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Post by aeropro on Jul 11, 2023 3:04:28 GMT
If she wanted to tell them the world was flat, that the sun was made out of cheese, etc. Whatever "her truth" may be to justify her feelings and position. It's their prerogative to believe her or not using their own rationale. Both people having wounding isn't the issue. It's the awareness and willingness to confront and overcome the wounding that is. In my case, only one of us was willing to do so. Could that perspective that there is only 1 true truth be part of your wounding versus part of your awareness? Because many aware members of this community have responded and no one has shared in that perspective that there is only one real truth and many of us are in therapy, some have even achieved earning secure. I think instead of closing down the discussion, perhaps this could be discussed a bit more in your therapy. Truth isn't an array of options at a cafeteria. You can't just slide your tray down the line and pick the dishes you'd like. What is personalized is belief. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. What we believe is person-relative. The difference here is incredibly important. Some of our beliefs are true. Some of our beliefs are not. In neither case is the truth itself personalized. My beliefs include the view that God exists. Maybe your beliefs don't. There is only one truth, however. God exists, or God doesn't. To substitute beliefs with truths as if they are synonymous is dangerous, enabling behavior that ignores logic, reason, and objectivity. And sometimes, most definitely most of the time, our beliefs are the truth. But that doesn't make it ours. That doesn't make it personal. It is what is it is independent of personalization whether there is overlap or not. While our perspectives and beliefs in the world are diverse, the truth is not. I find it incredibly beneficial to understand and hear out other perspectives and beliefs in fact. But the truth? It's unwavering. It isn't there to be personalized. Our seeking of it is one of life's greatest journeys, and our discovering of it may or may not confirm our beliefs. If we're trying to talk about someone's perspective, we shouldn't call it their "subjective truth". That term itself is a conflicting misnomer. We should call it their belief, because that's what it is. To apply this logic to this thread. My FA ex believes I am a narcissist. I believe I am not a narcissist. Is either of us right or wrong? Yes, absolutely. The truth is that I am not a narcissist. Thus, I am in fact right, and she is wrong. Will the truth influence or change her belief? No, no it won't. She will live her life with the belief that I am a narcissist, and I will continue living my life with the belief that I am not. In this example, my belief happens to overlap with the truth that I am not a narcissist. But that doesn't make it mine. And, again, the distinction is incredibly important. "The truth shall set you free". There's a lot of wisdom in that statement.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 11, 2023 4:24:39 GMT
Could that perspective that there is only 1 true truth be part of your wounding versus part of your awareness? Because many aware members of this community have responded and no one has shared in that perspective that there is only one real truth and many of us are in therapy, some have even achieved earning secure. I think instead of closing down the discussion, perhaps this could be discussed a bit more in your therapy. Truth isn't an array of options at a cafeteria. You can't just slide your tray down the line and pick the dishes you'd like. What is personalized is belief. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. What we believe is person-relative. The difference here is incredibly important. Some of our beliefs are true. Some of our beliefs are not. In neither case is the truth itself personalized. My beliefs include the view that God exists. Maybe your beliefs don't. There is only one truth, however. God exists, or God doesn't. To substitute beliefs with truths as if they are synonymous is dangerous, enabling behavior that ignores logic, reason, and objectivity. And sometimes, most definitely most of the time, our beliefs are the truth. But that doesn't make it ours. That doesn't make it personal. It is what is it is independent of personalization whether there is overlap or not. While our perspectives and beliefs in the world are diverse, the truth is not. I find it incredibly beneficial to understand and hear out other perspectives and beliefs in fact. But the truth? It's unwavering. It isn't there to be personalized. Our seeking of it is one of life's greatest journeys, and our discovering of it may or may not confirm our beliefs. If we're trying to talk about someone's perspective, we shouldn't call it their "subjective truth". That term itself is a conflicting misnomer. We should call it their belief, because that's what it is. To apply this logic to this thread. My FA ex believes I am a narcissist. I believe I am not a narcissist. Is either of us right or wrong? Yes, absolutely. The truth is that I am not a narcissist. Thus, I am in fact right, and she is wrong. Will the truth influence or change her belief? No, no it won't. She will live her life with the belief that I am a narcissist, and I will continue living my life with the belief that I am not. In this example, my belief happens to overlap with the truth that I am not a narcissist. But that doesn't make it mine. And, again, the distinction is incredibly important. "The truth shall set you free". There's a lot of wisdom in that statement. And I would say that everything you have shared is a perspective versus a truth. If truth is not subjective…then you cannot remove your own subjective opinion…thus….it really cannot be truth but perspective. And I will leave you to your perspective.
