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Post by movingon15 on May 28, 2021 16:35:08 GMT
I recently broke up with my ex about 2 weeks ago. At the time, we were trying hard to make it work, but it became difficult to overcome some of the issues. After reading and learning more about fearful avoidants, it became so much clearer on why the issues we were constantly dealing with kept re-surfacing. I know she was attempting to work at resolving her own issues with therapy, but she couldn't figure out why she was acting or feeling like the way she was. She always assumed she was bipolar - which could be the case.
Since then, I been debating with myself a lot on whether or not I should send a positive text that tells her I'm proud of her for trying as hard as she could. I also wanted to highlight ,in a subtle and positive way, some of the behaviors that she can avoid or do better. I don't know if this is a terrible idea and I'm not sure how she would react to it.
Despite whatever her reaction is and whatever our situation is, I guess you could say my intentions are to give her a chance at living a better life with healthy relationships. After hearing some of the stories, some people take decades to realize that they might be FA, DA, etc. Maybe a simple text could help bring awareness to her situation.
Is this a terrible idea? Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 16:42:49 GMT
Hi, I think it's a bad idea to point out behaviors to avoid and suggest ways to do better not because you're coming from a bad place but because if she could just choose to avoid behaviors (instinctive self protection) she would- and she will likely feel quite misunderstood and judged and perhaps even hopeless.
I am avoidant and just posted in the support forum on my struggles, and while hers may not be the same, the feelings of being confounded by ourselves and misunderstood are very alienating. If you are able to have compassion but not truly empathize because you aren't avoidant or a trained professional, your efforts will miss the intended mark.
Alternately, you might think of just sharing a link to the Healing Disorganized attachment thread found here , in the General Forum.. with a simple statement of care and support, no advice, maybe share that it was informative to you to understand her possible struggles more and that you truly hope she finds relief from her pain. Leave it to her to seek advice and understanding where she may. And delete this thread before you do that of course lol.
Tread lightly when you don't really know the terrain, I say. You might crush something you didn't intend to.
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Post by annieb on May 28, 2021 17:44:04 GMT
It’s really none of your business how they choose to deal with their issues after the breakup. Rest assured they are already in pain and it’s not something they can easily snap out of. They would feel unsafe if you pointed out how they could “improve”. As introvert pointed out wouldn’t you think they would have already done it if it was so easy to change their responses and behaviors?
Your challenge is to find your reasoning for essentially trying to change them - what is it within you that would rather focus on someone else’s behavior than fix your own reaction? I would explore that.
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Post by tnr9 on May 28, 2021 20:33:54 GMT
I recently broke up with my ex about 2 weeks ago. At the time, we were trying hard to make it work, but it became difficult to overcome some of the issues. After reading and learning more about fearful avoidants, it became so much clearer on why the issues we were constantly dealing with kept re-surfacing. I know she was attempting to work at resolving her own issues with therapy, but she couldn't figure out why she was acting or feeling like the way she was. She always assumed she was bipolar - which could be the case.
Since then, I been debating with myself a lot on whether or not I should send a positive text that tells her I'm proud of her for trying as hard as she could. I also wanted to highlight ,in a subtle and positive way, some of the behaviors that she can avoid or do better. I don't know if this is a terrible idea and I'm not sure how she would react to it.
Despite whatever her reaction is and whatever our situation is, I guess you could say my intentions are to give her a chance at living a better life with healthy relationships. After hearing some of the stories, some people take decades to realize that they might be FA, DA, etc. Maybe a simple text could help bring awareness to her situation.
Is this a terrible idea? Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated.
What about looking into your own side of the fence? What attracted you to someone who is struggling with an attachment issue over someone who was a secure partner? Can you see the boundary of where you end and she begins and respect that, or do you feel it is your job to rescue and save her from herself? (Which is a boundary/enmeshment issue that is very common with anxious preoccupied or anxious leaning FAs).
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 22:21:39 GMT
See I'm learning- I had a delayed reaction to this and didn't pick up on all that but there are some good points being made. I guess it is reasonable to be a little suspect of people coming here trying to learn how to "help" an ex partner. I can't put my finger on it but it seems so... yeah maybe enmeshed and I think it's disrespectful. If you were a source of healing mojo for her then you wouldn't have broken up right? I understand that the disorganized style is difficult to form a relationship with but who would try unless the puzzle piece fit somehow? Different kinds of dysfunction boogie well together, that much we know. And, I'm still not convinced that totally secure people log on here to conduct their relationship business.
