week or so it's just been a string of bad days and I feel myself heading in the wrong direction. It felt like a good time to reach out to the community here.
The biggest trigger for me is I started a new job. It was immediately clear that it wasn't a good fit when, in my second week, my boss screamed at me out of nowhere criticizing me for my time management, which is one of my strongest skills honestly. I stood up for myself and he gave me a half-assed apology saying it was a miscommunication (it wasn't and he never used the words I'm sorry just that he misconstrued the situation). But the damage was done and things have not improved in the two months I've been there. I've been on the edge of quitting since, and have kept working cause it keeps me busy and pays well. Friends have encouraged me to quit, but family has told me to tough it out. I've spent all my free time applying to jobs and finally had a good interview on Friday (fingers crossed).
Meanwhile, my mother, who has BPD and is the source of all my trauma, has really worsened. She's been really depressed throughout the pandemic and is starting fights and screaming at me and my sisters. I'm living at home and my sisters don't. We're in a city I haven't lived for a decade, so I don't have many friends here. That's coupled with the fact that the city I live in is still pretty closed down due to the pandemic, and my family has imposed our own restrictions on what we can do because of high-risk family members. So I spend most of my time working, and when I'm not, I stay in my childhood room, reading, watching shows, or calling/Skyping friends in other cities just to avoid the situation. It's just less than ideal.
Ultimately, I just really hit a wall this week for two big reasons. I hung out with pretty much my only friend here last week, and the day after I saw him, his brother committed suicide. It triggered me because my mom had a suicide attempt when I was in high school, but also because we had been talking about grief on our hike from both our long-term break-ups. One of the things we were talking about was closure, and how you don't get it in a lot of situations, and he brought up the example of when a family member dies all of a sudden. It was a really good chat and then that happened with his brother. I've done all I can to help and I know he's grateful but it's just really tough.
I had also gone on a couple dates with a girl who I really enjoyed talking to and was starting to like. But she appears to have stopped talking to me. After last week's date, I walked her to her car and asked her how it was going and she said really, really good and gave me a hug goodbye (I haven't even hugged my grandma in a year). Then she immediately started getting short with me via text and when I asked her on a third date, she said she had a back injury, and I haven't heard from her since. I can take a hint but it sucks. Dating has honestly has brought out insecurities I didn't previously have. I've found there to be more women who will lie or ghost you, rather than tell you they're not interested. I'm mature enough to appreciate someone telling you straight up that it isn't a good fit!
All this is outside of the obvious problem of my ex-girlfriend, who I haven't heard from directly. About a couple weeks after sending her that last text, she removed almost all the remaining pictures of us together -- but also any evidence of the last couple years existing (pictures of the cat, the city we lived in, etc.). It obviously made me feel like shit, but I took that obvious hint of her wanting nothing to do with me. It actually kind of helped because I was able to adopt a mindset of "All I can do is focus on myself, and if she reaches out, I'll deal with it then." That helped me through the bad days and I've done a good job of focusing on myself.
But then suddenly over the last couple weeks she's been popping up in my life via social media. Two of my best friends got engaged a couple weeks ago (these are such good friends that they literally called me after it happened.) Once they made their announcement, my ex commented on it despite maybe hanging out with them a handful of times (this also came from an account that I don't follow her on). That has just set off two weeks straight of her commenting or liking social media posts of my friends, co-workers, etc. I immediately went on a week-long social media cleanse, but then logged on over the weekend and found her commenting and donating money to a co-worker of mine whose dog had a surgery. I have uninstalled all the apps on my phone.
I've felt really petty and angry at myself for getting mad about social media, as it's never been a problem for me in the past when dealing with exes. But I've had a number of my friends reach out and tell me it was really weird on her behavior as she wasn't doing that for the previous four months. I've figured out that I'm angered by the fact that she erased all existence of me and is ignoring me, but my friends and co-workers, who she would never have met without me, still exist. My insecurity is feeling erased from my own life.
I know the obvious is to block her and I'm getting closer to that point. But I'm hesitant to for many reasons: 1) It wouldn't stop her from interacting with my friends, it would just stop me from seeing it. 2) I've personally always seen blocking as petty -- I've never removed pictures of my exes even when it ended badly, because the memories are parts of my life that I draw on and I don't want to erase them; and 3) Obviously there is a part of me that wishes she would come back, even though I realize it's less likely by the day (I've felt for the last few weeks that I'm never going to directly here from her again).
I guess I just needed a place to rant because I feel the negative thought patterns that I've been able to avoid over the last 1 1/2 months starting to creep back.
