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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 5:17:50 GMT
hello, i'm curious how secures feel/think when they're thinking of getting in touch with their exes. i'm working towards secure, or at the very least, I think i'm untriggered. Some days I do have thoughts of contacting my ex again, but i feel relatively calm about it and i could see why i should not/don't want to. I think previously if I was AP-triggered, there's this deep deep pain and longing when i have these thoughts. so I'm curious, if and how secures are different from insecures when they have broken up but have thoughts of reaching out and contacting them e.g., physically, emotionally, mentally. alexandra, maybe you can speak to this!
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Post by faithopelove on Dec 18, 2018 6:14:44 GMT
hello, i'm curious how secures feel/think when they're thinking of getting in touch with their exes. i'm working towards secure, or at the very least, I think i'm untriggered. Some days I do have thoughts of contacting my ex again, but i feel relatively calm about it and i could see why i should not/don't want to. I think previously if I was AP-triggered, there's this deep deep pain and longing when i have these thoughts. so I'm curious, if and how secures are different from insecures when they have broken up but have thoughts of reaching out and contacting them e.g., physically, emotionally, mentally. alexandra, maybe you can speak to this! I think it may depend on your past relationship and the reason for your break? Is it reasonable to expect things to be different/longer lasting this time around? I think these types of questions would determine whether a secure would or wouldn’t pursue s past relationship. They recognize red flags and dead ends and are more willing and able to successfully move in another direction.
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Post by 8675309 on Dec 18, 2018 12:33:05 GMT
Ive never gone back to an ex nor wanted to. For me personally exes are exes for a reason and no going back.
Ive only been in touch with one because he is now terminally ill, my most recent ex. I am absolutely devastated for him... I heard about his illness from a friend who saw him at a treatment center because she was ill too. He said she could tell me. Took me weeks to reach out because I had to wrap my head around he was going to die and not much time left. What do you say to someone...?
Only person Ive wanted to 'go back to' is my avoidant, hes triggered me in way no one else has. Its not like I go back, he was never my boyfriend, it was me allowing him to come back around.
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Post by stayhappy on Dec 18, 2018 16:05:51 GMT
If I want to get in touch with someone I just do that. But efter 3-4 months with out any contact I have probably moved on so be ready for anything that your ex could say. I answer my exes when they get contact me but I don’t want to get back together.
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Post by epicgum on Dec 18, 2018 18:23:23 GMT
Not secure, but I've been thinking more about getting in contact with a few of my exes from way way back (6+ years). I read somewhere that these people understand you in a way that few other people do, so they might have insights about you that you couldn't get from other people.
Haven't done it yet.
The first I still have a lot of anger towards, the second I think might still have anger towards me. We shall see.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 18, 2018 20:17:58 GMT
It depends. You can be secure with a person even if you have an overall insecure attachment style, so it doesn't necessarily require you've fully healed and earned secure. If that's the case, you won't have undue fear of abandonment or engulfment when interacting with them (or thinking about them really) so engagement won't come with the associated baggage of those fears. But what that means is you can speak clearly to them, understand your motivations and what you want out of it, accept wherever they are and whatever they want without question, and not go off on triggered episodes after. So, what's the intent of getting in touch? If, like stayhappy (who is secure), you've accepted the breakup and given yourself time to get over it and still want to try to be friends, then get in touch if you feel like it. You won't feel much drama or stress around the decision to reach out, because it's like reaching out to any other person you care about. It's not full of subtext. One of the considerations epicgum shared is related to his overall FA healing process, and seeing if his exes will talk to him, if he can learn more about himself and his relationships, and (I'm reading into this as being implied), finding some closure with people who hurt him or were hurt by him now that he has more tools to understand what happened. If you want to check in because you have ulterior motives to get back together, and you broke up for attachment-related reasons, you may want to pause. If the insecure attachment was driven by you and you've become more secure overall and can give your secure or mostly secure partner the relationship they want and deserve now, and can handle potential rejection without emotionally spiraling out, okay. Giving that ONE try may be a reasonable thing to do. If you're healing your insecure attachment and they were also insecurely attached and ended it and you want to check in to see if they changed, you should probably skip it unless you're truly over it and ready for friendship. If they actually changed and it was insecure attachment keeping you apart, there's a good chance they'd come back and let you know. If you're looking for excuses not to let go, especially with fantasies of change, give yourself more time. Especially if you've got an insecure style, you may just be looping and trapped in your attachment wounds in your head. And if you have incompatibilities besides attachment, a secure person would accept that and not want to revisit the relationship. Which sends us back to the already healed, so do you want to try a no strings friendship, in which case you just won't get caught up in excess feelings about it and it won't feel like a huge deal. For what it's worth, I may be secure but I've pulled way back on communication with my most recent FA ex, because WE are NOT securely attached still, and that is mostly because he hasn't accepted and worked on his attachment issues, which affects even just a friendship. Sometimes everything is fine when we hang out, but the other half of the time he's still complete chaos and I don't deserve to be dragged through that kind of stress due to his issues. It's negative on my life at this point for reasons that have nothing to do with me, so my inclination is to back away, let him deal with his own stuff himself, and be around people who don't stress me out :/ Versus, going all AP, taking blame, and trying harder. In summary, I think the key here to looking at this securely is being straightforward with yourself (and subsequently the ex) about your intentions and holding good boundaries.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 22:13:06 GMT
i don't think we were securely attached to each other, and the breakup was a little abrupt. In any case, I'm not really sure if i want to be together with him anyways, but it was a special connection and I think I miss it and am abit sorry about how things went.
