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Post by Soho on Aug 18, 2016 7:39:34 GMT
I'm not sure if this topic can be discussed on this forum.
Since avoidants find it hard to be too close they usually avoid sex with intimacy. However, I can imagine avoidants can enjoy sex as a physical act. What would be the best ways for an avoidant-non-avoidant couple to keep sex on the agenda? Any success stories to share? I was thinking of introducing the Kamas., keeping it technical, ...?
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Post by raco on Aug 19, 2016 12:29:43 GMT
I guess your chances will be higher if you let your partner initiate the sex (or make him think it's his idea), if you keep it technical, if you don't refer to sex as making love, if you leave the bed (or sleep) right after sex. But if it works, are you sure you could call that a "success story"?
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Post by Soho on Aug 25, 2016 6:25:49 GMT
Thanks! You're probably right about leaving the bed, not referring to love etc. But if I could find some more of these that would make sex more tempting for the avoidant I would already be happy.
And indeed, the only success story would be one where we could meet in the middle and both would be more or less satisfied...
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Post by acho on Sept 3, 2016 13:46:18 GMT
I can answer that one. Sex alone can be great in the beginning. But after a period of time, no matter how carnal or "emotionless", the avoidant will grow tired/bored, and the distancing will begin, often by controlling the frequency. If it was good sex, and you're "hooked", they will feel it's time to start yanking your strings by withholding, disappearing for stretches -- anything to keep you off guessing and off balance. And from the first, they've been studying you to determine your soft underbelly to know how best to dangle you. Then, when their done, they're done -- often they'll just ghost you. Fun, huh? Caveat Emptor!
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Post by Soho on Sept 11, 2016 10:08:35 GMT
I don't fully agree on this. But maybe it's because my wife probably is not 100% dismissive-avoidant. Part of her wants to have more intimacy (mostly emotional, but also physical) and is doing efforts to listen to me and to work on the relationship. We're having couples therapy since a while now, and things are going better. I try to accept the space she needs and nevertheless listen to her when she needs me, and she tries to listen to me too. But then, still, she has the dismissive mechanism that pops-up too many times and starts criticizing my behavior, reactions, comments. I can be very destructive. Then I really have to walk on eggs.
Since I don't want to throw in the towel yet, I'm still looking for extra ways (next to the below) or mechanism to improve the relationship. - accept the space she needs and the fact that she's different on that level. Do not compare with other couples - listen to her when she wants to connect - not criticize her in a direct way - not depend on her - keep sex technical (eg starting with a massage) unless she wants more intimacy - try not to pay attention to disparaging comments and don't let her destruct your integrity
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Post by Jo on Sept 11, 2016 14:04:36 GMT
Hi Soho,
If this works for you then that's good. Perhaps one extra one, which is to gently, but firmly, set your own boundaries and needs (the latter to a reasonable and logical rather than emotional extent). If she wants this to work, she will respect them, even though it might be challenging at times. But her willingness to make an effort will hopefully set up a virtuous circle, in that you will be more willing too, and so it will hopefully develop and improve further. However it could take a little while for this to happen, you both just need to hang on in there.
Best wishes, Jo
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Post by Jason on Sept 13, 2016 17:39:36 GMT
I was diagnosed with dismissive-avoidance years ago but I have struggled with it all my life.
I'm a very physical person and I crave sex constantly but only the physical gratification, when it comes to intimacy I shy away. In a LT setting I found the only thing that works when I start to avoid sex is for my partner to initiate. For whatever reason this excites me and I cannot think of a time when I have attempted to not have sex after my partner makes the first move.
Problem is I do not communicate my need of my partner occasionally taking the lead and the cycle of avoidance continues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 5:48:41 GMT
If the male is the Avoidant, not as much of a problem. If the female is the Avoidant, then good luck to you, buddy. You're gonna need it. And it's long term, you're asking? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Post by trevjim on Oct 2, 2017 17:32:27 GMT
My ex, who i feel was DA, was very sexual.
Sex between she and I was very good, However it was never intimate.
She wanted to be fucked hard, chocked, slapped etc.
I know alot of women like that, but that's all she liked, nothing intimate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 0:07:59 GMT
My ex, who i feel was DA, was very sexual. Sex between she and I was very good, However it was never intimate. She wanted to be fucked hard, chocked, slapped etc. I know alot of women like that, but that's all she liked, nothing intimate. Never married your female DA, huh? Because trust me, it's a who-o-ole nother ballgame once you do.
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Post by leavethelighton on Oct 11, 2017 1:17:32 GMT
In more serious answers, once I read in a book that it helps the avoidant if there is a distraction-- but it doesn't necessarily have to be a disturbing one. I've found a lighting scheme (ex: fire in a fireplace, an interesting computer screensaver) and also music can serve that purpose. Things like fantasy role-playing could also serve that purpose.
Also planning it ahead of time can make it seem less overwhelming to the avoidant person.
Another thing I've noticed is sometimes if a relationship is becoming less sexual, the non-avoidant partner can sort of give up and engage in behaviors that then make it even less likely (ex: bathing less, not shaving, whatever) and while that's certainly their right, it may make things harder for the avoidant person to get in the mood, speaking honestly.
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Post by soho on Oct 25, 2017 20:42:51 GMT
Thx for the feedback. I will try this.
Something I m still not sure of is how to react when my DA wife does me a favour and allows me to have sex with her. She has done it multiple times in the past, after I had told her how important sex and intimacy is.
I appreciate the gesture, but it s not really what I m looking for. My wife thinks I can t refuse this since I m asking for sex and she s giving it. But I m afraid it s not helpful on the long run. It will not help her to love sex again.
What would you do?
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Post by saline on Nov 26, 2017 14:08:34 GMT
What does your wife think about your shared intimacy, Soho? Has she ever spoken to a counselor or another DA woman about this?
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Post by soho on Nov 26, 2017 15:02:30 GMT
Shared intimacy? You mean that we connect when making love? My wife thinks sex is something selfish that has nothing to do with love.
She s been seeing a therapist, but she she stopped after a few sessions cause she found the therapist didn t understand her.
Hardest thing is that she s always so convinced she s right. She can t be bothered. And when I try to question her behavior she will say I'm controlling her.
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Post by saline on Nov 26, 2017 16:46:34 GMT
Am I right in thinking she doesn't see this as something she wants to change, then?
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