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Post by mysteryuser on Aug 23, 2023 0:08:47 GMT
It's been ~6months since my ex ended things (and I was blindsided the second time). I've spent a lot of time reading books, watching videos, and working on my attachment style in therapy, and I feel I've made a lot of progress. Last week, I made a dating app profile, and I thought I'd share a few observations in my thoughts and patterns I've noticed while dating this time around.
The good:
- I'm in NO rush this time around. In the past while dating, I've always been in a rush to find a boyfriend, and the sense of urgency has had me swiping like crazy, schedule more dates than I can handle, and just be so overly desperate, that this is a breath of fresh air. I'll be honest it could very well be because while I never want to go back to my ex, this was my first real relationship, and a part of me is still grieving the life I thought I'd have, as well as the pain my inner child went through. But I'm okay with waiting for the right person
- I've been able to notice the anxiety that is/isn't brought up by the people I speak to/meet on the apps. Someone who only talks about himself and doesn't ask me any questions? I'm able to notice this and view it as a need not being met. Someone who is just aloof and I feel like I'm putting in more effort in the conversation? I'm able to notice how I'm trying to "prove" my self worth and impress the guy. This in itself has been SO helpful, because I'm able to answer honestly if I'm being true to myself
- I have a list of questions in my phone notes that I'm asking myself after longer interactions with someone. They include questions on how I'm feeling / whether I feel like I'm proving my worth / whether I'm being authentic / whether I trust the person etc. This list has been very helpful and I'm happy to share if any one is interested
- I don't spam text my best friend after every time I'm activated romantically. That's about it, these emotions are mine, I know they'll pass, I know what needs to be done for them to pass, and I'll be fine. I don't need her to rescue me
- I don't feel lonely. Relocating to a beautiful new city, starting a new job, making new friends has been wonderful, and I have a full life. I don't feel lonely
The not-so-good:
- My first instinct / attraction is limited to guys who I feel like I need to prove something to and/or someone who is/seems unavailable in some way. Even if I can reason out of this feeling cognitively, the feeling is still there
- I am being overly critical, like I often am. Oh this guy has a good job, seems responsive, makes an effort? But his hair doesn't look the way I prefer it to be. I'm obviously a bit scared to be with somebody again, but I have an equally strong feeling of feeling like there's someone "better" out there. I hate feeling this way, but I can't deny the feeling
- I don't feel attracted to men that pursue me. I feel like I need to pursue someone to feel the rush / spark / chemistry, and I don't know how to get past this
I'm still trying to navigate this slowly, but I genuinely want my next partner to be one I can really build something with. I'm happy to take things slow and build things slowly, observing what comes up in me and taking the steps to be true to myself. I feel like my fear of abandonment is alive, but seeing myself survive a bad heartbreak and working through a lot of shame has subsided this fear a little bit.
My therapist recently mentioned she has an anxious attachment while her husband has a secure attachment and they've been able to work things out simply because they're both willing to show up and do the work. She mentioned I may not find someone secure, or if I do there is no guarantee that the relationship stays "secure" throughout. The key is to find someone who will show up and put in the work. While I agree, I've been burned in the past by people that weren't secure, but I'm also not attracted to people that are secure. So I don't know what to do!
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Post by alexandra on Aug 23, 2023 4:25:12 GMT
In regards to the not-so-good, this is all a normal part of the healing process. Earning secure generally takes a couple years. For being 6 months out in the process, you're in a good place based on the first half of your post! While I would take big sudden steps after little to no progress (or sideways diagonal progress) in my own security, once I was much further along in that, the shift in who I was attracted to was still pretty gradual. I wrote about it in my thread about dating as earned secure: I was still attracted to insecure guys for quite some time, but I would recognize it after a few dates and not stick around (versus when I was textbook AP and they were the only type I had!). So just, be patient with yourself, choosing the right partners for yourself and feeling attraction for a new "type" is still a process that doesn't shift overnight when you've had a lifetime of conditioning into insecure attachment. Keep working on your own identity, sense of self esteem, figuring out your triggers, healing that fear of abandonment -- and as you continue to get more grounded in yourself, shifts in who you find attractive will naturally follow as you're more and more ready for that kind of dynamic.
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Post by mysteryuser on Aug 23, 2023 18:23:56 GMT
Thanks! And yeah I definitely agree in that not only will this be slow I'll also see slower growth the more I get better. My therapist has also mentioned I seem to be on the right track. I just checked out your post about that and I'll try to "follow along" as well, observing if I am going through similar feelings.