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 23, 2021 13:37:24 GMT
Just circling back for some more advice, this time about handling ups and downs. Things have been difficult for me since I last posted, but despite that, I was really able to limit my bad days to single days, and was generally having more good days than bad. The last week or so it's just been a string of bad days and I feel myself heading in the wrong direction. It felt like a good time to reach out to the community here. The biggest trigger for me is I started a new job. It was immediately clear that it wasn't a good fit when, in my second week, my boss screamed at me out of nowhere criticizing me for my time management, which is one of my strongest skills honestly. I stood up for myself and he gave me a half-assed apology saying it was a miscommunication (it wasn't and he never used the words I'm sorry just that he misconstrued the situation). But the damage was done and things have not improved in the two months I've been there. I've been on the edge of quitting since, and have kept working cause it keeps me busy and pays well. Friends have encouraged me to quit, but family has told me to tough it out. I've spent all my free time applying to jobs and finally had a good interview on Friday (fingers crossed). Meanwhile, my mother, who has BPD and is the source of all my trauma, has really worsened. She's been really depressed throughout the pandemic and is starting fights and screaming at me and my sisters. I'm living at home and my sisters don't. We're in a city I haven't lived for a decade, so I don't have many friends here. That's coupled with the fact that the city I live in is still pretty closed down due to the pandemic, and my family has imposed our own restrictions on what we can do because of high-risk family members. So I spend most of my time working, and when I'm not, I stay in my childhood room, reading, watching shows, or calling/Skyping friends in other cities just to avoid the situation. It's just less than ideal. Ultimately, I just really hit a wall this week for two big reasons. I hung out with pretty much my only friend here last week, and the day after I saw him, his brother committed suicide. It triggered me because my mom had a suicide attempt when I was in high school, but also because we had been talking about grief on our hike from both our long-term break-ups. One of the things we were talking about was closure, and how you don't get it in a lot of situations, and he brought up the example of when a family member dies all of a sudden. It was a really good chat and then that happened with his brother. I've done all I can to help and I know he's grateful but it's just really tough. I had also gone on a couple dates with a girl who I really enjoyed talking to and was starting to like. But she appears to have stopped talking to me. After last week's date, I walked her to her car and asked her how it was going and she said really, really good and gave me a hug goodbye (I haven't even hugged my grandma in a year). Then she immediately started getting short with me via text and when I asked her on a third date, she said she had a back injury, and I haven't heard from her since. I can take a hint but it sucks. Dating has honestly has brought out insecurities I didn't previously have. I've found there to be more women who will lie or ghost you, rather than tell you they're not interested. I'm mature enough to appreciate someone telling you straight up that it isn't a good fit! All this is outside of the obvious problem of my ex-girlfriend, who I haven't heard from directly. About a couple weeks after sending her that last text, she removed almost all the remaining pictures of us together -- but also any evidence of the last couple years existing (pictures of the cat, the city we lived in, etc.). It obviously made me feel like shit, but I took that obvious hint of her wanting nothing to do with me. It actually kind of helped because I was able to adopt a mindset of "All I can do is focus on myself, and if she reaches out, I'll deal with it then." That helped me through the bad days and I've done a good job of focusing on myself. But then suddenly over the last couple weeks she's been popping up in my life via social media. Two of my best friends got engaged a couple weeks ago (these are such good friends that they literally called me after it happened.) Once they made their announcement, my ex commented on it despite maybe hanging out with them a handful of times (this also came from an account that I don't follow her on). That has just set off two weeks straight of her commenting or liking social media posts of my friends, co-workers, etc. I immediately went on a week-long social media cleanse, but then logged on over the weekend and found her commenting and donating money to a co-worker of mine whose dog had a surgery. I have uninstalled all the apps on my phone. I've felt really petty and angry at myself for getting mad about social media, as it's never been a problem for me in the past when dealing with exes. But I've had a number of my friends reach out and tell me it was really weird on her behavior as she wasn't doing that for the previous four months. I've figured out that I'm angered by the fact that she erased all existence of me and is ignoring me, but my friends and co-workers, who she would never have met without me, still exist. My insecurity is feeling erased from my own life. I know the obvious is to block her and I'm getting closer to that point. But I'm hesitant to for many reasons: 1) It wouldn't stop her from interacting with my friends, it would just stop me from seeing it. 2) I've personally always seen blocking as petty -- I've never removed pictures of my exes even when it ended badly, because the memories are parts of my life that I draw on and I don't want to erase them; and 3) Obviously there is a part of me that wishes she would come back, even though I realize it's less likely by the day (I've felt for the last few weeks that I'm never going to directly here from her again). I guess I just needed a place to rant because I feel the negative thought patterns