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Post by notalone on Jul 12, 2018 18:57:49 GMT
I dated someone briefly before he told me he’s non-committal, and it takes him a very long time (like 6-12 months) to decide if he trusts and wants a committed relationship with someone. He also shared that he has a solid track record of feeling suffocated in relationships and ending them. After he told me that a month ago, I ended things with him, we didn’t speak for 2 weeks, and then we started communicating again. In the 2 weeks we didn’t speak he slept with 2 different women, and told me about it. He’s very casual about sex. Our communication is mostly PG but sometimes he tries to flirt, which I don’t generally reciprocate. Part of me is hoping if we stay in contact he’ll want a relationship with me eventually. I’m scared it’ll never happen though and I’ll get more hurt, and waste my time obsessing. Then there’s a part of me that thinks it would be a terrible idea to be in a relationship with him, given his commitment issues and relationship history. But I can’t stop thinking about him. I’m so confused as to whether I really like him or if it’s just my attachment anxiety pushing me to hold on, and get reassurance that I’m lovable. I’m trying to decide if I should go no contact. Half of me says go no contact and the other half says see it through. Both sides are incredibly loud, and anxious. Please can you tell me your thoughts?
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 12, 2018 19:14:26 GMT
My thoughts are...he has told you who he is..he has revealed to you that he is not a good candidate for a future relationship...if the voice that wants to stay in touch is hoping to end up dating him long term..then you have your answer. The thing is..as APs we can get very hopeful that things will be different with us..that we can love these guys in a way that is different and will lead to a different outcome. That is completely plausible in a Hollywood movie...not so much in reality. If you don't think you can keep it casual and just be friends...then NC is probably best to protect your heart and emotions.
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Post by notalone on Jul 12, 2018 19:25:23 GMT
My thoughts are...he has told you who he is..he has revealed to you that he is not a good candidate for a future relationship...if the voice that wants to stay in touch is hoping to end up dating him long term..then you have your answer. The thing is..as APs we can get very hopeful that things will be different with us..that we can love these guys in a way that is different and will lead to a different outcome. That is completely plausible in a Hollywood movie...not so much in reality. If you don't think you can keep it casual and just be friends...then NC is probably gets to protect your heart and emotions. tnr@tnr9 thank-you for your honesty. He gave some indication that once he trusts, he wants a LTR, but more signs point to not gonna happen. I think NC is best. How does one even do that? Block his number? I've never done this before.
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Post by notalone on Jul 12, 2018 20:08:09 GMT
As I let the idea that NC is best for me sink in, the thoughts "he doesn't want me" and "he'll end up committing to someone else" feel so painful. All evidence points to the fact that this is just how he is but some part of me just feels like it's me, like I'm not good enough, pretty enough, lovable enough, etc. I hate this about myself. I feel so self absorbed and like I'm letting my precious life be stolen by pain and rumination. I keep trying to focus on something else, or have self-compassion, and it's really hard. I'm not sure what to do.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 12, 2018 21:37:37 GMT
As I let the idea that NC is best for me sink in, the thoughts "he doesn't want me" and "he'll end up committing to someone else" feel so painful. All evidence points to the fact that this is just how he is but some part of me just feels like it's me, like I'm not good enough, pretty enough, lovable enough, etc. I hate this about myself. I feel so self absorbed and like I'm letting my precious life be stolen by pain and rumination. I keep trying to focus on something else, or have self-compassion, and it's really hard. I'm not sure what to do. So...here is a thought...don't go NC.....but....post here when he reaches out for a reality check, a reminder that contact does not necessarily mean interest, just as no contact does not necessarily mean rejection. I think for APs NC is especially hard and it is perfectly fine that you choose to keep the line of communication open. You do have other options that may work better for you with regards to this situation. You are also allowed to keep the door open and then decide NC is better....the point is to consider your needs and not how he will react or respond to your boundary. Good luck.
