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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:04:20 GMT
sorry tagt, didn't see your last few posts when I posted my last reply. no worries, we have an excellent rapport guest, no worries at all!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:15:06 GMT
sorry tagt, didn't see your last few posts when I posted my last reply. ... and I'm with you @tgat the tone of drshred's posts is anything but secure, don't take that personally drshred , it's not necessarily and you're in good company here. yeah, here we have the typical "I'm confirmed healthy and 'mature' and self identified "secure".... ex is the one with issues and left for "no reason" (how invalidating to her perspective! wow!) and furthermore, i think it's a personality disorder (unrecognized, sure, but...) and i Do Not Have That Personality Disorder I am Curious About. its textbook. but i'm not a doctor. 😂 drshred, i truly do welcome you if you can find a little humility , it's a great place to explore our own healing. 🤗
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Post by serene13 on Feb 25, 2018 20:42:38 GMT
sorry tagt, didn't see your last few posts when I posted my last reply. ... and I'm with you @tgat the tone of drshred's posts is anything but secure, don't take that personally drshred , it's not necessarily and you're in good company here. yeah, here we have the typical "I'm confirmed healthy and 'mature' and self identified "secure".... ex is the one with issues and left for "no reason" (how invalidating to her perspective! wow!) and furthermore, i think it's a personality disorder (unrecognized, sure, but...) and i Do Not Have That Personality Disorder I am Curious About. its textbook. but i'm not a doctor. 😂 drshred, i truly do welcome you if you can find a little humility , it's a great place to explore our own healing. 🤗 One thing we all love about tgat - she tells it like it is
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:11:38 GMT
yeah, here we have the typical "I'm confirmed healthy and 'mature' and self identified "secure".... ex is the one with issues and left for "no reason" (how invalidating to her perspective! wow!) and furthermore, i think it's a personality disorder (unrecognized, sure, but...) and i Do Not Have That Personality Disorder I am Curious About. its textbook. but i'm not a doctor. 😂 drshred, i truly do welcome you if you can find a little humility , it's a great place to explore our own healing. 🤗 One thing we all love about tgat - she tells it like it is it's my personality..... disorder 😆 ok, ok, i'll go! 🤐🤐🤐😘
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Post by drshred on Feb 25, 2018 21:23:32 GMT
jebkinnisonforum.com/post/7642/threadHi! and thank you for your warm response. I however will proceed to rip you to shreds. (JK) My questions were actually a summed up list from the posts that i did read on this thread, and on thinking about why i had to ask them again, i realized i don't really have a reason beyond wanting to get into a deeper discussion; better in one general post as opposed to following a dozen or more. I actually didn't see or notice that this would cause an avoidant much to reel from(I deeply apologise for this), however tgats defensiveness did hint strongly that it did. I anticipated more of an intellectual response rather than an emotional one, seeing as we are all posting anonymously, it didn't register that it might come off as offensive. While reading your post something came to mind. This is where my lines blur substantially and my skepticism with attachment theory comes to play. - Does wanting a discussion necessarily mean i'm anxious? Discussion is anticipated in most forums and of course there will be flame posts and there will be helpful ones but the premise remains; new thoughts, new understanding. - Also, it's normal to feel hurt from a breakup, so of course you will turn into a more anxious person. In psychiatric terms, it would be pathological to seem happy after a breakup, it's called having an appropriate affect. There is a normal period of bereavement and then you move on. - Considering i haven't participated in a push and pull behavior with my supposed 'avoidant', left the situation till i dealt with my hurt at her odd behavior and am considering extending an olive branch to keep a platonic long standing relationship intact with established boundaries...how does it fit into anxious exactly? - While you mention that avoidants don't want you to depend on them in a relationship, the average everyday relationship DOES involve some interplay of give and take. Trust, dependency, truth, communication and understanding are needs necessary in order to maintain the average everyday healthy relationship. However, it seems like you need to adopt a new stance of what a relationship will look like. I'm not saying this is inherently wrong as i appreciate the diversity that it brings to the antiquated idea of relationships. This is something i want more understanding into as i have no idea what that relationship would be or look like. My qualms with attachment theory therefore seem that it might start to encourage a certain defeated attitude by being labeled a certain way. I think and see first hand how complex human beings are and that our individual characteristics and personalities change as we adapt minute to minute, hour to hour, day by day to various stimulus and how we evolve to respond as such to it. The attachment theory surmises that a certain behavioral pattern starts in infancy as an adaptation to caregivers, doesn't that just as evenly mean you can adopt, albeit with conscious effort a new way too should you want it? Does this make sense? We are only truly innocent and baggage free as children.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:28:57 GMT
i am not here for the same reasons you are so will divert my energy elsewhere but i hope you find what you're looking for. it would take more than a little anxious posting on your part to send this woman reeling. 😁 i didn't make it through the entire post, as i truly wish to excuse myself from the thread. see you around the forum, i'm assuming. welcome, drshred!
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 25, 2018 21:38:11 GMT
sorry tagt, didn't see your last few posts when I posted my last reply. ... and I'm with you @tgat the tone of drshred's posts is anything but secure, don't take that personally drshred , it's not necessarily and you're in good company here. yeah, here we have the typical "I'm confirmed healthy and 'mature' and self identified "secure".... ex is the one with issues and left for "no reason" (how invalidating to her perspective! wow!) and furthermore, i think it's a personality disorder (unrecognized, sure, but...) and i Do Not Have That Personality Disorder I am Curious About. its textbook. but i'm not a doctor. 😂 drshred, i truly do welcome you if you can find a little humility , it's a great place to explore our own healing. 🤗 I agree!