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Post by aeropro on Jul 11, 2023 4:36:04 GMT
Truth isn't an array of options at a cafeteria. You can't just slide your tray down the line and pick the dishes you'd like. What is personalized is belief. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. What we believe is person-relative. The difference here is incredibly important. Some of our beliefs are true. Some of our beliefs are not. In neither case is the truth itself personalized. My beliefs include the view that God exists. Maybe your beliefs don't. There is only one truth, however. God exists, or God doesn't. To substitute beliefs with truths as if they are synonymous is dangerous, enabling behavior that ignores logic, reason, and objectivity. And sometimes, most definitely most of the time, our beliefs are the truth. But that doesn't make it ours. That doesn't make it personal. It is what is it is independent of personalization whether there is overlap or not. While our perspectives and beliefs in the world are diverse, the truth is not. I find it incredibly beneficial to understand and hear out other perspectives and beliefs in fact. But the truth? It's unwavering. It isn't there to be personalized. Our seeking of it is one of life's greatest journeys, and our discovering of it may or may not confirm our beliefs. If we're trying to talk about someone's perspective, we shouldn't call it their "subjective truth". That term itself is a conflicting misnomer. We should call it their belief, because that's what it is. To apply this logic to this thread. My FA ex believes I am a narcissist. I believe I am not a narcissist. Is either of us right or wrong? Yes, absolutely. The truth is that I am not a narcissist. Thus, I am in fact right, and she is wrong. Will the truth influence or change her belief? No, no it won't. She will live her life with the belief that I am a narcissist, and I will continue living my life with the belief that I am not. In this example, my belief happens to overlap with the truth that I am not a narcissist. But that doesn't make it mine. And, again, the distinction is incredibly important. "The truth shall set you free". There's a lot of wisdom in that statement. And I would say that everything you have shared is a perspective versus a truth. If truth is not subjective…then you cannot remove your own subjective opinion…thus….it really cannot be truth but perspective. And I will leave you to your perspective. That's correct! But could my perspective be the truth? Could be. Logic, reason, and objectivity are needed to prove that. A-ha, we have found an agreement. Perspective and belief. Much better terminology than subjective truth or my truth.
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Post by sunrisequest on Jul 11, 2023 4:36:55 GMT
Both sides can have pure intentions, and there can be but one truth. Respectfully, you may find that this belief/attitude will make your life much more difficult than it needs to be specifically related to this situation you've described, and more generally. There is no objective truth in subjective experience, of which all relating is. You have your experience, she has hers. Both are valid and true for each of you because that is what is alive in you. In that sense, there is not one truth; there are at least two and probably many more running concurrently, and all of them are valid. This "there can be but one truth" is a fantasy sold to us by our culture, and all it does is perpetuate opposition because in that narrative someone has to be right, and someone has to be wrong. Your tender heart yearns for something beautiful, AND in the process it can cause unintended pain and upset for her. At the same time, her tender heart yearns for something beautiful (to not suffer, to be seen and understood, to be autonomous, etc.), AND in the process it causes you unintended pain and upset. I don't know either of you, but I'm confident that neither of you really wants upset for the other. What is clear is that you're hurt and it makes total sense that you're hurt given what you've described. It's an awful feeling to experience what you've experienced. That you seem resentful and somewhat indignant about what hurts you points to your very valid unmet needs. Find a way to meet those needs yourself, inside your own life, because that's what you have agency over. You don't have agency over this other person's thoughts, feelings, or behavior – that's a total fantasy, and any attempt to gain agency over it is only going to lead to suffering. Personally, when I find myself being pretty sure that others should learn to think and feel and speak and behave differently, then I find I'm thoroughly grounded in fantasy where I have absolutely no agency over what anyone else might ever do. I'm essentially standing in a place of disempowerment. Once I realize that I myself can learn to think and speak and behave differently, then I'm firmly grounded in reality where I have agency over what I do, and the environment I tend in my relating. This is true accountability and responsibility, and it has the tendency to reduce opposition. I love this response! And really feel like there's so much juice you can get from digging into this way of thinking... there's a lot that can be learned from disassembling ideas of there being a right and a wrong in any given situation, and just focusing on understanding the pain and yearning that someone is feeling.. and also trying to tend properly to your own pain and yearning... Some people use really dysfunctional ways of expressing their hurt and pain, but it's the same feeling underneath it. It's not wrong, it's just a very unskilled way of expressing it. Interestingly, us AP's can get the finger out as a way of soothing our own pain. Well, not just AP's, anyone can do that... but often this analysis of action and behaviour, and the assigning of right and wrong, victim and villain... narcissist or fearful avoidant or whatever other label it is we see fit in that moment... it all distracts us from the pain and confusion that we feel, and our wish to be treated better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 4:49:28 GMT
What did you mean when you wrote in your letter that you don't blame her anymore?
