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Post by squirrelkitty on Mar 4, 2018 19:46:51 GMT
I agree and I'm also not interested in playing power games. I opt out of them when the DA tries to play them with me , except for playfighting. But what I mean is that a lot of my AP probably also stem from my not being aware of the effect I have on him. I am not sure what you mean here, but from the DA perspective, power games are the last thing on my mind when it comes to relationships. I have seen a lot of APs describe it as such, but I have not seen it described as such by DA or FA. OK, fair enough. As I said I'm pretty sure that my friend didn't do the weird things he did when we were in a relationship on purpose. And I certainly don't think that he treats me any worse than anyone else.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 5, 2018 18:31:57 GMT
Your friends may be giving you negative feedback because they know you are AP and think that negative feedback will help you and make you spin less (have less hope). Hope is very powerful. I am DA and if I am trying to have a good relationship, I will try to initiate contact and focus on saying positive, endearing things. As I said in the other thread, I don't make negative comments, but my tendency is to be silent rather than say something if I am uncomfortable. Initiating contact is extremely difficult for me and it's only something I can do with people I like very much and trust. My initiation may only be 30% of the time, but for me, that's a lot. Everyone is different, so I would take other people's experience with a grain of salt. It may or may not apply to him. It's pretty similar for me. My last boyfriend said I am very sweet, but he did really dislike always having to initiate almost everything. I have also resolved that next time I am dating someone and it seems to be working, I will make a point of intiating 1 in 3 times. Being passive is not something I set out to do, it just happened. If you are happy with the interaction; does it really matter if he is trying really hard or not? If so, why?
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Post by squirrelkitty on Mar 5, 2018 20:05:10 GMT
Your friends may be giving you negative feedback because they know you are AP and think that negative feedback will help you and make you spin less (have less hope). Hope is very powerful. I am DA and if I am trying to have a good relationship, I will try to initiate contact and focus on saying positive, endearing things. As I said in the other thread, I don't make negative comments, but my tendency is to be silent rather than say something if I am uncomfortable. Initiating contact is extremely difficult for me and it's only something I can do with people I like very much and trust. My initiation may only be 30% of the time, but for me, that's a lot. Everyone is different, so I would take other people's experience with a grain of salt. It may or may not apply to him. It's pretty similar for me. My last boyfriend said I am very sweet, but he did really dislike always having to initiate almost everything. I have also resolved that next time I am dating someone and it seems to be working, I will make a point of intiating 1 in 3 times. Being passive is not something I set out to do, it just happened. If you are happy with the interaction; does it really matter if he is trying really hard or not? If so, why? On the whole I'm happy with it. It doesn't matter so much to me whether he's trying hard, because I can believe he is unless I get triggered. I think I feel bothered because the way DAs are described in the literature demonises them a bit too much. It's like everything they do gets portrayed as calculating in some way. If they're funny (as my friend is) they're not just funny but they're being funny to attract you. If they manage to be nice, it's because they are plotting some bizarre scheme etc. Lol, my other friend claims that my DA friend must be charming. ROFL, he's the most blunt person in the world. Actually, just taking him at face value is far more helpful than questioning every little thing he does.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 20:34:58 GMT
It's pretty similar for me. My last boyfriend said I am very sweet, but he did really dislike always having to initiate almost everything. I have also resolved that next time I am dating someone and it seems to be working, I will make a point of intiating 1 in 3 times. Being passive is not something I set out to do, it just happened. If you are happy with the interaction; does it really matter if he is trying really hard or not? If so, why? On the whole I'm happy with it. It doesn't matter so much to me whether he's trying hard, because I can believe he is unless I get triggered. I think I feel bothered because the way DAs are described in the literature demonises them a bit too much. It's like everything they do gets portrayed as calculating in some way. If they're funny (as my friend is) they're not just funny but they're being funny to attract you. If they manage to be nice, it's because they are plotting some bizarre scheme etc. Lol, my other friend claims that my DA friend must be charming. ROFL, he's the most blunt person in the world. Actually, just taking him at face value is far more helpful than questioning every little thing he does. I believe a lot of what is out there that demonises DAs is written by APs that have been dumped. DAs can move on and not question every little thing that was done in the relationship and so there's not as much written the other way around.