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Post by leavethelighton on Jul 12, 2018 23:40:06 GMT
I agree with TNR9. And try not to take it personally and internalize negative thoughts about yourself-- after all, he's not in an LTR with anyone else either, so there is no evidence that his not being with you has anything to do with you It sounds like he actually really isn't into monogamy or commitment. As for whether to go NC, I think it depends on how much the friendship will affect you. If being friends will prevent you from dating or having interest in other people, then it may be in your best interest to go NC. If you can stay friends and handle whatever feelings you have in relation to him, the ups and downs, while still feeling like you have a balanced/healthy life with various friends and real romantic potentials with other people, then a friendship may be possible. The question is whether you can accept the way he treats you or is it a dealbreaker. Like Tnr9 said, it's also possible that for now it's not a dealbreaker but you can change your mind at some point in the future. Don't feel like you have to come up with a final answer on this.
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Post by mistakes on Jul 13, 2018 11:47:52 GMT
Thanks for asking this questions and both answers, it’s helpful for me as well, and wish you all well^^
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Post by mistakes on Jul 13, 2018 11:55:49 GMT
I recently learn that, stop being codependent, means letting go, and letting go doesn’t mean stop caring, but true caring does not drag self-inner status into worries nor anxiety, true caring does not put my imput and hoping the outcome fit into my own expectation.
This concept gave me security feeling, in order to let go, for I could become true caring for the person!
I practiced that for one week, and am feeling better. No longer lost in keeping strict NC yet confused if I’m just wanting to make the person respond to me. I shared my desire for the friendship to the person yesterday, he didn’t respond, yet I could truely respect without feeling up sad!
Good luck, and it’s nice to know that we are not struggling alone^^
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Post by recovering71 on Jul 13, 2018 12:05:26 GMT
Tnr9 that is great advice
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Post by notalone on Jul 13, 2018 12:56:46 GMT
As I let the idea that NC is best for me sink in, the thoughts "he doesn't want me" and "he'll end up committing to someone else" feel so painful. All evidence points to the fact that this is just how he is but some part of me just feels like it's me, like I'm not good enough, pretty enough, lovable enough, etc. I hate this about myself. I feel so self absorbed and like I'm letting my precious life be stolen by pain and rumination. I keep trying to focus on something else, or have self-compassion, and it's really hard. I'm not sure what to do. don't go NC.....but....post here when he reaches out for a reality check, a reminder that contact does not necessarily mean interest, just as no contact does not necessarily mean rejection. Thanks again t@tnr9
Are you suggesting post here and do not reply to him?
Also, are you suggesting that him contacting me means he's not interested in me at all? Or just in a relationship? Or something else? I wasn't clear on this part.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 13, 2018 13:20:47 GMT
don't go NC.....but....post here when he reaches out for a reality check, a reminder that contact does not necessarily mean interest, just as no contact does not necessarily mean rejection. Thanks again t@tnr9
Are you suggesting post here and do not reply to him?
Also, are you suggesting that him contacting me means he's not interested in me at all? Or just in a relationship? Or something else? I wasn't clear on this part.
What I was trying to convey is that if he reaches out..instead of getting your hopes all caught up in "possibility"..which is vey AP...allow your fellow APs to remind you of what "is". I am saying that him reaching out and contacting you is just that..contact..you cannot know the "context" unless you specifically ask him ad with it being so very new...the focus should be finding out more about how you feel with him then focusing on the potential for a relationship.
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Post by notalone on Jul 16, 2018 15:44:02 GMT
Thanks again t@tnr9
Are you suggesting post here and do not reply to him?
Also, are you suggesting that him contacting me means he's not interested in me at all? Or just in a relationship? Or something else? I wasn't clear on this part.