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 11, 2023 4:53:14 GMT
Respectfully, you may find that this belief/attitude will make your life much more difficult than it needs to be specifically related to this situation you've described, and more generally. There is no objective truth in subjective experience, of which all relating is. You have your experience, she has hers. Both are valid and true for each of you because that is what is alive in you. In that sense, there is not one truth; there are at least two and probably many more running concurrently, and all of them are valid. This "there can be but one truth" is a fantasy sold to us by our culture, and all it does is perpetuate opposition because in that narrative someone has to be right, and someone has to be wrong. Your tender heart yearns for something beautiful, AND in the process it can cause unintended pain and upset for her. At the same time, her tender heart yearns for something beautiful (to not suffer, to be seen and understood, to be autonomous, etc.), AND in the process it causes you unintended pain and upset. I don't know either of you, but I'm confident that neither of you really wants upset for the other. What is clear is that you're hurt and it makes total sense that you're hurt given what you've described. It's an awful feeling to experience what you've experienced. That you seem resentful and somewhat indignant about what hurts you points to your very valid unmet needs. Find a way to meet those needs yourself, inside your own life, because that's what you have agency over. You don't have agency over this other person's thoughts, feelings, or behavior – that's a total fantasy, and any attempt to gain agency over it is only going to lead to suffering. Personally, when I find myself being pretty sure that others should learn to think and feel and speak and behave differently, then I find I'm thoroughly grounded in fantasy where I have absolutely no agency over what anyone else might ever do. I'm essentially standing in a place of disempowerment. Once I realize that I myself can learn to think and speak and behave differently, then I'm firmly grounded in reality where I have agency over what I do, and the environment I tend in my relating. This is true accountability and responsibility, and it has the tendency to reduce opposition. I love this response! And really feel like there's so much juice you can get from digging into this way of thinking... there's a lot that can be learned from disassembling ideas of there being a right and a wrong in any given situation, and just focusing on understanding the pain and yearning that someone is feeling.. and also trying to tend properly to your own pain and yearning... Some people use really dysfunctional ways of expressing their hurt and pain, but it's the same feeling underneath it. It's not wrong, it's just a very unskilled way of expressing it. Interestingly, us AP's can get the finger out as a way of soothing our own pain. Well, not just AP's, anyone can do that... but often this analysis of action and behaviour, and the assigning of right and wrong, victim and villain... narcissist or fearful avoidant or whatever other label it is we see fit in that moment... it all distracts us from the pain and confusion that we feel, and our wish to be treated better. I agree….I also love this response.
