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Post by krolle on Oct 23, 2021 14:26:38 GMT
I'm also really sorry if I'm super annoying right now. I'm definately hyper aroused. And not in the fun way lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 14:39:59 GMT
I'm also really sorry if I'm super annoying right now. I'm definately hyper aroused. And not in the fun way lol. You're not annoying! I think you're doing great just to be able to recognize and articulate it all in real time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 14:45:43 GMT
I want to believe you so terribly bad. But my personal experience is so deeply ingrained. You are right that I cannot know her thoughts and reactions. And must accept I cannot fully control this situation. It's just so difficult to discount what I would do. What I almost always do. What almost all FA's I'v ever met mostly do ( and many ADHD ers, which she has said she is likely. Only value when there is a real threat of loss. It's the shock, the adrenaline that gets our attention. The sudden pattern change. The boldness. While someone is meek and they do not strongly activate my arousal in one way or another they will usually be just part of the periphery. And not significantly payed attention to. As long as the threat is not too much as results in a freeze. I am really starting to think about the connections with ADHD now. The need for strong stimulus to motivate action. And too much resulting in shut down. This is all really good to understand though even if it's extremely challenging. It can really be helpful so that when you are in therapy you can name your goals and your therapist can help you achieve them. (Like take care of the chemical confusion in your brain so you aren't chasing a hit). Otherwise, this is all excellent because your focus has shifted away from getting her to behave in a safe way for you, ans recognizing that you are not accustomed to behaving in a safe way for you. Because of all the obstacles in the way. You can't lose here. If you just stay true to your real self (even your fucked up self) with attentiveness and care then outcomes will be manageable. Pause this. Try to get centered on the things that demonstrate care for you, put her Over There a minute while you catch your breath. I know easier said than done but maybe someone has some good suggestions. It helps me to go to self care (like posting here, eat something healthy, go for a walk in nature) when I don't know what to do. That's different from numbing out and avoiding- it's attention to wellness first
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Post by krolle on Oct 23, 2021 15:56:05 GMT
Thankyou so much for the wise words....And making me take a step back to try calm down...
I'm wildly manic today. It doesn't even feel like anxiety. It feels like being energized and impulsive. 'Almost' a positive feeling. My resting heart rate is 30 above normal. I feel the urge to laugh and have been talking to everyone. Louder than seems to be appropriate too. It's quiet strange.
I am going to lay down and do some deep breathing stuff and forget about this for a while...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 16:39:14 GMT
Thankyou so much for the wise words....And making me take a step back to try calm down... I'm wildly manic today. It doesn't even feel like anxiety. It feels like being energized and impulsive. 'Almost' a positive feeling. My resting heart rate is 30 above normal. I feel the urge to laugh and have been talking to everyone. Louder than seems to be appropriate too. It's quiet strange. I am going to lay down and do some deep breathing stuff and forget about this for a while... yeah take care of you... it can wait!
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Post by alexandra on Oct 23, 2021 19:40:11 GMT
krolle, but there also are consequences IF she flakes or doesn't answer again. Next time she reaches out after, you tell her you felt disrespected about how she responded to you and by the actions she's taken to end things. If you're not going to be working together to reconcile at this time then you're going to take some distance and will decide later on if you are in a place to be just friends. And then you back up with actions by not responding to or accepting her crumbs. And stick with it unless she comes back willing to really show up OR you're over it and talking to her wouldn't be devastating. But you don't do this preemptively in anticipation of her unknown response or with manipulation in mind, even if you have good intentions in attempting to "influence." Better boundaries are about being more you-focused, stating your needs, while still being respectful of hers, and eventually taking a teamwork approach if she shows you she's in enough to start building trust together. Also remember, all insecure types do better with secure behavior modeling and people around them. Though it is true security won't build anxious attraction, but that's not something sustainable in a healthy attachment anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 20:37:16 GMT
krolle, but there also are consequences IF she flakes or doesn't answer again. Next time she reaches out after, you tell her you felt disrespected about how she responded to you and by the actions she's taken to end things. If you're not going to be working together to reconcile at this time then you're going to take some distance and will decide later on if you are in a place to be just friends. And then you back up with actions by not responding to or accepting her crumbs. And stick with it unless she comes back willing to really show up OR you're over it and talking to her wouldn't be devastating. But you don't do this preemptively in anticipation of her unknown response or with manipulation in mind, even if you have good intentions in attempting to "influence." Better boundaries are about being more you-focused, stating your needs, while still being respectful of hers, and eventually taking a teamwork approach if she shows you she's in enough to start building trust together. Also remember, all insecure types do better with secure behavior modeling and people around them. Though it is true security won't build anxious attraction, but that's not something sustainable in a healthy attachment anyway. I've found as I got used to feeling good and "regulated" , as in a sense of belonging and comfort with people I trust that care for me... being uncomfortable and triggered has become very noticeable and unpleasant- so I take healthy steps to cure the dynamic or move on from it. I'm attracted to feeling at ease in my own skin- I'm attracted to the people that I feel that way around. And for the romantic "spark" attraction-' it's amazing what a turn-on respect, care, and kindness can be.
