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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 6:44:57 GMT
It's been a couple years for my partner and I, I love him, and we are committed. There is no question about the future of our relationship, and we are making and fulfilling plans together. Our plans are long term, and we live well on the daily, I feel our relationship is really strong. Communication, shared happiness, fun, compromise, conflict resolution is all going well.
And I've been stressed. I understand that this is my conditioned response , I have learned SO MUCH and grown so much toward secure relating, but I'm running into things deeply a part of me and I'm needing to figure some thing out.
I'm thinking about sharing these screenshots of the Healing DA thread to start the conversation with my partner. He's not showing any insecurity or triggering from how I'm showing up. I'm showing up as per usual. But it's truly uncanny how this thread describes what's happening inside me since becoming surer than sure that we want to grow old together. This is internal stress to me, it hasn't resulted in outward behaviors or deactivation. It's all just an anxiety inside of me, which doesn't feel like anxiety or feels like a hopeless , almost depressed stress. Then I work out of it but it's noticeably persistent.
I wanted to get this post started and see if I can open up about some of my feelings. It makes me sad I guess that I still have to deal with this.
I don't know that anyone can help. Maybe if you have some words of encouragement for me, or maybe you know of a DA who has faced this and was able to heal up more, Id like to hear that. I am not hopeless really, it's just a weird sad headspace that I feel walls inside myself. It does help to just keep doing life together and it fades. I'm rambling. But if you can read the attachments, they nail it. Please remember I'm committed, not non-commital, struggling with this so I'm not going to let him or I down.
Maybe I'm just ready to work through another layer. I'll post the screen shots below. I guess you have to be logged in to click on them to make them viewable. Sorry, I don't know how to quote from another thread.
EDIT: One thing that makes me worry a little about sharing with him- he doesn't seem anxious or worried but what if letting him know I'm struggling with this causes him to become so? I'd really hate that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 6:46:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 6:48:33 GMT
Also, this is what has been happening inside of me over the last few years to bring me to a place of being able to be ok ( not 100%) at all of the healing points but enough to totally change my life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 7:00:59 GMT
I feel like this is deep unconscious stuff I'm becoming conscious of. The stress is most pronounced when I wake up from sleep, or I'm in that twilight state before falling asleep.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 17, 2021 8:21:26 GMT
I always had doubts when I wasn't fully connected enough with myself to 1. know what I really wanted in life, which meant I wasn't present or content enough to be okay with letting things just be. And 2. when I wasn't healed enough from my attachment issues to feel okay with myself no matter what happens. And I don't mean in an anxious, I need someone to complete me way. I mean, truly having my own back and being confident in that and it not coming out of necessity ie from a place of distrust for others. (For an anxious, that distrust would manifest as I'll always be too much for others and others can never meet my needs so it'll eventually end somehow, which is different than the distrust you'd feel, but I still think it's a different sides of the same coin depth and vulnerability issue.)
Prior to my current relationship, I always had doubts. Many tied to these two points. But now it's very much, we'll work as a team to deal with whatever comes, or maybe it'll be something that's my problem that I need to deal with mostly on my own but I'll still let him know, and not jumping too far ahead that I'm not present while also basically trusting that I don't need to have doubts because he and I will manage whatever comes next as well as any two people can. And there will be really difficult things to handle, since there's still a pandemic that may threaten our health or the health or those close to us, and even without a pandemic we'll have to start thinking about elder care issues for our families. In addition to trying to do family planning during a pandemic when there's no small child vaccine yet. So it's not an issue of magical thinking and ignoring the realities, I just am at a place where I trust myself and I trust him and we're adults so we'll deal with whatever.
I truly feel like my lack of doubt is entirely a result of my healing and relationship with myself, and my ability to then choose a partner I'm aligned and compatible with who I can trust. And if that doesn't work out it'll suck but also be fine eventually. So my point in all this is, I think you're okay. I think you're still in process, and maybe you're hitting a wall that you're retreating from a little bit and sidestepping or taking a couple steps back. But that's okay because it's highlighting where else your next healing steps are.
If you and your partner are strong, which you sound like you are from how you've worked through communicating your individual issues thus far, I think you can talk to him about this without instilling fear for him. It's in the framing: this is all you and has nothing to do with him or your relationship. But you're still struggling with it and wanted to share with him where you're at in dealing with it. Maybe he'll have ideas (or if you're just sharing and want listening not problem solving, let him know).