that I've been able to avoid over the last 1 1/2 months starting to creep back. Hi there....I am so sorry you are having such a bad time at things. I am at work and can’t fully respond...but let me address this... I know the obvious is to block her and I'm getting closer to that point. But I'm hesitant to for many reasons: 1) It wouldn't stop her from interacting with my friends, it would just stop me from seeing it. 2) I've personally always seen blocking as petty -- I've never removed pictures of my exes even when it ended badly, because the memories are parts of my life that I draw on and I don't want to erase them; and 3) Obviously there is a part of me that wishes she would come back, even though I realize it's less likely by the day (I've felt for the last few weeks that I'm never going to directly here from her again). Blocking isn’t about her...it is for you....it is to help you remove one obstacle from addressing your triggers. In response to your 3 points above...1. The point is so you can address your triggers....her relationship with your friends is between them...you can certainly ask your friends if they would mind removing her....if not, then simply ask them to not provide updates as that triggers you. 2. Again, blocking isn’t about her...it is about healing you through the tools you have available. If you want...you could give her a heads up and time bound it to say 3 months. 3. If she really wants to get in contact with you...there are other avenues...but I think it is a good thing that you recognize that it is not a likely scenario. I know you deeply care about her...I know you don’t want to look like a jerk...but so,times, in order to give ourselves space in order to really work on the triggers, we need to temporarily remove impediments. Also...are you seeing a therapist? It seems like it would help to have another outlet during this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 23:43:18 GMT
Well, I'm back. I was having a realllllllly good stretch until this week.
I was able to channel a lot of energy into focusing on myself. The biggest things I did were 1) Deciding to deactivate my Facebook account; 2) Getting vaccinated, which has allowed me to get out of the house, see friends, go on dates, get out of my toxic home environment, spend time alone when I need it, etc. and 3) Channeling all my energy into getting out of the toxic job I was in.
Luckily I found a new job, but here's the unfortunate catch: It's in the same city as my ex. I had applied to a job in a different city, but it had already been filled. The company liked me and offered me a job in the city she's in. I pushed off making a decision for three weeks and talked to literally more than 60 people about it and made sure to make a decision once I was ready to do so entirely in my own interests. I ultimately decided to take it because it's a really good opportunity, the bosses were really respectful of my needs regarding work-life balance, they're paying me significantly more than any job I've ever worked, and in my line of work, I can't really be picky.
I've been working remotely for the first month and it's early, but so far it's been incredible. My co-workers are great and the work is great and not overwhelming. The only issue I've had is working on a different time zone (I've been exhausted!) and my apprehensiveness about moving to her city and not knowing anyone (but it's very big, there's a lot of young people and I would never have to see her if I don't want to.)
About a week ago, I got a text from a former co-worker that my ex-girlfriend contacted her asking me if I moved to her city. I hadn't posted anything on any social media that I started a new job (I was still getting settled and hadn't made any sort of new job announcement, which is common in my line of work.) I work in a very public-facing industry, so if you went looking for me, you could find where I'm working easily. I basically just told my friend that I can't tell you how to respond, I don't care if she knows cause she was going to find out eventually, and my only request is that you don't get stuck in the middle cause that's unfair to all of us.
Fast-forward about a week and it's just all really hitting me because of the message my ex sent. She basically told my co-worker that she saw I had a new job in her city, told her she was uncomfortable reaching out to me, saying she'd rather not have contact with me and that she was just curious about me. My former co-worker (this is the same friend that my ex kept blowing up her social media posts a few months back) was really uncomfortable about it and reached out to me because they are not close. Honestly I'm glad she did cause I would have been more upset if she didn't.
It's just bringing up all the same feelings again. I'm already hyper-emotional about moving somewhere close to her. My therapist kinda warned me this would happen and that my missing of her would return as I got closer to the moving date. I've been able to handle that by just telling myself my feelings are normal and it's okay. But this has just kinda set me into overdrive because it just feels like continued lack of respect for my boundaries and I'm not sure what she's trying to accomplish besides making me emotionally overwhelmed.
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Post by dullboat123 on Jun 16, 2021 0:16:07 GMT
I think you just need to constantly remind yourself of the Hell she put you through and she is just hoovering back to you without ever wanting or able to commit to you ever again. This is because they have already rip you to shreds in their mind and had relegated you into nothing more than an insect or a vase. Certainly not a romantic partner. Even if she SAY she want to, never trust them. They will not be able to garner the will to be romantic to you ever again because their avoidance will kick in and just end up hurting you all over again. Wanting to know about you is just human nature of being nosey. Doesn't mean that she ever wants to rekindle things. Even if she does, do you want someone that puts in less than the bare minimum in a relationship? You deserve so much more.
