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Post by neosporin on Dec 16, 2017 20:40:13 GMT
I can't remember where I read this but I saw something that mentioned how avoidants may experience their emotions as physical symptoms rather than how we're used to experiencing them.
This brought me back to the early months that I knew the FA. Right when we had first crossed a certain intimacy threshold, he ended up getting violently ill. Couldn't stop throwing up, general malaise. It wasn't a fever and he hadn't eaten anything substantial so he claimed it wasn't food poisoning.
A few days later he dumped me (the first of many).
A pattern emerged for the next couple times he'd distance or dump. He always ended up with a mysterious illness. I'd get worried because it sounded bad, but then he'd brush it off as no big deal. He also claimed to not get sick very often, yet he got sick at least once a month it seemed like. And each time he had these episodes of what seemed like temporary debilitating illness, he'd vanish soon after.
It got to a point where him being sick was a warning sign that he was about to ghost.
Has anyone else experienced something similar? I wonder if they fake it, or if there is a psychosomatic element to their fear of intimacy?
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Post by cate on Dec 16, 2017 22:26:49 GMT
My ex was more DA but he had some physical maladies. Mostly it was his stomach - which was diagnosed as gluten intolerance. In fact the first few times we met up he canceled initially citing that he didn’t feel well. He also had lower back pain and got infections and colds.
Ironically I was prone to illness since I have a weak immune system but he got sick more often than me when we were together come to think of it I rarely got I’ll during this time.
But his illnesses never precipitated a break. The opposite - he’s pull closer because he liked me caring for him
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Post by kristyrose on Dec 16, 2017 22:37:16 GMT
My ex never seemed to get sick, maybe a cold once or twice but he works from home so he is not exposed as much to others and their colds. In terms of any other maladies, I never noticed anything, but he was very stoic and would probably see it as weakness to complain. Also because we saw each other on a somewhat stricter schedule, all the times we were not together he may have shown some illness.
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Post by neosporin on Dec 17, 2017 0:13:44 GMT
My ex was more DA but he had some physical maladies. Mostly it was his stomach - which was diagnosed as gluten intolerance. In fact the first few times we met up he canceled initially citing that he didn’t feel well. He also had lower back pain and got infections and colds. Ironically I was prone to illness since I have a weak immune system but he got sick more often than me when we were together come to think of it I rarely got I’ll during this time. But his illnesses never precipitated a break. The opposite - he’s pull closer because he liked me caring for him Thanks Cate and Kristy. Cate, you bring up an interesting point and an alternate explanation. I went into super duper caretaker mode whenever he got sick, so that could also be the reason for the withdrawal. He acted as if he enjoyed it but he always had a very touchy/low tolerance for any sort of prolonged affection.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 0:31:46 GMT
I think it may have been me who initially flagged this - people who are not in touch with their emotions, may instead recognise feelings as somatic sensations and dis - ease as illness.
I feel uncomfortable in my body before I recognise that I am "stressed" and my avoidant ex would often complain of a vague malaise which seemed to coincide with times when you'd expect another person to be feeling emotionally hurt. He often couldn't pinpoint exactly what the feeling was - infact when we talked about how his body felt during a long and challenging exercise session he wouldn't be able to articulate anything other than feeling he needed to stop,
Interestingly, he also wasn't great at noticing physical sensations - it was as though everything was totally seperate from his thinking mind and he had no idea of what was going on with his body rather than a vague feeling of uncomforatableness. Part of my learning to access emotions has been a recognition of the connection between physical sensations and emotions - or repressed emotions. In an avoidant person feeling physically unwell in a vague sense my represent an uncomfortable repressed emotion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 16:53:43 GMT
I can and have experienced emotions as a more physical occurrence, but its's not a sick feeling or being sick. I am rarely sick. Just looking at the chart, I would think those with high anxiety (FAs and APs) would be more prone to sickness. Anxiety has been linked to health conditions. DAs are on the low anxiety side and in my case (from the test), very low anxiety.
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Post by yasmin on Dec 18, 2017 9:13:00 GMT
the one I dated felt sick (nausea) on our first date and actually quite a few times. He was also afraid if heights, germs and was so claustrophobic that we had to change a restaurant reservation once because he felt enclosed He also had hypochondria and was generally a worrier about his health /losing his job and security (even though he was pretty rich and very unlikely to lose him job). All round I guess he was a fearful person.
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Post by stellar1969 on Dec 18, 2017 16:32:36 GMT
Mine had sciatica the last three months I was with him. It gave him a great excuse to not see me as much. I was just remembering this last night actually. Also, during our time together, he had a serious toothache that led to an extraction, staph infection on his belly and a lot of gastrointestinal issues. I know most of this was real, but it was also very handy to put off spending time together....
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Post by fatalcharm on Dec 19, 2017 0:39:59 GMT
All the time!!!! Migraines, headaches, nausia... I am absolutely convinced that most of this was a physical expression of suppressed and conflicted emotions.