I can't give you next steps from the avoidant perspective, as what I know I've learned from my partners or on this forum and is already accessible to you. There may be a couple people checking in who used to post and can comment on where you are in the avoidant "process" and what may come next. But I don't think you're in a bad or hopeless place or that this needs to erode any of your gains. Again, it just highlights the next layers down that you'll need to address to heal, and that's progress even if it feels like it's not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 14:01:18 GMT
Thank you alexandra. I'm trying to put together what I'm feeling and bring it out of the dull pressure in my chest and out into words. I will get these thoughts (which are anxiety based- NOT anxiety like "He will leave me" but anxiety like "I'm not being true to myself.") But then I dismiss those thoughts by actively blocking them, which is why I think they are recurrent- I'm not resolving them. So then I go into auto-regulation mode, which works for the moment and gets me on to my day, where I can be productive and focus on what I need to do currently for my life and my relationship. My worries center around the theme of abandoning myself. I have these kind of thoughts: I'll end up betraying my lifestyle and my inner values for his agenda (he's an entrepreneur- and his endeavors dictate our lifestyle really. I have my independent vocation but our plans include tailoring my work life to support a venture together). I'm worried about having enough resources of time, that I will somehow get lost without enough time to make sure I'm still Me. (I won't have enough time to do my auto regulating and also all my personal life stuff, and I'll become a shell of myself.) This anxiety is related to the fact that I have children at home now but in the next couple of years I won't- so we will be joining our lives on another level by cohabitating and doing more traveling, supporting his ventures, etc.) Financially he has way more resources and my little self sustaining bubble will be popped because the lifestyle we agree on involves doing things I wouldn't afford on my own or wouldn't choose on my own, so this creates the reality of a kind of financial dependence although I will still have my vocation. So I feel guilty and as though I'm throwing myself into instability by not being my sole support and it makes me feel like a failure or like I'm making a mistake not in the relationship but in choices around it, which amount to life choices that really change my trajectory (that I hadn't thought would change). I also feel less than because I haven't accumulated a lot of resources and then I feel like a loser (Single momming without help has limited my wealth for sure). So then I just want to work hard and gather some resources to build a buffer around myself so I know I'll be ok. None of this means I don't want to be with him but it does create this anxiety in me because I don't feel really in control of my future. I LIKE the future we have planned and it's actually more secure than my own plan, materially. And he's generous with me and wants to help me. But then I'm worried about losing who I really am, or who I think I am? I feel like somehow I will just totally lose myself, and let myself and others down.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 17, 2021 14:42:43 GMT
@introvert…I am at work passively browsing….but will make a point to fully read and respond later. 🙂.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 14:44:27 GMT
@introvert…I am at work passively browsing….but will make a point to fully read and respond later. 🙂. Thank you! I'm looking forward to any insight you may have!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 16:31:24 GMT
I do have shame about all these feelings and the fact that I'm overwhelmed by what's essentially a beautiful thing with a wonderful man.
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Post by annieb on Dec 17, 2021 16:43:08 GMT
I think (and I’m afraid) some of this is gender roles related. I believe women are conditioned to arrange their lives around men no matter how far we have come in gender equality. It is my conviction that personal relationships is where we have made the least progress in gender equality as a society. At large.
But it isn’t unnatural to fear self abandonment in a relationship. As avoidants this is literally our first line of thinking. Independence is so important to us, but it’s not because we value it, it’s because we do not have an option. It’s our only option for survival. As we grow more secure we have other options. We will not lose ourselves or abandon ourselves if we expand our options and opportunities for self care. We can branch out for support and see what’s out there. That’s what therapy, friends and hobbies are for, for us to have more sources of support and security. The idea of disappointing others, I’ve heard that from DAs before, and that’s the most heartbreaking. Because it really doesn’t seem to be choice based at all.
For what it’s with, you’ve never disappointed us. In fact, you’ve given us so much inspiration and advice that we’ve changed the course of our lives for better because of your presence.
It’s imperative that you stay the way you are for our selfish gain 😂. So if you can line up those resources to always tend to your self, I would really list them and set reminders and a calendar. So that you always have that support ready when you start feeling enmeshed, and if you start feeling so enmeshed that you can’t see outside of it, then a calendar event will yank you out if it.
Ask your partner how he is doing in the relationship. Anything you can change or adjust and what that is. If he is happy with the way things are then why worry or change.
The material thing, the money thing. I say always remain in the side of independence in that regard. Or if you are in business together the business needs to be legally owned by both of you. Etc. Etc. Establish all necessary legal and monetary ownership for yourself. Open a new corporation if need be and new bank accounts. Draw a salary or officers draw (agreed by both of you of course) that goes in your personal account with your children as beneficiaries. You know, the things. Establish a secure independent stance within your interdependent relationship. Would be my advice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 16:49:11 GMT
Ah thanks annieb that made me choke up, and also it's a very reasonable perspective re: gender roles and maintaining independence financially. I'm going to re-read all of that. I really feel like screaming and crying. Yeah I am so afraid of letting everyone including myself down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 16:50:36 GMT
I'm at work with a client coming in shortly so I'm going to put on my game face.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 17:10:09 GMT
Well that's it, I realize right now that the feeling I have let everyone around me down my entire life has a total stranglehold on me, all this time, my entire life. Hadn't seen that for what it is but it's a major source of my pain. It applies to all areas. Even the team I compete on if I have a bad match. The shame is horrible.
God I feel like a little kid in a middle age body and it's unpleasant. I don't mind when I feel like a happy kid but this just sucks.
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Post by annieb on Dec 17, 2021 17:14:44 GMT
Ok now I’m choking up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 17:18:44 GMT
Yeah I really feel like I'm going to lose it realizing this. I want it off me bad.
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