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Post by drshred on Feb 25, 2018 21:41:18 GMT
There are only so many times i can say sorry really. lol
There is a reason why i had mentioned being a doctor and her not being good for my wellbeing. I'm sure you are well aware of a doctors role in a hospital and our responsibilities. They even have a multitude of shows on the matter. What i'm getting at is that i suffer from chronic depression(scars and all if you can read between the lines there) from the daily grind of being made responsible for peoples lives, and no as doctors we don't necessarily get the support we need by our government or medical governing bodies and neither are we understood by our surrounding friends and family, there is always a take but rarely a give. There is no air of superiority, i am a simple public servant like most of the population but i am very capable of being detached from my emotions and maybe you are picking up on that. If i had to feel for every person in my care as intently i would cease to be. I give room for compassion, not empathy. Whats the difference? It's massive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:50:53 GMT
drshred most of us have had devastating trauma in childhood and formed insecure attachment styles that have compounded our trauma, and our intention here is to heal not satisfy curiosity. i invite you to read the threads in the DA support forum, for some insight of you are interested . try the thread Trauma Bonding (searchable) if you want to know just a little something about me personally (i'm a person, like to be addressed as one) . read the threads about our heartache, our trauma, and then read a book to satisfy this casual curiosity of yours, for most of us it has at times been very hard to see hope and we have been devastated. now, i mean it- 😬- i want to divert my attention to some of my fellow travelers who are needing support. we do that a lot here. i hope you can find what you are looking for but i have limited time myself and other intentions in this forum. i was last strangled by a disordered husband less than five years ago and i am doing great because i keep the focus on my recovery. best to you!
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Post by drshred on Feb 25, 2018 21:55:20 GMT
i am not here for the same reasons you are so will divert my energy elsewhere but i hope you find what you're looking for. it would take more than a little anxious posting on your part to send this woman reeling. 😁 i didn't make it through the entire post, as i truly wish to excuse myself from the thread. see you around the forum, i'm assuming. welcome, drshred! i figured out how to do the quote things! Thanks for the harsh introduction.
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Post by serene13 on Feb 25, 2018 21:55:50 GMT
One thing we all love about tgat - she tells it like it is it's my personality..... disorder 😆 ok, ok, i'll go! 🤐🤐🤐😘 Girrlll - that was meant as a compliment!!! A good attribute to have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:59:44 GMT
it's my personality..... disorder 😆 ok, ok, i'll go! 🤐🤐🤐😘 Girrlll - that was meant as a compliment!!! A good attribute to have. i know, it's all good! 😘😘 and i appreciate it i was ribbing the doc 😬
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 22:01:25 GMT
i am not here for the same reasons you are so will divert my energy elsewhere but i hope you find what you're looking for. it would take more than a little anxious posting on your part to send this woman reeling. 😁 i didn't make it through the entire post, as i truly wish to excuse myself from the thread. see you around the forum, i'm assuming. welcome, drshred! i figured out how to do the quote things! Thanks for the harsh introduction. fitting for you original approach maybe, ok i gotta run i am taking kids to a movie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 0:51:55 GMT
drshred, People here are not asking you to apologize over and over. I think there is a lot of confusion as to why you are asking the questions. Are you asking to satisfy "clinical curiousity", further insight into your friend or insight into yourself. If you are asking for clinical reasons, there are many books out there that you can read. We are not here for your research. Insight into other people usually is an exercise in folly as people are individuals, avoidant or not. If you original post was to look for insight and understanding about yourself, I think your reception would have been different. We are a community of people (maybe anonymous) but we have come to know each other and we are not just words on a page. We are all here to support each other on their journey to further awareness and learn from each other. If you do not have time to read through and participate in threads as others have, this may not be a good place for you. Everyone's time and respect for each other is important. I get it, you're a dr and you are busy, but we all have lives, commitments, careers, etc too. We view this as important work on this forum and we take the time to do that. You are most welcome to join in. One thing you can note, avoidants are not here to give you warm fuzzies and we tell it like it is (haha). Gotta have some avoidant humor
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Post by leavethelighton on Feb 26, 2018 1:25:08 GMT
. . . There is absolutely no mention of it during my psychiatry rotations. Objectively, it seems closely related to personality disorders but is perhaps still in its infancy and not accepted just as yet. DSM 5 only seems to talk on RAD and DSED. This is more of a psychologists field of interest, however, after coming across it, i am really intrigued. Drshred, Although I can see how someone totally new to all this might think that way, I would disagree that it is like a "personality disorder" (unless you want to say half the population has one, since half wouldn't be classified as "secure.") I think calling it a personality disorder stigmatizes a common human experience and could be seen as offensive. In terms of the original questions, I've always thought of myself as totally NOT having a trouble with intimacy or closeness, having no fear, etc. but I can see now that is because I lived in fantasy and so of course in that fantasy realm my relationships seemed ideal and perfect. In reality it just never happened-- I would be very attracted to avoidant people and feel like they were constantly disengaging all the while while engaging in actual relationships with people who weren't avoidant where I also kept people at a distance because they weren't my ideal. I would guess that a lot of DA or FA people are in denial about their reality-- they think they're great at intimacy but just haven't met the right person yet or that any intimacy challenges are due to the other person's flaws rather than their own.
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