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Post by aeropro on Jul 11, 2023 5:00:43 GMT
What did you mean when you wrote in your letter that you don't blame her anymore? To clarify that was in my text which is in the front page. Confusing, I know. The letter preceded that and it was part of a back-and-forth that lasted a few weeks after her deactivation in late February. That stretch was part of my AP tendencies of truth-seeking and her further distancing, etc. She was mildly receptive during that time. Cold, but receptive. My letter was empathetic to her, but at the time I was not aware of fearful avoidancy. I did tell her in the letter that I felt it was inappropriate of how she ended things, how she didn't give me a phone call or provide any clarity as to why she ended things, but that I wanted the best for her and wished her well. It was very much filled with "I believe..." statements. That part of my text was in reference to that. "I don't blame you anymore <for the way you ended things>". Because, at the time of the text, I understood her FA tendencies. I knew she didn't intend to hurt me and that it was all a defense mechanism to protect herself. I still realize that. The whole point of this thread was to try to gain understanding as to why she chose to partake in the "rewriting of the history" of what occurred between us, because everything points to the contrary of what she said in her last text to me where she lashed out. Our time together, in person meet-ups, her behaviors, texting, etc. It speaks to someone who cared about me, who said she loved me, called me pet names, and invited me into her world. Not someone who colored me black including all of our past experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 5:06:29 GMT
What did you mean when you wrote in your letter that you don't blame her anymore? To clarify that was in my text which is in the front page. Confusing, I know. The letter preceded that and it was part of a back-and-forth that lasted a few weeks after her deactivation in late February. That stretch was part of my AP tendencies of truth-seeking and her further distancing, etc. She was mildly receptive during that time. Cold, but receptive. My letter was empathetic to her, but at the time I was not aware of fearful avoidancy. I did tell her in the letter that I felt it was inappropriate of how she ended things, how she didn't give me a phone call or provide any clarity as to why she ended things, but that I wanted the best for her and wished her well. It was very much filled with "I believe..." statements. That part of my text was in reference to that. "I don't blame you anymore <for the way you ended things>". Because, at the time of the text, I understood her FA tendencies. I knew she didn't intend to hurt me and that it was all a defense mechanism to protect herself. I still realize that. The whole point of this thread was to try to gain understanding as to why she chose to partake in the "rewriting of the history" of what occurred between us, because everything points to the contrary of what she said in her last text to me where she lashed out. Our time together, in person meet-ups, her behaviors, texting, etc. It speaks to someone who cared about me, who said she loved me, called me pet names, and invited me into her world. Not someone who colored me black including all of our past experiences. Do you feel that this thread has helped you gain the understanding you seek?
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Post by aeropro on Jul 11, 2023 5:16:31 GMT
To clarify that was in my text which is in the front page. Confusing, I know. The letter preceded that and it was part of a back-and-forth that lasted a few weeks after her deactivation in late February. That stretch was part of my AP tendencies of truth-seeking and her further distancing, etc. She was mildly receptive during that time. Cold, but receptive. My letter was empathetic to her, but at the time I was not aware of fearful avoidancy. I did tell her in the letter that I felt it was inappropriate of how she ended things, how she didn't give me a phone call or provide any clarity as to why she ended things, but that I wanted the best for her and wished her well. It was very much filled with "I believe..." statements. That part of my text was in reference to that. "I don't blame you anymore <for the way you ended things>". Because, at the time of the text, I understood her FA tendencies. I knew she didn't intend to hurt me and that it was all a defense mechanism to protect herself. I still realize that. The whole point of this thread was to try to gain understanding as to why she chose to partake in the "rewriting of the history" of what occurred between us, because everything points to the contrary of what she said in her last text to me where she lashed out. Our time together, in person meet-ups, her behaviors, texting, etc. It speaks to someone who cared about me, who said she loved me, called me pet names, and invited me into her world. Not someone who colored me black including all of our past experiences. Do you feel that this thread has helped you gain the understanding you seek? If I'm being honest, I've found outside articles and research to be more beneficial towards gaining factual understanding. I very much enjoy the chorus that this forum offers - it's a great resource for sharing thoughts and insight. However, I believe a lot of us in here (myself included) get caught up in the details and the nuances. The topic at hand gets lost in personal beliefs and biases. But, that's the charm to this place I suppose. It's a great hub for all of us who are eager to learn and grow. It's incredibly philosophical and personalized, but I do believe interjection of logic and fact would be of benefit to those who may find themselves scouring the many threads for clarity and understanding in their own situations. Again, being honest. Research and information has shown me, quite clearly, that my ex suffers from fearful avoidant attachment and quite possibly BPD. My therapist supports this. I am not an unwounded person, but I am an aware person on their way to a healthy relationship. I am capable of having one, most certainly. My ex, simply, is not. She sabotaged the relationship's future - not me. Her belief is that she didn't, my belief is that she did, but facts, logic, and reasoning, points to the truth being that she is not capable of having a healthy relationship, whereas I am. That's not an attack on her or me coping. That's me having that confirmed with months of therapy, hours of research and understanding of myself and her behaviors. And it's with that understanding that allows me to move on from this, but that lack of understanding that will keep her stuck where she is at. Will she find her way? Hopefully. At her pace. Maybe. Maybe not. ... and that doesn't mean I'm not capable of sabotaging a relationship. That's why I'm here! Haha. That's why I'm in therapy. I'll be damned if I do. But, this one? No. Not my 'L'. This forum is very, very sympathetic towards FAs. And, I get it. The focus shouldn't be about them. But, again, it's a forum talking about... FAs. So what are we going to do? You all tell me! That's my perspective. Thanks everyone. I've received closure on this topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 5:19:50 GMT
That's great!