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Post by krolle on Oct 24, 2021 2:09:56 GMT
Thankyou for offering a sane place to vent my internal madness.
She actually beat me to the punch. While I was over analyzing and in some kind of manic state she suggested a day to get together next week.
I'm still unconvinced it's anything more than a delaying/ breadcrumbing tactic.
But I'll try my best to be patient until then and see what unfolds. I'm still wildly dysregulated.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 2:55:23 GMT
Thankyou for offering a sane place to vent my internal madness. She actually beat me to the punch. While I was over analyzing and in some kind of manic state she suggested a day to get together next week. I'm still unconvinced it's anything more than a delaying/ breadcrumbing tactic. But I'll try my best to be patient until then and see what unfolds. I'm still wildly dysregulated. About the dysregulation... does it last for a particular period of time, is it like a cycle that you pull out of after being triggered? Or is it just unpredictable? I know when I go dormant so to speak it lasts 2-3 days if I don't do something to interrupt it. I usually can ask for help out of it. Connection helps. Is there anything at all that calms you?
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Post by krolle on Oct 24, 2021 9:20:34 GMT
Thankyou for offering a sane place to vent my internal madness. She actually beat me to the punch. While I was over analyzing and in some kind of manic state she suggested a day to get together next week. I'm still unconvinced it's anything more than a delaying/ breadcrumbing tactic. But I'll try my best to be patient until then and see what unfolds. I'm still wildly dysregulated. About the dysregulation... does it last for a particular period of time, is it like a cycle that you pull out of after being triggered? Or is it just unpredictable? I know when I go dormant so to speak it lasts 2-3 days if I don't do something to interrupt it. I usually can ask for help out of it. Connection helps. Is there anything at all that calms you? The deregulation periods are somewhat unpredictable. there is probably a trigger, but I'm unaware of it. But like everything in me, it is extreme. one of the reasons I have surpressed my emotions for so long is because the are so all encompassing, turbulent and extreme. If I let the usual reserved cerebral me be taken over by them it's madness. I don't just get a little mad, I feel wild violent rage where my teeth are clenched for hours, and I'v been known to break my fingers from hitting the punch bag in my basement bareknuckled until they bleed. Similarly if I'm down I dont just get a little bummed, I'm utterly despondent, teary. barely able to move. I'm really glad connection helps you. It sounds healthy. The only things that help for me are booze and sex, also adrenaline. I try the healthy option. But it sometimes makes me feel worse for some reason. I find people exhausting to be around when I'm down because I know I'm being a bummer. being around people often exhausts me. The one slightly healthier version of full on sex is physical intimacy. But I can feel pretty good with just kissing and hugging etc. But just being around people....meh. hard work. 1 or 3 drinks though and Feel calm and confident. optimistic. it's short lived of course. And bad for my physical health. Working out is pretty good. But it has to be intense and with weights. usually to the background of Judas priest or ACDC or something. Testosterone boosting stuff. Testosterone is very powerful for guys because it just diminishes the difficult softer feelings. And amplifies the anger, energy and self confidence.