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Post by movingon15 on May 29, 2021 0:27:18 GMT
Hi, I think it's a bad idea to point out behaviors to avoid and suggest ways to do better not because you're coming from a bad place but because if she could just choose to avoid behaviors (instinctive self protection) she would- and she will likely feel quite misunderstood and judged and perhaps even hopeless. I am avoidant and just posted in the support forum on my struggles, and while hers may not be the same, the feelings of being confounded by ourselves and misunderstood are very alienating. If you are able to have compassion but not truly empathize because you aren't avoidant or a trained professional, your efforts will miss the intended mark. Alternately, you might think of just sharing a link to the Healing Disorganized attachment thread found here , in the General Forum.. with a simple statement of care and support, no advice, maybe share that it was informative to you to understand her possible struggles more and that you truly hope she finds relief from her pain. Leave it to her to seek advice and understanding where she may. And delete this thread before you do that of course lol. Tread lightly when you don't really know the terrain, I say. You might crush something you didn't intend to. Yeah, those are good points. Ultimately, I just remember during our time together she would be really hard on herself and couldn't understand why she was behaving in a certain way. Our time together was fun, but it ended poorly - I reacted in anger when I broke up.
After learning more about FA, I felt somewhat guilty for my type of reaction.
Do you think it's also a terrible idea to leave just a positive text message then?
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Post by movingon15 on May 29, 2021 0:35:34 GMT
It’s really none of your business how they choose to deal with their issues after the breakup. Rest assured they are already in pain and it’s not something they can easily snap out of. They would feel unsafe if you pointed out how they could “improve”. As introvert pointed out wouldn’t you think they would have already done it if it was so easy to change their responses and behaviors? Your challenge is to find your reasoning for essentially trying to change them - what is it within you that would rather focus on someone else’s behavior than fix your own reaction? I would explore that. Ultimately, I'm not looking to fix or change someone. Our time together was fun, but it ended poorly. After learning more about FA, I felt that she did the best that she could with me. Do you think it's also a bad idea to send/leave her a positive text message?
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Post by movingon15 on May 29, 2021 0:38:18 GMT
I recently broke up with my ex about 2 weeks ago. At the time, we were trying hard to make it work, but it became difficult to overcome some of the issues. After reading and learning more about fearful avoidants, it became so much clearer on why the issues we were constantly dealing with kept re-surfacing. I know she was attempting to work at resolving her own issues with therapy, but she couldn't figure out why she was acting or feeling like the way she was. She always assumed she was bipolar - which could be the case.
Since then, I been debating with myself a lot on whether or not I should send a positive text that tells her I'm proud of her for trying as hard as she could. I also wanted to highlight ,in a subtle and positive way, some of the behaviors that she can avoid or do better. I don't know if this is a terrible idea and I'm not sure how she would react to it.
Despite whatever her reaction is and whatever our situation is, I guess you could say my intentions are to give her a chance at living a better life with healthy relationships. After hearing some of the stories, some people take decades to realize that they might be FA, DA, etc. Maybe a simple text could help bring awareness to her situation.
Is this a terrible idea? Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated.
What about looking into your own side of the fence? What attracted you to someone who is struggling with an attachment issue over someone who was a secure partner? Can you see the boundary of where you end and she begins and respect that, or do you feel it is your job to rescue and save her from herself? (Which is a boundary/enmeshment issue that is very common with anxious preoccupied or anxious leaning FAs).
Thank you for providing your insight - I really appreciate it! I knew once she couldn't provide what I really wanted in a relationship - I needed to end it. However, the way it ended was in anger from my part. Ultimately, I'm not looking to fix or change someone. However, I do feel guilt for reacting in anger.
Do you think it's also a terrible idea to text/leave with a positive note?
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Post by annieb on May 29, 2021 1:04:46 GMT
It’s really none of your business how they choose to deal with their issues after the breakup. Rest assured they are already in pain and it’s not something they can easily snap out of. They would feel unsafe if you pointed out how they could “improve”. As introvert pointed out wouldn’t you think they would have already done it if it was so easy to change their responses and behaviors? Your challenge is to find your reasoning for essentially trying to change them - what is it within you that would rather focus on someone else’s behavior than fix your own reaction? I would explore that. Ultimately, I'm not looking to fix or change someone. Our time together was fun, but it ended poorly. After learning more about FA, I felt that she did the best that she could with me. Do you think it's also a bad idea to send/leave her a positive text message? Yes, it’s a terrible idea to send her messages. If you reacted in anger it’s even more likely she will feel unsafe. Concentrate on your own reactions and behavior going forward and figure out your own issues. Wanting to reach out is putting the onus on the wrong person. Put the focus back on you and explore why you reacted the way you reacted.
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Post by alexandra on May 29, 2021 1:48:30 GMT
It's very typical for people with anxious-leaning attachment (AP or FA) to feel a need to reconnect when their fear of abandonment is triggered. This is about a flooded nervous system anxiously seeking to cling to the person triggering it, looking to ease this anxiety and ensure the insecure's "survival" by convincing them not to leave. It's a trick, (general) you are an adult and can survive as long as you don't abandon yourself, but it was a defense mechanism as a child when someone close to you was unreliable and you couldn't fend for yourself. It made sense to the younger AP/FA, but doesn't serve you as an adult.