Just stay your course and stay away. Some bridges are meant to be burnt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 2:47:15 GMT
I think you just need to constantly remind yourself of the Hell she put you through and she is just hoovering back to you without ever wanting or able to commit to you ever again. This is because they have already rip you to shreds in their mind and had relegated you into nothing more than an insect or a vase. Certainly not a romantic partner. Even if she SAY she want to, never trust them. They will not be able to garner the will to be romantic to you ever again because their avoidance will kick in and just end up hurting you all over again. Wanting to know about you is just human nature of being nosey. Doesn't mean that she ever wants to rekindle things. Even if she does, do you want someone that puts in less than the bare minimum in a relationship? You deserve so much more. Just stay your course and stay away. Some bridges are meant to be burnt. I admittedly had to look up what hoovering was, and I'm not sure if that's what she's doing here. It kinda felt like she was concerned and angry that I was moving there. It's just all made me feel really out of control for the past couple weeks, and I'm having trouble regaining that control in my life. Just ignoring the situation and staying my course is not helping at the moment. Any advice (outside of reaching out to her) would be appreciated.
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Post by tnr9 on Jun 23, 2021 4:04:24 GMT
I think you just need to constantly remind yourself of the Hell she put you through and she is just hoovering back to you without ever wanting or able to commit to you ever again. This is because they have already rip you to shreds in their mind and had relegated you into nothing more than an insect or a vase. Certainly not a romantic partner. Even if she SAY she want to, never trust them. They will not be able to garner the will to be romantic to you ever again because their avoidance will kick in and just end up hurting you all over again. Wanting to know about you is just human nature of being nosey. Doesn't mean that she ever wants to rekindle things. Even if she does, do you want someone that puts in less than the bare minimum in a relationship? You deserve so much more. Just stay your course and stay away. Some bridges are meant to be burnt. I admittedly had to look up what hoovering was, and I'm not sure if that's what she's doing here. It kinda felt like she was concerned and angry that I was moving there. It's just all made me feel really out of control for the past couple weeks, and I'm having trouble regaining that control in my life. Just ignoring the situation and staying my course is not helping at the moment. Any advice (outside of reaching out to her) would be appreciated. I think the best course of action here is to remind yourself that you do not know what she meant by what she said to your coworker…it is just a storyline (guessing) in your head. I had to politely ask a friend not to discuss anything about B with me because it was not helping me to move on….I think it would be beneficial for you to do the same with your coworker. Are there any fun things that you like to do that can take your mind off of this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 4:48:29 GMT
I don't think it's reasonable to try to get inside her head and interpret her motives for asking about you, and it's also not something to put any weight into. People get edgy about their exes all the time. No matter the history, she's going to have her take and you have yours and the two takes will remain forever divergent. Not every ex is an evil narcissistic psychopath, and if you give the "shes out to get me" narrative energy you'd just going to feed drama in your own head. I'm with tnr9, see if you can find positive ways to distract yourself and knuckle through the addictive type of feelings you are feeling- be it craving or withdrawal or something else , it's making you sick. Take good care of yourself, set the boundaries with people who would potentially mention her, and do your best to move on but without all the hanging on to her with persistent anger and resentment as others may advocate for you to do. That's not peace and freedom it's just bitterness, and it prevents people from actually finding the answers they need to create a healthy relationship in the future. You don't want to be that guy popping up with all kinds of rants about your ex, nor the guy who pines after her, so pursue your emotional health as if your life depends upon it because in a way, your GOOD life really does. Some people truly never move on or repeat the same patterns over and over, and that knowledge itself, the knowledge that people really do die bitter and alone, once motivated me to make changes and find a better way to address my own happiness. Anyway, good luck, I'm sure you're a great guy who doesn't deserve a bunch of extra pain so do what you can to not heap any on yourself. I hope you feel better soon.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 8, 2021 14:15:32 GMT
I also think it important to take comments from the perspective of growth opportunities and not blame. People on this site have been when you are and as such, we are merely trying to provide insight from our own insecure relationships. One thing that really helped when I was gyrating on what if’s and if only or trying to decipher something B said or did was to say out loud…the story in my head is…..that way, it becomes less personal and opens up opportunities for that particular story to be incorrect. The reality is you won’t ever truly know the “whys” for her behaviors and actions…..you can only really process your own reactions and behaviors.
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