Compassionate Avoidant
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Post by Compassionate Avoidant on Feb 24, 2017 3:10:07 GMT
What do you think an avoidant leaning person should do about the whole phantom ex / fantasy soulmate thing? The books say to "nix it" but how? I've always been a person who had a LOT of fantasies. In a way I think my fantasy life sustains me. I could probably change who I fantasize about to some degree, but I can't imagine how I would nix it-- I would just be replacing one fantasy with another.
However, as a person in a longterm relationship (15 years), I can see how it distracts me from my relationship-- it allows me to distance myself-- and also contributes towards my feeling chronically discontent.
I am trying to work harder to remind myself that fantasy is only fantasy and that it is never going to somehow magically become reality-- that I'm not really going to ever end up with fantasy soulmate even if I spend decades imagining how the scenario could occur-- but other than that I am not sure I could nix it. It would feel like losing part of myself, like losing something sustaining.
Anyway, I think it's funny the books are like "nix it." I'm like...how exactly?
Also do people with secure attachment styles really not hold onto longterm fantasies, or do they just do better at distinguishing fantasy from reality?
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Post by Jaeger on Feb 24, 2017 23:43:51 GMT
Speaking as a secure, fantasy doesn't do much for me. It only emphasizes all that is lacking, whereas I prefer to focus on what is present and work towards changing anything that isn't working out together. I see living in a fantasy as a cop out to being present, identifying issues and improving a relationship. I think that tendency to focus on fantasy and make themselves believe that something is missing or wrong, compared to their idealized version of reality, is what allows an dismissive to rationalize ending a long term relationship, only to begin the same cycle anew.
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Post by gaynxious on Feb 25, 2017 2:49:33 GMT
I find I myself depend largely on fantasy as well. I often fantasize about how my life could have turned out were I to have made different decisions with hind sight. This is prolly common among anxious people as we tend to ruminate a lot. I think it also allows me to imagine I'm that person that was able to behave as in the fantasy because I mentally take myself through the experience. It's a coping mechanism and prolly not the best. It probably distracts from real growth. I also have non rumitory fantasies that basically center around what I could be. It's so much simpler than devoting your energies to how you could make your real situation better. In fantasy people behave as you expect and any challenges you face are ones you think you can handle and are prepared for. Coping with life as it happens is so much harder. I'm sure fantasy is useful but I imagine insecures use it too much.
As far as nixing the fantasy I wouldn't know how to advise you. The only thing I could think of is mindfulness therapy which focuses on paying attention to the here and now as well as your feelings. Both anxious and avoidant people generally lack mindfulness compared to secures. For me I have become very reliant on adopting some determinist thinking. My fantasy is that my ex and I get back together and live happily ever after. I have internalized that this is a fantasy that will never be real. I use things from our relationship to remind me but also I take a deterministic view of attachment theory. While I am sure there are anxious avoidant couples that work and are happy. I tell myself I won't be one of them. As soon as I identify someone as an avoidant I take them off the table romantically. Maybe I might miss out on someone that can control their triggers and has something to offer but I chose to believe the odds are against me and move on. It's possible you could do this with your fantasy partner. They don't exist, and any real partner will provided challenges and compromises. If you learn of anything I am sure other avoidants might find it helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 6:22:26 GMT
This is an interesting question. I'm avoidant, but I don't have the fantasy ex or fantasize really about anything. When I was a kid, I did it a lot. I fantasized about having the perfect loving family with a mother that would comfort and hug me. I never got anything close, so maybe I figured out that they don't come true.
It's a coping mechanism, whether one uses it to get away from reality (self soothing) or to create distance when you are afraid. You say that it leads to chronic discontent, but I wonder if it actually lessens your discontent. For avoidants, creating distance at times, can actually help sustain your relationship (keep you in it longer) rather than becoming so frightened by the closeness which leads to running away forever.
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Post by Zack on Feb 27, 2017 20:59:21 GMT
I think the phantom ex/fantasy ex, is a psychological defense mechanism used by avoidant to create distance. I think the phantom ex refers generally to a previous partner they were in a relationship with that met a lot of their needs. This person and their reflection on the past with this person (often idealized in mind) become a point of comparison to criticize their current partner within their mind. They can never measure up to this person and thus they use this as a tool on a subconscious level to create internal and external criticism of their existing partner.
Both the phantom ex and fantasy ex become a dismissive weapon to keep their partner insecure and thrown off. My wife never had a phantom ex but always a fantasy or idealized ex. It was used to remind me often that I didn't measure up to her idea of the perfect person to her. It is a very effective weapon and it makes you feel like you are not worthy of this person and lucky to have them.
In regards to secure people with a fantasy sure I have have always had thoughts of what an ideal partner would be like, look like, and act like. But, it is more of just a roadmap for me in regards to what I am looking for in a person. I try to find someone with as many of these qualities that is attracted to me and that I am attracted to as well. Once involved I see less and less of the parts that don't meet my fantasy. It's not that they go away. They just don't effect me in a negative way and I find myself celebrating the things about the person that I like.
But, to your original question how do you just nix it... As a secure person this is difficult to answer, because what seems simple as a secure person seems very difficult for an avoidant. But, I think in order to do it you have to accept that your idea of a fantasy person is indeed just fantasy. You have to train yourself to look at all the good qualities in a person and not compare their bad qualities to your fantasy person. When you stop seeing the flaws you can see so many wonderful things in others. There is beauty in everyone but perfection in no one.
To me that seems very simple, but having experienced the other side of it first hand I realize how difficult it can be. If you can accept it and somehow nix it you are moving one step closer to secure. Which imho is a much happier place to be. I wish you the best on your journey and find the fact that you even asked the question a great first step.
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Post by trixie5179 on Mar 6, 2017 14:19:21 GMT
I'm not sure if this would be considered a "phantom ex" situation, but I do know that my ex avoidant boyfriend (while we were dating) still was very hurt and haunted by his ex gf who broke up with him 8 years earlier. He only mentioned it to me a couple times, but from what he said, it was clear that 8 years later he still hadn't gained any perspective on the situation and felt rejected. When it comes to interpersonal relationships with women, he is very avoidant..... I never felt that he was 'in love' with his ex or anything, but moreso (in a way) obsessed with being rejected. So in that sense, he did have a phantom ex.
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