What I was trying to convey is that if he reaches out..instead of getting your hopes all caught up in "possibility"..which is vey AP...allow your fellow APs to remind you of what "is". I am saying that him reaching out and contacting you is just that..contact..you cannot know the "context" unless you specifically ask him ad with it being so very new...the focus should be finding out more about how you feel with him then focusing on the potential for a relationship. tnr9 thanks for explaining that. I appreciate it a lot. I haven't spoken to him since I started this thread... After we have spoken or seen each other, even when I think about him, I feel very anxious. His energy is confident, detached and I started to see that there's a lot of hostility and mistrust in him, but he has this allure and I crave him. I think wanting him is really unhealthy, and I want to let go, but there's this addict inside me that wants him like he's a drug. I keep trying to tell myself in time I'll feel differently. A few years ago I dated a guy who turned out to be a narcissist and I had a similar draw. Once I finally ended it and let go, it took time, but I stopped craving him, I could see him clearly, and I stopped wanting him. The current guy is far more suave, successful, smart, and good looking than my ex, which feels dangerous and terrifying. After I dated my ex narc I felt it would have been so much worse if my ex was smarter and not so transparent in his attempts to manipulate me. One major difference is that my ex was actually trying to make changes, but he became abusive so I had to leave. The current guy shows no signs of wanting to work on himself. So walking away seems like the only reasonable option. And even as I write that, this voice in my head says "yes, walk away, and maybe he'll miss you and come after you", even though we've not communicated for periods in the past and he didn't come after me, and even though I think I'd get so hurt if I dated him because I don't think it would work out. Deep breaths! One day at a time! I need to change this cycle of unhealthy relationships, and I think walking away from this is an important step.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 17:08:17 GMT
hi notalone. i want to encourage you , that there isn't a right or wrong way to do this. as long as you are diligent in your effort to awaken to your own self-abandoning habits that you learned in order to cope when you were young, that process will eventually lead you to where you want to be in your relationships both with yourself and with others. So have faith, that if you keep at it, you will be ok. just keep going. also, i just listened to a talk about letting go of things that we want, which are ultimately causing us a lot of pain. It applies to persons, situations, outcomes, which we can't control but have a strong preference about. i have had to do this with my relationship and other things also. It's been helpful. I will share the process, and you can decide if it is helpful to you. It's a way of thinking through the situation and being in touch with the reality of it, and being very present to the feelings and thoughts that arise, in order to slow down the story-telling and mental traps that go along with denial and clinging to what we can't have. In your situation, the process might look like this: 1) I recognize that i have a strong, even overwhelming preference for things to be other than they are. What i would prefer is to be in a healthy intimate relationship with this person. 2). I recognize, that for reasons beyond my control, this person has not made themselves available to me, and has not partnered with me to make my strong preference, a reality. 3) The painful reality is that the engagement with this person is toxic and unhealthy for me. I feel i cannot live with it, or without it. Holding on like this makes me suffer terribly. I want to be able to let go, to stop hurting this way. 4). I vow to be present to myself and acknowledge in my body, and my mind, every thought and feeling that arises when i think about or am confronted with this situation . I will feel the emotions, identify them; and identify how they feel in my body. I will let them be, i will not do anything to run from them, numb them, relieve them. I will just feel them. 5). I am able to do this, because i recognize the reality, that these feelings are transient, like everything, ,they will arise, stay, and then subside. This is true of everything- everything changes. things in the past that disturbed me, no longer disturb me. this will pass also. As my feelings come up, i can look at them as real, important, but also transient , and subject to change. I can feel them and let them pass, without acting on them. 6). I will remind myself, that my pain and suffering is not coming from that person, that situation- in reality, it is coming from my inability so far, to let go and release it. This is my struggle, and my struggle alone- to let go. I want to be able to let go. 7). I will remind myself; that others who have been careful to practice working with their feelings and their sense of loss and disappointment this way, have been able to lessen the attachment. They have been able to take the the emphasis off of their preference, while focusing on healing the emotions that arise as a result of loss and disappointment. Others before me have been able to transform, and i believe that i can also, if i dedicate myself to it. This is a process of patience, gentleness to yourself, awareness, and taking control of your mind. It can be undertaken all day, every day, whether you are in contact or not. the point is, to repetitively practice and to have faith in your ability to be successful at it. Each day, you may notice that the emphasis on what you WISH could be, becomes less important than the reality, and what you do have control over. You may notice that you are able to be less impulsive in trying to ease the feelings, noticing that by just accepting them and feeling them, they lose their power to propel you into habitual acting out. You may notice as the days pass, that you have a new respect and tenderness growing for yourself, as you take better care of your feelings than anyone else ever has in your life, ever! I recognize that the activated attachment system of an AP is intensely difficult to work with so i am not minimizing that. But i just wanted to share what i have practiced, maybe you can take some or all of it to help you with your own process.