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Post by sunrisequest on Jul 11, 2023 5:45:02 GMT
Do you feel that this thread has helped you gain the understanding you seek? If I'm being honest, I've found outside articles and research to be more beneficial towards gaining factual understanding. I very much enjoy the chorus that this forum offers - it's a great resource for sharing thoughts and insight. However, I believe a lot of us in here (myself included) get caught up in the details and the nuances. The topic at hand gets lost in personal beliefs and biases. But, that's the charm to this place I suppose. It's a great hub for all of us who are eager to learn and grow. It's incredibly philosophical and personalized, but I do believe interjection of logic and fact would be of benefit to those who may find themselves scouring the many threads for clarity and understanding in their own situations. Again, being honest. Research and information has shown me, quite clearly, that my ex suffers from fearful avoidant attachment and quite possibly BPD. My therapist supports this. I am not an unwounded person, but I am an aware person on their way to a healthy relationship. I am capable of having one, most certainly. My ex, simply, is not. She sabotaged the relationship's future - not me. Her belief is that she didn't, my belief is that she did, but facts, logic, and reasoning, points to the truth being that she is not capable of having a healthy relationship, whereas I am. That's not an attack on her or me coping. That's me having that confirmed with months of therapy, hours of research and understanding of myself and her behaviors. And it's with that understanding that allows me to move on from this, but that lack of understanding that will keep her stuck where she is at. Will she find her way? Hopefully. At her pace. Maybe. Maybe not. ... and that doesn't mean I'm not capable of sabotaging a relationship. That's why I'm here! Haha. That's why I'm in therapy. I'll be damned if I do. But, this one? No. Not my 'L'. This forum is very, very sympathetic towards FAs. And, I get it. The focus shouldn't be about them. But, again, it's a forum talking about... FAs. So what are we going to do? You all tell me! That's my perspective. Thanks everyone. I've received closure on this topic. I agree with you that finding clarity can really help you to move through something and help you process it enough to let it go... there's also no right or wrong way for you to process something, and coming to ask for other people's take on something is not wrong either. It can be really hard to look at a situation explained on these forums and be able to give a really good guess of what was going on in someone else's head in that moment... because we can't get her take on it, but if I had to take a guess, your text hurt her feelings... perhaps because it felt accusatory (even though you felt it wasn't and didn't mean it to be, perhaps to her it did), and maybe it poked a really deep feeling of shame for her and she reacted the way she did in order to push that feeling of shame far away from her, and onto you... When I read your text, I felt you were trying so so hard to be as honest as possible with her... giving all the information you could and covering all of the bases... in theory there's nothing wrong with this, right? It's vulnerable, it's honest... you're trying to see from both sides... but in reality, if I'd received a message like that, I might have reacted defensively as well, it didn't feel super comfortable to read... I ask myself why I'd feel defensive... I think it's because I'd feel like someone was talking 'at me' instead of 'with me'. Telling me how it was, instead of inviting me to the table to converse and understand each other. I'd feel a little controlled and unseen. I think what you experienced in the relationship was real, but the way she pushed you away just now is an indication of the pain and conflict she feels inside, which was likely going on throughout your relationship and nothing really to do with you.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 11, 2023 11:48:18 GMT
There is nothing superior about awareness if nothing is really done to move the needle. I was aware a long time before I ever really made strides in therapy…and that is because my focus was still on the “other” person. Did I make progress? Sure. But it was a snails pace until I finally stopped talking about others and really focused on the muck I still had inside me. One critical piece I had to learn was….how someone treats me is about that person…but how I respond is about me. I hope out of all of this conversation on the thread, you have learned more than just “go no contact with an FA ex” because that is still about the other person. Focusing on her changes nothing, but focusing on you and working on yourself changes everything. I wish you well.
