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Post by tnr9 on Sept 9, 2018 14:54:05 GMT
Today is my first day without the community. I am sick with a cold so I would not go anyways...but I have come to realize that what I thought was an incredibly altruistic gesture of telling B he should stay in the community when he offered to leave, was in fact just another example of me dishonoring my own needs. Part of how this came to light is that I read this article www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/recognising-healthy-interactions-and-relationships-theres-a-simple-way-to-do-it/I loved the the strength I read in it and I realized that I was not providing that same strength to myself. This is a repeated issue with me...I tend to think of the other person and what that person may need over what I need...and that is something that I must work on. So..with this new awareness...are there suggestions from the community how I can grow in this new awareness of honoring myself? Much love and regards to this community who has taught me so much already.❤️
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 15:41:33 GMT
Today is my first day without the community. I am sick with a cold so I would not go anyways...but I have come to realize that what I thought was an incredibly altruistic gesture of telling B he should stay in the community when he offered to leave, was in fact just another example of me dishonoring my own needs. Part of how this came to light is that I read this article www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/recognising-healthy-interactions-and-relationships-theres-a-simple-way-to-do-it/I loved the the strength I read in it and I realized that I was not providing that same strength to myself. This is a repeated issue with me...I tend to think of the other person and what that person may need over what I need...and that is something that I must work on. So..with this new awareness...are there suggestions from the community how I can grow in this new awareness of honoring myself? Much love and regards to this community who has taught me so much already.❤️ this is a great article. i don't agree with a lot of things i read from Nat just because she is really spiteful and hateful about avoidants, and tends to justify that somehow. however, she does a great job of illuminating the issues of self neglect in the anxious side, and i thinning it can be empowering, as long as a victim mentality is consciously avoided. In your case, where you harm yourself by over-giving and over-empathy, i would encourage you to LOOK OUT FOR NUMBER ONE!! 😍 i would encourage a RADICAL shift to swing the pendulum. And, i mean honest listening to yourself and assessment of your own needs and well-being, FIRST AND ONLY until you get the hang of knowing what you need, what you REALLY NEED, not in relation to someone else that you have an attachment to. this isn't about selfishness, it's about taking care of yourself first and learning how to do that in a healthy way, with boundaries. so that you can love someone from a gem and solid foundation of personal security and self-loves How to do this? I know Nat has some good guides, and even does some personal coaching. If you contact her tell her Juniper has a bone to pick with her ignorant assessment of the mind of an avoidant. Jkjk - she is good at what she does, just limited.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 15:54:46 GMT
Today is my first day without the community. I am sick with a cold so I would not go anyways...but I have come to realize that what I thought was an incredibly altruistic gesture of telling B he should stay in the community when he offered to leave, was in fact just another example of me dishonoring my own needs. Part of how this came to light is that I read this article www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/recognising-healthy-interactions-and-relationships-theres-a-simple-way-to-do-it/I loved the the strength I read in it and I realized that I was not providing that same strength to myself. This is a repeated issue with me...I tend to think of the other person and what that person may need over what I need...and that is something that I must work on. So..with this new awareness...are there suggestions from the community how I can grow in this new awareness of honoring myself? Much love and regards to this community who has taught me so much already.❤️ tnr9, in my thread, juniper asked my why was I protecting my ex? What is the "payoff"? I think she is completely right. There is a "payoff" to the action and figuring out what that is and why we need it is enlightening. I knew what my script was (through therapy) but I am still not able to apply the knowledge and be released from it. I think it's a life journey.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 16:20:46 GMT
it's true, any time we are maneuvering to "take care" and "love" someone to ourown detriment, there is a hidden payoff, we are trying in an indirect way to prove or obtain something in order to try to fix something in ourselves we haven't been able to address directly. It isn't necessarily something dark and evil and bad about us, it's something broken in need of repair, something wounded in need of healing.
it's us trying to orchestrate a happy ending , but not in a way that addresses the true happiness of US. It's fixing. It's avoiding. It's hiding. And it hurts!
When we can uncover the script, we can change it. we can re-write it.
As you can see, in @mary's case, it's often a deep deeep pain over grief and loss, where caretaking is just an attempt to replace what cannot be replaced, to change what cannot be changed, and the answer is to just grieve and allow grief to be transformed to understanding, and compassion, for ourselves and others.