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Post by kismett on Dec 19, 2017 2:34:53 GMT
The FA friend of mine that abruptly cut off all ties lost his voice about two weeks before he cut things off. He said he wasn’t sure if he was sick or what. He couldn’t pinpoint it but he completely lost his voice. He shrugged it off and said it’ll go away soon.
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Post by gaynxious on Dec 19, 2017 21:59:55 GMT
I remember watching a YouTube video by a British attachment theory researcher discussing her book where she says avoidants(she seemed to class DA and FA the same) typically have poor immune systems due to stress(she didn't really site if this was stress from their familial relationships, the stress in dealing with people, stress from a lack of close relationships, etc) over long periods. I've not seen much else on this except some studies that show that anxious and avoidant people do tend to have poorer health than secure people. My avoidant ex had a terrible immune system. He got sick very easily, respiratory, gut, and skin infections all the time. He actually caught hand, foot, and mouth disease in his 30s which the doctor said was extremely rare. I have a number of friends with HIV and another on immune suppression due to an organ transplant and all of them seemed to get sick less frequently than him. It often ruined a lot of events, my first birthday after we started dating, moving into a new place, vacations, going to parties together. I don't know if it was necessarily relationship stress or stress in general. He said he would often get sick after flying on a plane and this happened regardless of whether I traveled with him or not. About a year after we broke up he posted how his year had been terrible due to two break ups, two moves, work stress, and a slew of minor illnesses so not sure if there may be anything to glean from that info. I'd say it's likely that at the very least avoidants are more prone to using illness to get out of intimate obligations. As far as to whether they get sick or maybe think they are sick more I have little to make a confident assertion on.
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Post by yasmin on Dec 19, 2017 22:21:18 GMT
If I get stressed or overworked, I get sick so this happens to everybody I think. Maybe if you can't express emotions easily or get comfort from things like hugs and emotional support then it becomes harder to process feelings of anxiety in a healthy way.
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Post by isildur4797 on Jul 7, 2019 18:40:40 GMT
Honestly, I've found in the past that I tend to feel ambivalent, but I also don't want to lose control. Because I'm attached I can't leave them, even if looking back I can tell I didn't like them. So you never open up about the ambivalence and just hide it, and never end things either. This also puts (at least for me) in a state where you literally can't make a decision about how you feel, so one is never made until it falls apart. So you act like everything is fine, but in reality there's a bit of anxiousness and worrying down deep inside. Then when you "cross an intimacy threshold" it all comes crashing down. The sickness, in my case is violently bad gut feelings and intense anxiety. Headaches, migraines, etc. It's anxiety so bad its manifesting itself as physical symptoms.
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Post by hola on Jul 8, 2019 22:00:38 GMT
OMG!!!! Mine did all the time! At least in the beginning.....at first I thought he was lying but there was some truth to his ailments.
Extreme intestinal issues....he'd get a lot of "food poisoning".....he's had stage 1 colon cancer and also has diverticulitis He didn't have a very good diet when I met him and he drank a lot.
When I first met him, he was getting out of an extremely toxic and unhealthy relationship w/an AP. She'd stalk, follow, and harass him. I think most of his issues came from that chaotic situation.
He also suffers from extreme insomnia. When I first met him it was really bad
Slowly, as time went by, I'd suggest clean eating and he'd change his diet bit by bit. I would just suggest as we were chatting during our runs together. I wouldn't push or mention it again. Then he'd tell me on his own that he changed this or that in his eating habits (which were suggestions by me)
Then he started having issues w/his tooth and had to get a root canal. This was in January of this year. The last 6 months he's been pretty healthy, not drinking as much, minimal if any stomach issues.
I also think that the demise of his previous toxic situation has helped him get better.
I care about him a lot but I know he has absolutely no clue on what a healthy, secure, warm, relationship is. None. Since I'm also FA, our relationship has been more of an amicable one than a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. At first that was what I wanted w/him, but after getting to know him for a year and 10 months, there is no way I can ever expect that.
Our repressed emotions DO manifest as ailments in our body.
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Post by hola on Jul 8, 2019 22:05:58 GMT
Honestly, I've found in the past that I tend to feel ambivalent, but I also don't want to lose control. Because I'm attached I can't leave them, even if looking back I can tell I didn't like them. So you never open up about the ambivalence and just hide it, and never end things either. This also puts (at least for me) in a state where you literally can't make a decision about how you feel, so one is never made until it falls apart. So you act like everything is fine, but in reality there's a bit of anxiousness and worrying down deep inside. Then when you "cross an intimacy threshold" it all comes crashing down. The sickness, in my case is violently bad gut feelings and intense anxiety. Headaches, migraines, etc. It's anxiety so bad its manifesting itself as physical symptoms. My "sickness" is like yours , extremely bad gut feelings and intense anxiety. They mostly come as panic attacks at night. And the insomia is just horrible, ugh
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