I'm trying to still find whether the hesitation with available men is coming from. Whether it's finding them clingy/weird or being critical of their appearance (in the past I've usually liked very conventionally good-looking men, while acknowledging that I don't look like an Instagram model by any means -- I probably go after them because they're "out of my league"/someone I feel I have to impress). To some degree it is my Asian background making me think about what other people might think/say about my partner because I do find a lot of from my social/family circles back home to be fairly judgmental. But it's also me considering my partner to be an extension of my self-worth, which is a boundary issue. And there's also the matter of keeping true intimacy at bay. Still trying to figure out how to manage these feelings.
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Post by trippintre on Aug 23, 2023 19:49:06 GMT
I'm in a similar spot as you - about 9 months post breakup and still unpacking all of these things. I've made significant strides and I genuinely feel like a different person than I did a year ago but still feeling stuck in a lot of ways. It just takes time. Proud of you for doing the work! I can really relate to that frustration with being attracted to people who are "bad for you." I still don't have answers but I'm hoping that the more I focus on standing up for myself the less frequently I'll get stuck in situations that are bound to hurt me. Instead off worrying about who I'm "attracted to," I'm focusing on speaking up about things that concern me and addressing them rather than looking the other way which is what has gotten me in trouble in the past. I've been doing this in my friendships/platonic relationships as well and hoping that helps me when it comes time for me to date someone again and be more brave about speaking up for my feelings. I definitely have issues with codependency (alcoholic parent) and coming to terms with that has been the biggest item on my healing "to-do list." I think for both of us it's going to be hard to imagine being attracted to more secure people because we just aren't quite there yet. Which is ok! Again, I really think it just takes time and consistent effort. Most people aren't even half as self aware as you so that is a great start
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Post by mysteryuser on Aug 23, 2023 23:59:42 GMT
Proud of you as well trippintre and thank you! I remember a few of your posts resonating with me to the T. I think your approach of focusing on speaking up makes a lot of sense, because even if I do go on dates with guys that may be "unavailable", if I speak up/place boundaries/ask for my needs to be met and they aren't, that in itself is important info that I would have previously ignored. This time, I feel like I have more power and willingness to walk away, but I am still healing my abandonment wound. What you said is very similar to what my therapist said, but she also highlighted that hoping to only be attracted to secure people need not be the primary goal, but more so to find someone you can make a secure dynamic with by paying attention to how they handle conflict and whether they're willing to work on themselves and keep commitments.
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Post by mysteryuser on Aug 24, 2023 1:22:59 GMT
alexandra I read through your thread on secure dating. It was a very heart-warming read and I'm glad you were able to find what you were looking for. It's always good to see "role models" that have overcome attachment wounding in ways I want to (my parents definitely haven't). I found it very interesting that you were at a point where you could confidently gauge if someone had an insecure attachment. I'm curious if insecure attachment was a complete dealbreaker for you then?
One of the reasons I'm asking is because even insecure attachments manifest in so many different ways. I've had friends who show almost NO emotion in any way even after years of knowing them that would certainly be a total red flag for me if I were dating them (and I would think they're DAs), but they've been in seemingly happy relationships for years. On the other hand, my ex seemed largely secure for the first 6 months (there were definitely some signs I ignored, but that's what it seemed like then) but completely blindsided me once he was very attached.
One of the qualities that I truly want in a partner is whatever that might constitute "staying power"/commitment -- whether it be confrontation/conflict-resolution skills, loyalty, self-awareness, and the ability to work on oneself to keep commitments. I'm really unsure on how to gauge this at the initial talking/dating stage. At this point all I can tell is if someone is being consistent and making an effort. What are the signs you looked for? Sometimes it's hard to know if what I'm feeling is my anxiety vs someone else's actions. I know I can't control what others do, but I really don't want to put myself in a position to be attached to someone who will blindside me. That was one of the most painful experiences of my life, second only to the time I've been seriously depressed
That said, this snippet from your thread makes a lot of sense:
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Post by alexandra on Aug 24, 2023 3:32:35 GMT
I think it is just a matter of being open to building a slower connection before really investing, so that you've got the time to gauge the consistency and sit with your feelings long enough to figure out if any anxiety you feel is warranted or if it's projection. And if the person is not only consistent in words versus actions versus feelings, but also is consistent in showing up for you.