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Post by krolle on Oct 24, 2021 9:23:40 GMT
I did throw Thais gibson some money recently. we'll see how that goes.
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Post by krolle on Oct 24, 2021 9:31:42 GMT
Actually asmr audio can have a mild calming effect on me, and I will sometimes use it to fall asleep. But it can go the other way too. depending on the specific person in the video. And make me angry.
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Post by krolle on Oct 24, 2021 9:41:43 GMT
a big trigger for me is suddenly being ignored or phased out. But I suppose it is for everyone. I find those the most destructive endings to relationships.
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Post by krolle on Oct 24, 2021 10:19:45 GMT
I'm also really tired of the same massive psychological discouragements to improving. It's so hard to come out of my shell and actually heal because my cynical bias keeps getting proven to be right. For example one of the things in the Thais Gibson realm of healing advice for FA's is to question your hypervigilant negative stories. And also to communicate honestly and openly. But I'm really trying to do things like that for a while now and every time it gets punished.
The hypervigilant stories and automatically assigning negative stories to them has proven to be correct on so many occasions. And when I question them and say, oh well they were just home from work half hour late because of delay, try not to worry about it. 3 weeks later it comes out they were banging a bunch of dudes and I'm left with an STD and a broken heart. Similarly I communicate my feelings and needs in an open and honest way and then it ends up in people running or saying you're too needy, or ghosting, or attacking me. And I never said anything too crazy. Just things like "oh I'm feeling a little exhausted lately. Do you think you could help me with the dishes tonight?" Or I'm feeling nervous that you have suddenly become distant, is everything ok?" And then burn. Nervous system dug deeper into self protection with new scars and traumas piled on top of the others. I can't seem to discern who can be trusted and who can't. it can take as little as days or as long as several years for people's real sides to come out and I find it hard to to stay emotionally un-invested for that long. And it's usually as soon as my defences break, and I let out a sigh of relief, allow the feelings in and really start to enjoy the person, some betrayal or ghosting or disinterest in return. It's almost like clockwork every time. The second I become available disaster strikes. And it's a massive driver to feel fearfully avoidant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 12:44:36 GMT
I'm also really tired of the same massive psychological discouragements to improving. It's so hard to come out of my shell and actually heal because my cynical bias keeps getting proven to be right. For example one of the things in the Thais Gibson realm of healing advice for FA's is to question your hypervigilant negative stories. And also to communicate honestly and openly. But I'm really trying to do things like that for a while now and every time it gets punished. The hypervigilant stories and automatically assigning negative stories to them has proven to be correct on so many occasions. And when I question them and say, oh well they were just home from work half hour late because of delay, try not to worry about it. 3 weeks later it comes out they were banging a bunch of dudes and I'm left with an STD and a broken heart. Similarly I communicate my feelings and needs in an open and honest way and then it ends up in people running or saying you're too needy, or ghosting, or attacking me. And I never said anything too crazy. Just things like "oh I'm feeling a little exhausted lately. Do you think you could help me with the dishes tonight?" Or I'm feeling nervous that you have suddenly become distant, is everything ok?" And then burn. Nervous system dug deeper into self protection with new scars and traumas piled on top of the others. I can't seem to discern who can be trusted and who can't. it can take as little as days or as long as several years for people's real sides to come out and I find it hard to to stay emotionally un-invested for that long. And it's usually as soon as my defences break, and I let out a sigh of relief, allow the feelings in and really start to enjoy the person, some betrayal or ghosting or disinterest in return. It's almost like clockwork every time. The second I become available disaster strikes. And it's a massive driver to feel fearfully avoidant. I'm really sorry that you go through this. With your recent memory of your mother's suicidal talk when you were just a boy, it seems that there may be more trauma than you consciously remember that would contribute to such anguish and confusion. Thank you for sharing it all, and all I can say is you really aren't alone. I am so glad you are seeking the support you need in people around you, and a therapist. I believe that things will improve for you, although the road can be long with the therapeutic approach too- there is hope. How are you feeling today?
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