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Post by squirrelkitty on Mar 5, 2018 21:03:42 GMT
On the whole I'm happy with it. It doesn't matter so much to me whether he's trying hard, because I can believe he is unless I get triggered. I think I feel bothered because the way DAs are described in the literature demonises them a bit too much. It's like everything they do gets portrayed as calculating in some way. If they're funny (as my friend is) they're not just funny but they're being funny to attract you. If they manage to be nice, it's because they are plotting some bizarre scheme etc. Lol, my other friend claims that my DA friend must be charming. ROFL, he's the most blunt person in the world. Actually, just taking him at face value is far more helpful than questioning every little thing he does. I believe a lot of what is out there that demonises DAs is written by APs that have been dumped. DAs can move on and not question every little thing that was done in the relationship and so there's not as much written the other way around. Yes that would make sense. The thing is, I'm AP but not massively so, at least not in terms of my behaviour. . E. g. I don't tick every criterion in the list in Jeb's book. I might have very strong dramatic feelings etc, but nowadays I mainly solve these problems by thinking or discussing them with someone other than the person it affects. I don't bother the other person half as much as is described in the literature and as some people do via social media etc. When I read about how to behave towards a DA, it seems I'm mostly on the right track with my friend, and he also makes it easy for me sometimes. I'm not saying that all is rosy or even needs to be rosy. Now, some the stuff my other friend suggests sound like totally AP (or rather they sound like vengefully doing something totally unproductive)... It's like I just want to know the best way of getting along with an DA and my other friend (who is also not secure himself) wants the DA not to be DA.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 5, 2018 22:14:51 GMT
On the whole I'm happy with it. It doesn't matter so much to me whether he's trying hard, because I can believe he is unless I get triggered. I think I feel bothered because the way DAs are described in the literature demonises them a bit too much. It's like everything they do gets portrayed as calculating in some way. If they're funny (as my friend is) they're not just funny but they're being funny to attract you. If they manage to be nice, it's because they are plotting some bizarre scheme etc. Lol, my other friend claims that my DA friend must be charming. ROFL, he's the most blunt person in the world. Actually, just taking him at face value is far more helpful than questioning every little thing he does. I believe a lot of what is out there that demonises DAs is written by APs that have been dumped. DAs can move on and not question every little thing that was done in the relationship and so there's not as much written the other way around. In that scenario, most of the time the DA just thinks "I guess ex was not the one!" and moves on to live a happy single life. Some then seek healing if there has been a pattern of dissatisfying relationships or when wanting to deepen existing connections. Or just for a happier life! This actually puts us in a double bind, because if we learn better social skills to have deeper and more fulfilling relationships, it is seen as a calculating move to attract fresh blood into our evil clutches. If we do not work on ourselves, we are seen as resistant or passive aggressive and playing power games. 25% of the population is DA; most will not show outlier behaviour! It's an attachment style, no more and no less. Just a normal person who feels soms stress or feels turned off when someone gets too close and who feels a stronger sense of being impeded upon when boundaries are being pushed or crossed.
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Post by squirrelkitty on Apr 28, 2018 22:22:20 GMT
Update: The DA has been really nice and helpful on the phone lately and we're getting along better than ever. He seems soooooo much more aware than 15 years ago and we're both communicating 100 times better. He still keeps bringing up the idea that we could meet up, but keeps putting it off to my next visit to my home country. So I'm just completely ignoring that aspect and not going for the bait.
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Post by mrob on Apr 29, 2018 9:59:09 GMT
Put an expectation on him and see how it goes. That’s the acid test.
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Post by squirrelkitty on Apr 29, 2018 18:30:19 GMT
Put an expectation on him and see how it goes. That’s the acid test. What kind of expectation do you mean?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 17:20:10 GMT
What about DA and physical intimacy? Can anyone enlighten me? Is it compartmentalized? So if he's trying very hard for physical intimacy, but not so much in other areas, is this a sincere effort for connection?
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Post by squirrelkitty on Jun 4, 2018 15:52:52 GMT
What about DA and physical intimacy? Can anyone enlighten me? Is it compartmentalized? So if he's trying very hard for physical intimacy, but not so much in other areas, is this a sincere effort for connection? That's an interesting question. What do you mean by physical intimacy? My DA didn't like cuddling, holding hands etc at all. So when he got used to it, yes, I'd say that showed he was making an effort. As for sex... That could be a a DA's way of looking for intimacy, but it depends on their attitude. If they're a player who use sex to dominate people, then no. If they are willing to let go of their control freakery while having sex, that's probably a sign that they are more trustful than normally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 14:26:49 GMT
What about DA and physical intimacy? Can anyone enlighten me? Is it compartmentalized? So if he's trying very hard for physical intimacy, but not so much in other areas, is this a sincere effort for connection? That's an interesting question. What do you mean by physical intimacy? My DA didn't like cuddling, holding hands etc at all. So when he got used to it, yes, I'd say that showed he was making an effort. As for sex... That could be a a DA's way of looking for intimacy, but it depends on their attitude. If they're a player who use sex to dominate people, then no. If they are willing to let go of their control freakery while having sex, that's probably a sign that they are more trustful than normally. The exDA was very sexual, but physically very awkward in daily situations, which is why I asked.