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Post by notalone on Jul 16, 2018 17:44:44 GMT
hi notalone . i want to encourage you , that there isn't a right or wrong way to do this. as long as you are diligent in your effort to awaken to your own self-abandoning habits that you learned in order to cope when you were young, that process will eventually lead you to where you want to be in your relationships both with yourself and with others. So have faith, that if you keep at it, you will be ok. just keep going. also, i just listened to a talk about letting go of things that we want, which are ultimately causing us a lot of pain. It applies to persons, situations, outcomes, which we can't control but have a strong preference about. i have had to do this with my relationship and other things also. It's been helpful. I will share the process, and you can decide if it is helpful to you. It's a way of thinking through the situation and being in touch with the reality of it, and being very present to the feelings and thoughts that arise, in order to slow down the story-telling and mental traps that go along with denial and clinging to what we can't have. In your situation, the process might look like this: 1) I recognize that i have a strong, even overwhelming preference for things to be other than they are. What i would prefer is to be in a healthy intimate relationship with this person. 2). I recognize, that for reasons beyond my control, this person has not made themselves available to me, and has not partnered with me to make my strong preference, a reality. 3) The painful reality is that the engagement with this person is toxic and unhealthy for me. I feel i cannot live with it, or without it. Holding on like this makes me suffer terribly. I want to be able to let go, to stop hurting this way. 4). I vow to be present to myself and acknowledge in my body, and my mind, every thought and feeling that arises when i think about or am confronted with this situation . I will feel the emotions, identify them; and identify how they feel in my body. I will let them be, i will not do anything to run from them, numb them, relieve them. I will just feel them. 5). I am able to do this, because i recognize the reality, that these feelings are transient, like everything, ,they will arise, stay, and then subside. This is true of everything- everything changes. things in the past that disturbed me, no longer disturb me. this will pass also. As my feelings come up, i can look at them as real, important, but also transient , and subject to change. I can feel them and let them pass, without acting on them. 6). I will remind myself, that my pain and suffering is not coming from that person, that situation- in reality, it is coming from my inability so far, to let go and release it. This is my struggle, and my struggle alone- to let go. I want to be able to let go. 7). I will remind myself; that others who have been careful to practice working with their feelings and their sense of loss and disappointment this way, have been able to lessen the attachment. They have been able to take the the emphasis off of their preference, while focusing on healing the emotions that arise as a result of loss and disappointment. Others before me have been able to transform, and i believe that i can also, if i dedicate myself to it. This is a process of patience, gentleness to yourself, awareness, and taking control of your mind. It can be undertaken all day, every day, whether you are in contact or not. the point is, to repetitively practice and to have faith in your ability to be successful at it. Each day, you may notice that the emphasis on what you WISH could be, becomes less important than the reality, and what you do have control over. You may notice that you are able to be less impulsive in trying to ease the feelings, noticing that by just accepting them and feeling them, they lose their power to propel you into habitual acting out. You may notice as the days pass, that you have a new respect and tenderness growing for yourself, as you take better care of your feelings than anyone else ever has in your life, ever! I recognize that the activated attachment system of an AP is intensely difficult to work with so i am not minimizing that. But i just wanted to share what i have practiced, maybe you can take some or all of it to help you with your own process. juniper Thank-you so much. This is awesome, it chocked me up. I'm going to print it and read it regularly. #7 in particular hit me hard...I find it so hard to believe I can transform, and at the same time I want to more than anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 17:53:09 GMT
notalone, i am glad you can see the hope in it, i'm glad it touched you. it's absolutely true. it's like riding a bike, or learning anything. you can try, fail, fall back, feel pain, but commit yourself to trying. that's a commitment to yourself. little by little, you will loosen this grip on you. every day, keep that vision, with the understanding that it will take time but you HAVE the time. you do! i envision a rope of many strands, that has bound me, but each day, i am able to cut a single strand of the rope, i hold that vision, and i keep practicing. i am doing this with anger i feel over family dynamics, at this point in my life. and i am feeling more peace every day. each day, i can understand the purpose of the anger, and how it helps me to know what is right, what is wrong for me. and i am finally able to let it go, let it become less, each day that i practice this.
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