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Post by mrob on Jul 11, 2023 22:06:58 GMT
This has been an interesting thread for its twists and turns. You talk of nuances, I disagree. I think the main message if this forum is “look at yourself”, and “How have you put yourself in a position to be disappointed” as well as “now knowing about the AT dynamics of both parties, what action are you taking for you?” While there are times we get caught up in the minutiae, these messages prevail in every part of this forum. That’s why it can sometimes seem harsh and arbitrary, but it’s out of personal experience.
I wish you all the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 2:45:59 GMT
This has been an interesting thread for its twists and turns. You talk of nuances, I disagree. I think the main message if this forum is “look at yourself”, and “How have you put yourself in a position to be disappointed” as well as “now knowing about the AT dynamics of both parties, what action are you taking for you?” While there are times we get caught up in the minutiae, these messages prevail in every part of this forum. That’s why it can sometimes seem harsh and arbitrary, but it’s out of personal experience. I wish you all the best. And not just AT dynamics,but a possible personality disorder here as well. 2.5 months, 12 hangouts. Months later, rightly convinced that the woman is incapable of a healthy relationship, coming here to analyze that as if a probable personality disorder (therapist agrees!)... doesnt make everything crystal clear. If that's not anxious preoccupation, I don't know what is. Where's the logic?
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Post by krolle on Jul 15, 2023 12:09:21 GMT
Could that perspective that there is only 1 true truth be part of your wounding versus part of your awareness? Because many aware members of this community have responded and no one has shared in that perspective that there is only one real truth and many of us are in therapy, some have even achieved earning secure. I think instead of closing down the discussion, perhaps this could be discussed a bit more in your therapy. Truth isn't an array of options at a cafeteria. You can't just slide your tray down the line and pick the dishes you'd like. What is personalized is belief. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. What we believe is person-relative. The difference here is incredibly important. Some of our beliefs are true. Some of our beliefs are not. In neither case is the truth itself personalized. My beliefs include the view that God exists. Maybe your beliefs don't. There is only one truth, however. God exists, or God doesn't. To substitute beliefs with truths as if they are synonymous is dangerous, enabling behavior that ignores logic, reason, and objectivity. And sometimes, most definitely most of the time, our beliefs are the truth. But that doesn't make it ours. That doesn't make it personal. It is what is it is independent of personalization whether there is overlap or not. While our perspectives and beliefs in the world are diverse, the truth is not. I find it incredibly beneficial to understand and hear out other perspectives and beliefs in fact. But the truth? It's unwavering. It isn't there to be personalized. Our seeking of it is one of life's greatest journeys, and our discovering of it may or may not confirm our beliefs. If we're trying to talk about someone's perspective, we shouldn't call it their "subjective truth". That term itself is a conflicting misnomer. We should call it their belief, because that's what it is. To apply this logic to this thread. My FA ex believes I am a narcissist. I believe I am not a narcissist. Is either of us right or wrong? Yes, absolutely. The truth is that I am not a narcissist. Thus, I am in fact right, and she is wrong. Will the truth influence or change her belief? No, no it won't. She will live her life with the belief that I am a narcissist, and I will continue living my life with the belief that I am not. In this example, my belief happens to overlap with the truth that I am not a narcissist. But that doesn't make it mine. And, again, the distinction is incredibly important. "The truth shall set you free". There's a lot of wisdom in that statement. This resonated with me. I read your original response at the start of the thread, and to me your text sounded totally fine. Her's sounded like some indication of a PD to me, maybe borderline. But a wounded enough FA can look very borderline. Having said that I'm exploring the idea of having an autistic spectrum disorder. I have been called a narcissist too by a few of my exes. But I don't think I've ever had a grandiose sense of self to qualify. But what I do really believe in is empirical truth. That fact is more important than catering to people's emotions and biases. Subjectivity is a thing, but it's not truth. And I feel agitated by abstraction. The concept of "individual truth" makes me feel "icky". Like a lie or something. And I think they interpreted that very matter of fact communication style as narcissism. I guess I'm just saying this because I thought your initial text sounded fine. Seemed completely rational......But I also get a lot of pushback from people telling me I offend them or "are you surprised she responded that way etc. As you have in this thread. I offend people, but don't mean to, And I'm consistently confused as to why.
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