If I want to manipulate him, that would be my angle , if I texted him in a sexy way, he would take the next high speed train and show up, no sign of DA traits.
This is why I'm wondering - what on earth is going on with this exDA?
Is this a booty call or do DAs compartmentalize sex from intimacy, so that sex is ok but intimacy isn't?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 2:37:14 GMT
That's an interesting question. What do you mean by physical intimacy? My DA didn't like cuddling, holding hands etc at all. So when he got used to it, yes, I'd say that showed he was making an effort. As for sex... That could be a a DA's way of looking for intimacy, but it depends on their attitude. If they're a player who use sex to dominate people, then no. If they are willing to let go of their control freakery while having sex, that's probably a sign that they are more trustful than normally. The exDA was very sexual, but physically very awkward in daily situations, which is why I asked.
If I want to manipulate him, that would be my angle , if I texted him in a sexy way, he would take the next high speed train and show up, no sign of DA traits.
This is why I'm wondering - what on earth is going on with this exDA?
Is this a booty call or do DAs compartmentalize sex from intimacy, so that sex is ok but intimacy isn't?
Booty Call. No DA i know will only make effort for sex if they desire a connection. Every DA i know will make an effort at emotional connection if they want an emotional connection. Some DA i know will make an effort for emotional connection to a limited degree even if they only want a booty call. It depends on the person. it depends on the situation. I remember you writing that your Ex DA told you point blank he could not give you what you want in a relationship. and he respected your wishes and boundaries and was very honest with you about his limitations and what he was interested in. The fact that you are still questioning this points to your own issues. you would find peace more quickly if you examine why you are analyzing his behavior in spite of his providing clarity for you. i don't know what has happened in the meantime between that other post i am referencing, and now. But if a DA wants a deepening emotional connection with you, you will know it. whether or not that connection is enough , and backed up by commitment and long term intentions can sometimes be determined more through the use of common sense than attachment theory, frankly. Often, people use attachment theory to try to analyze and find a way around pure emotional unavailabilty. As if understanding and catering to dysfunctional relating habits can form and support true intimacy. i'm not accusing you of that. but it happens a lot here. That's not how it works. Understanding avoidance and compensating for it doesn't create intimacy or relationship, it creates personal inpingement and compensation. that's all it creates. It destroys more in the compensating party than it creates in the relationship. A person (both parties!) must address their internal blocks to intimacy and improve dysfunctional relating habits in order to forge intimacy. It's a dual effort, and one that must be agreed upon mutually, instead of one person jumping in the drivers seat to make all the requests and accommodations for both parties. A mutually agreed upon, openly communicated joint venture is much more likely to be a real connection than a one-sided guessing game where needs, intentions, feelings, and behaviors are all subject to interpretation.
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Post by squirrelkitty on Jun 7, 2018 10:00:51 GMT
Good points. But this isn't what this thread was supposed to be about. It kinda got side tracked. to all the Ap posting on this thread, i want to make sure you know that the motivation behind my posts is to remind you, that you alone can break your patterns of engaging and making relationship attempts with partners who AREN'T TRYING TO DO WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU. I am DA and i have had to learn the very same thing- i have loved people who didn't have my back and considered only themselves. They were on the other end of the spectrum; they hurt me badly also. Self neglect is not specific to attachment style. insecurely attached people have to learn to have their own backs in a healthy way. for all of us, it's about self love, self respect, self care, self trust, and finding someone who can reflect those precious qualities BACK TO US. We need someone who has our back, if we need anyone at all. IF WE NEED ANYONE AT ALL WE NEED SOMEONE WHO HAS OUR BACK!! someone who shares our vision for our future and wants to make it the best it can be, together. I have learned these things also, and it's empowering. Self love and self respect takes the edge off of a whole lot of crap and makes it possible to make tough choices with a sense of pride knowing, you have your own back, and you're looking out for what is good for YOU. i'm going to keep using my voice the way it is and i will give reminders of my intent if necessary, but i'm going to keep beating the personal empowerment drum because that's the only thing that sets people free.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 12:39:04 GMT
i took your
"But if you have thoughts on what i wrote below please do comment"
to be an invitation to share thoughts on what you wrote, i didn't know they had to be particular thoughts -
but 🤐🤐🤐😬👍
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