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Post by andy on Sept 9, 2018 18:50:11 GMT
This is such an important awareness and intention to honour your own needs, tnr9! For me it helps to recognize that all of my feelings are valid AND also that not all of my feelings are directly resulting from the person or situation but may be coming up as a result of deeply hurtful past experiences. i.e. the feelings can result from triggers, but they are no less real and no less important for me to tend to lovingly for that reason. It can be a balancing act to figure out which feelings to bring to another person and ask them to adjust their behaviour for and which feelings to work on in yourself before bringing them up. But ideally, our important people would be receptive to hearing all of our feelings along with our reflections about where they may be coming from... so there is a difference between sharing our feelings and blaming our feelings on someone else. We play some role and have some responsibility for our own feelings. And at the same time, it's unrealistic to believe that our feelings are/should be impervious to others' behaviour. It's human to feel hurt when others mistreat us and we should be seeking out people who accept some responsibility for caring for our feelings, while we not losing sight of our own responsibility for our feelings. I think it is key with anxious attachment to accept yourself as you are for now and seek out a partner who is willing to do some things to support you with your feelings as you work to transform them. It is not unreasonable to look for a partner who is willing to provide a little extra reassurance, consistency and closeness. Everybody's needs are different in relationships and it is totally valid if you need a little more of those things than some others. You can honour your needs and feelings by resisting shame about them, and the antidote to shame can be speaking them aloud. If you've done your own reflection, work and self-nurturance around your needs and feelings first, it is more likely you can voice those in a strong and measured way that will not overwhelm a secure (or somewhat secure) partner or friend. I realize that the context you're talking about is different as it's a breakup, so you are needing to step up for yourself to care for your own needs and feelings in an extra strong way right now, while hopefully also getting some support from friends and community (definitely from your friends here on the boards). I agree with juniper that this is a time to look out for number one and remind yourself that you ARE number one to yourself: treasure yourself and respect yourself in the state you're in and with your feelings as they are, and remind yourself that you have your own back and can trust yourself to take care of yourself and not make harsh judgements about yourself. That is excellent practice for a future relationship where you can share yourself with another person with that much love and respect for yourself, which will definitely shine through and create a healthy foundation for communication. I think there's no right or wrong way to process a breakup so try to interrupt any harsh judgements about how you 'should' be relating with B (e.g you 'should' be willing and able to share space with him in this community) and remind yourself that interrupting such judgements about yourself is part of your process of building unconditional self-love. Keep up the greatly deserved self-honouring!
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Post by tnr9 on Sept 9, 2018 19:02:20 GMT
it's true, any time we are maneuvering to "take care" and "love" someone to ourown detriment, there is a hidden payoff, we are trying in an indirect way to prove or obtain something in order to try to fix something in ourselves we haven't been able to address directly. It isn't necessarily something dark and evil and bad about us, it's something broken in need of repair, something wounded in need of healing. it's us trying to orchestrate a happy ending , but not in a way that addresses the true happiness of US. It's fixing. It's avoiding. It's hiding. And it hurts! When we can uncover the script, we can change it. we can re-write it. As you can see, in @mary 's case, it's often a deep deeep pain over grief and loss, where caretaking is just an attempt to replace what cannot be replaced, to change what cannot be changed, and the answer is to just grieve and allow grief to be transformed to understanding, and compassion, for ourselves and others. I think this was a result of the divorce and an inability on my part to choose sides because it was an incredibly nasty divorce..and we (my brothers and I) were put in the middle of things often...but I think I've had this "caretaker" slant sine I as very young..probably even before the divorce...it was just exacerbated when the divorce happened.
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Post by leavethelighton on Sept 10, 2018 0:41:23 GMT
Tnr9 I think it can help to start with the small ways of honoring yourself. The examples would be different for every person, but an example might be you really want to be sitting outside at sunset instead of doing dishes but you feel like you should do the dishes, instead go outside and enjoy that sunset. Or you want to take a day off work but you feel guilty doing it-- schedule that day off work. Or even something little like you want another piece of cake at a party and there's only a few left, or even two left, or even one-- assuming everyone else has had cake, someone has to have the last piece! I mean these metaphorically, or literally. Make it your ambition to listen to yourself all throughout the day, to start hearing and validating that inner voice.
Then those little symbolic gestures can translate to the larger and more significant needs or desires of your inner voice when it comes to larger things like your relationships, lifestyle and career.
I think this may be a lifelong struggle for everyone, and perhaps even moreso for women than men. And it's not just our socialized sense of obligation to others, sometimes I think we're also sometimes avoiding that which might put us into places of greater emotional risk.
Also I don't mean to always have a you-first attitude-- it's important to care about and tend to others sometimes too, but not at the expense of ourselves in a harmful way or in the small ways that build up until we're living a life of deprivation.
On the church thing (if I remember correctly, is it a church group that B also attends?) give it awhile (a month or a few months???) until you have some clarity, because you have multiple competing desires here-- the desire to maintain your church community and also to work on getting over B-- but you don't have to stick with your original decision. At some point you could either return even though B is there and focus on the rest of the community, or tell him you realized you want or need that community and ask if he's willing to step away from it for awhile, or something of the sort-- you can find your way back to it eventually if it's what you want. You don't have to feel obligated to never go back on a previous decision.
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Post by happyidiot on Sept 10, 2018 0:57:00 GMT
You're doing so great tnr9 Have you thought about what the hidden reason(s) might be that you put the perceived needs of others, like B, before your own? I know for me one of the reasons is because I think if I do this the person will love me (because my parent made me feel that way as a child). Which is actually a mistake, people don't love it when you always put them first or when you try to anticipate their needs without having been told.
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