Example: I briefly referred to a guy in my thread who seemed really secure and extremely consistent but then kind of blindsided me after 2-3 months that he was still dating around without saying anything to me about it and had met someone he liked better. I was disappointed but also confused (making me feel disrespected as well, unlike with secure people who were open about early multi-dating, that was totally fine even if they clicked better with someone else!), and concluded that he had given me some clues about how he is in relationships from talking about his past. He was a great communicator IF there was no real conflict and both people were on the same page. However, if they weren't, he wanted things his way and would skirt around issues and do what he wanted anyway, but then be good at repairing afterwards. So nothing would get resolved, and he would continue to do what he wanted on a technicality that maybe something was verbally omitted, but no one was fighting or angry because he wanted to talk to make sure everyone's emotions were smooth. The way this manifested in our conversation was in what he had to say about a very long-term relationship that never really ended up moving forward considering how long it lasted. And he couldn't explain why it hit a wall and was stagnant for so many years. So when it came down to it, it meant he was comfortable as just an indefinite although committed boyfriend when I was looking for a husband (I don't remember his age, but around 40, so eventual husband was not unreasonable) because that's what his actions revealed, no matter what his words were. It seemed like he was consistent, and it took getting to know him better to find out he was not, so I was glad I didn't over-invest based on him being quite a good fit on paper.
Sometimes it just takes time and enough curiosity to get to know someone and you can't hurry that.
Another example: when I met my husband, things were super easy. But we didn't know each other yet, and there was a day or two that he totally disappeared. I freaked out to myself, because he had been consistent (usually he'd let me know if he would be out of reach here and there) and suddenly those thoughts flooded, was I wrong about him?? I'd dated so many insecures who would pull this... I started projecting based on that experience. Well, he was sick and had fallen asleep and slept for an amount of time that I cannot lol. And as we spent more time together in person, I found that it's true that that just happens occasionally with him. It was my own anxiety that time causing the problem, and I was able to self-soothe and briefly discuss it with him when he popped back up. It also wasn't something that kept coming up a lot and I was making excuses about to hold the relationship together or anything.
Another good way to gauge things is, do things feel easy? Is the other person placing obstacles in front of the two of you, or removing them? And is that because you're only seeing the idealized good, or is there really consistent effort there and possibly teamwork as you build a mutual foundation?
In regards to dating insecures and that being a dealbreaker, I think at that point for me it was (I was a good deal older than you already and had dated sooo many people). But. I think there is something to be said if you meet someone who is insecure but actively in process working on it. If someone is serious about putting in the effort into themselves and learning to show up for themselves, then that may be very worth giving them a chance to see if you are otherwise compatible, share values, want the same things in life, are at the same life stage, all that important stuff. I find that if someone's there and in process, they will be open and able to talk about it in a healthy way with good boundaries, without inappropriately oversharing or trauma dumping or trauma bonding.
An unaware insecure though? Would have been a dealbreaker, yes. I'm not someone's therapist or mother, by that point in my life I wanted to date an emotionally mature adult partner, no excuses.
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Post by mysteryuser on Aug 24, 2023 13:26:14 GMT
Thanks for the detailed response, it's super helpful. It makes sense about the unaware insecure vs someone who is working on themselves as well as taking time to let things build gradually and observing what comes up. The part about removing obstacles is also a good indicator because these could not only be ones placed by external circumstances but also those that we place through unhelpful behaviors/thoughts. I think how they talk about their previous relationships and showing effort to making the next one better is also a big sign, as you pointed out.
The part about being good at conflict when there was no real conflict is similar to my ex as well. He was able to bring up his needs and feelings when it was a small thing he knew I could 'fix', but when push came to shove and the question of possible long-distance came up where it was clear there may not be a clear "solution" but to take a risk, he blindsided me instead of having a conversation about being scared of the uncertainty.
So in addition to someone who is able to respond well when I talk about my needs -- I want someone who can talk about their needs. I feel like as I move towards healing my abandonment wound and start drawing smaller boundaries over time I'm going to get to a point where I'll be in a position to honestly communicate my feelings and needs. I'm building the trust with myself that I always lacked, and I've healed enough in other ways that I know I'll get where I need to be. But for me to be able to fully trust the other person, I want to see them ask for what they want and ask for a compromise that works for both of us and keeps both of us happy.
Another thing that I think is mostly possible to gauge from the beginning (although in very subtle ways) is if they like me/ want to be with me because they appreciate me as opposed to how I make them feel/how I do something for them. Looking back, a lot of compliments my ex gave me were about how I made him feel cared for, put in effort into the relationship etc., which meant when I inevitably slipped up or wasn't able to meet his standard due to external (or internal) reasons, he started resenting me.
Part of this healing journey has also been about understanding that as a kid I always tried to make things "easy" for my parents because I was parentified, and so I always feel the urge to prove myself to someone. I don't want to do that anymore, and I want someone to want to be with me simply for who I am, without pretense or having to impress (hell, I remember drinking whiskey for a year because my then crush preferred whiskey even though I'm a tropical fruity cocktail gal, and I don't want to do that or anything like that anymore!)
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