The idea of closure, ending things on a positive note, not feeling you communicated properly, it's all anxious insecure patterns trying to rationalize reaching out and finding a way to reconnect, finding a magic solution that doesn't really exist because reconnection doesn't address the correct issue (which is internal not external or even about the ex partner), so it won't help.
That's my long way of agreeing with the other posters that it's a very bad idea to send a message. Self-soothe and mourn first, and give yourself some time to sit with it and really introspect about yourself, your patterns, values, and history. Maybe wait a few months and decide then if it's worth it to you to reach out again. There's also threads on this forum about members (myself included) trying to tell insecure ex partners about attachment theory. It never goes well unless the person is ready to receive it, and that's generally only if they come to you and bring it up, NOT if you go to them.
I'd also say she's aware that she has issues and is already working with a professional on them, so someone should already be steering her in the right direction. It's better to have a professional not a romantic partner help with this stuff as a romantic partner is often a huge trigger of attachment or trauma issues for someone who doesn't quite have their finger on what's going on.
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Post by mrob on May 30, 2021 6:41:13 GMT
I’d be really angry if an ex wanted to point out what could be wrong with me, but I went for years in therapy without ever hearing of this stuff. Attachment styles and the way they manifest themselves, and why have been one of the most revolutionary discoveries in my life.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 14:15:56 GMT
I’d be really angry if an ex wanted to point out what could be wrong with me, but I went for years in therapy without ever hearing of this stuff. Attachment styles and the way they manifest themselves, and why have been one of the most revolutionary discoveries in my life. Yes, I feel the same. Initially that's why I suggested sending the link... because foremost on my mind was the importance of knowing this. I haven't heard about it in therapy much nor explored it, I've learned about it on the web. Why aren't more therapists into this? It seems essential. But- I'm not aligned with the premise of the contact here. I guess if the ex were looking she would find this stuff like we did.
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Post by alexandra on May 30, 2021 14:27:45 GMT
I haven't heard about it in therapy much nor explored it, I've learned about it on the web. Why aren't more therapists into this? It seems essential. It's an aside to the conversation, but I completely agree. One of the reasons brief attempts at therapy didn't work for me was because my problems were entirely attachment-related wounding and the therapists didn't go anywhere near that. I even told someone about attachment theory who had a serious relationship fall apart with a clearly FA ex, and they had a close family member who is a therapist and thought everything I'd said perfectly explained all their own dating issues in the past and asked that family member for more info. The therapist family member said it was psuedo-science and they didn't incorporate it into their practice because of how skeptical they were :/ I was very frustrated to hear that because with all the research, it's not even true! To answer a question krolle had, I first learned about it very briefly in college, but had no idea or understanding of applicable use. Even though I very clearly recognized I was textbook AP under the description. I only came across it for real much later online, when I was dating an extreme DA who may be a covert NPD (I'm not sure) and I felt really REALLY weird about him. I didn't like him much as a person but wanted to please him constantly, and I typed my feelings into a search engine and out popped covert NPD which eventually brought me to emotionally unavailable which eventually brought me to attachment theory. Back to the thread, I agree that not all therapists are the same, but I also think if she's truly already working on it enough that she's already going to therapy, then if she's ready enough to dig into it she'll eventually find it. It's just really tough coming from an ex if she's not ready enough in her own process to hear it. If OP organically sees her and then brings it up, it probably won't go well but at least OP put it out there, whereas if OP is reaching out specifically just to tell her now, I think it's detrimental for movingon15 to be in contact instead of focusing on self and moving on.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 14:44:07 GMT
When I imagine someone breaking up with me "Our time was fun but..." while I'm trying hard to work through issues, then sending a lighthearted note suggesting which behaviors they recommend I avoid.... with the hopes that I'll have a happy relationship someday....
it smacks of arrogance and insensitivity not help. The message would be lost in the absolutely inappropriate delivery.
And, it also seems to conveniently delete any possibility that the OP might have contributed to the difficulty and impossibility of the relationship. Who knows- but save the advice for when you are in a relationship and need to lovingly state boundaries and needs.
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Post by alexandra on May 30, 2021 16:26:43 GMT
FWIW, last time I told someone about attachment, they were an FA I was seeing for a few months who seemed to have a lot of emotional, family, and commitment problems. Last FA I ever dated, more than 2 years ago. We both knew it wasn't working, and I felt like I should let him know attachment theory exists before I bowed out. He listened, seemed receptive as he would discuss his issues with me throughout our time dating while I mostly just listened, and said he does know he has work to do and would look into it.
Due to this thread piquing my curiosity, I just looked up his social media to see what happened. He began a relationship with someone 10 years younger than me he already knew only two weeks after we ended things, and they're still together. So, assuming your ex needs the help you think she does to stay in a relationship is just that -- your assumption, because you're looking for something different than she is. I was sad for a few weeks after that ended but moved on and found a much better partner for myself a year later.
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