I guess I'm not sure what it is that I really want and that's why I'm not doing anything - I'm not sure if the incompatibilities were more than attachment (we're also LDR and other factors that play right into the attachment triggers for both of us). I'm not sure if this impulse of contact is just that - impulses, rather than a real desire. i'm waiting on it and seeing how i feel.
it's been a month since the breakup and it's been NC all the way; i've also deleted the app that I keep solely for keeping in touch with him. but i'm all good with that - doesn't tear me up inside like it would have used to when I'm triggered.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 18, 2018 22:37:35 GMT
i don't think we were securely attached to each other, and the breakup was a little abrupt. In any case, I'm not really sure if i want to be together with him anyways, but it was a special connection and I think I miss it and am abit sorry about how things went. I guess I'm not sure what it is that I really want and that's why I'm not doing anything - I'm not sure if the incompatibilities were more than attachment (we're also LDR and other factors that play right into the attachment triggers for both of us). I'm not sure if this impulse of contact is just that - impulses, rather than a real desire. i'm waiting on it and seeing how i feel. it's been a month since the breakup and it's been NC all the way; i've also deleted the app that I keep solely for keeping in touch with him. but i'm all good with that - doesn't tear me up inside like it would have used to when I'm triggered. Sounds like you've had some steps forward into growth, which is great. I got some advice a couple years ago to give it 3-4 months of no contact, coincidentally what stayhappy recommended, to clear out the hormone attachment and triggers etc., and get true perspective on how you feel. I actually think that can be longer for insecure styles, but either way, a month is actually not a lot. Give it some more time and then check back in with yourself if you miss him enough as a friend to reach out. There's nothing wrong with that either, if it's the real intention. I've been close friends for many, many years with a few exes... mostly guys who had insecure attachment styles too, but we had other incompatibilities and we have secure friendships. It took work to get over the relationships, but in each of these situations, the guys genuinely wanted to stay friends, followed through, and were patient when I still had romantic feelings after the breakups. Their consistency really helped transition us when I was still AP. It is a two-way street to make these things work.
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Post by lilos on Dec 20, 2018 22:36:45 GMT
I talked a bit about this in therapy today and our discussion came to an interesting point for me- which is once a person has stated they wanted to go no contact- is it ever ok to cross that boundary? Is there a way to do that in a healthy and respectful way or is it so solid that it should never be considered? is this in some way dependent on the scenario that lead to them making that decision in the first place?
I think at times about amends made in AA. Part of my journey has felt very much like a 12 step program for my own emotional and behavioral addictions although I am not in one. I wonder how they approach making that contact for an amends in the setting of what may have been very damaging behaviors to another person.
We talked about how if you do cross that line it should be done with full acknowledgement of your choice to do it accepting any risk that comes with it. I’m not sure that feels like enough to me. I’m starting to think that this might be something I am never able to do and I can accept that if need be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 22:55:44 GMT
I talked a bit about this in therapy today and our discussion came to an interesting point for me- which is once a person has stated they wanted to go no contact- is it ever ok to cross that boundary? Is there a way to do that in a healthy and respectful way or is it so solid that it should never be considered? is this in some way dependent on the scenario that lead to them making that decision in the first place? I think at times about amends made in AA. Part of my journey has felt very much like a 12 step program for my own emotional and behavioral addictions although I am not in one. I wonder how they approach making that contact for an amends in the setting of what may have been very damaging behaviors to another person. We talked about how if you do cross that line it should be done with full acknowledgement of your choice to do it accepting any risk that comes with it. I’m not sure that feels like enough to me. I’m starting to think that this might be something I am never able to do and I can accept that if need be. is this a theoretical discussion or situated in a context where your ex has stated NC? I think it also depends on their state of mind when they say NC. i've only said it once and very much out of anger and annoyance at my ex; if he contacted me now i wouldn't feel violated. On another note, there was this guy whom i had a real soul connection with for 3 days (I was travelling and passing by his city, and we met cos I was crashing on his couch). at the end of the trip, he wrote to me and said he doesn't want to see me for the next 10 years because it was and will be really difficult for him to keep this active. I think 8 years later, i was passing by his city again, and I wrote to him saying I'm dropping in, how's he doing. he actually wrote back and said the 10 year deadline is not up yet, and actually gave a specific countdown, and so he cannot see me. what? i was rather entertained by the whole event. in any case. I think if you just want to make apologies and thank him, you can do that without asking for/expecting a response. there's no engagement, interaction, response needed for that. write him a card and send that off through snail mail.
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Post by lilos on Dec 20, 2018 23:33:38 GMT
I talked a bit about this in therapy today and our discussion came to an interesting point for me- which is once a person has stated they wanted to go no contact- is it ever ok to cross that boundary? Is there a way to do that in a healthy and respectful way or is it so solid that it should never be considered? is this in some way dependent on the scenario that lead to them making that decision in the first place? I think at times about amends made in AA. Part of my journey has felt very much like a 12 step program for my own emotional and behavioral addictions although I am not in one. I wonder how they approach making that contact for an amends in the setting of what may have been very damaging behaviors to another person. We talked about how if you do cross that line it should be done with full acknowledgement of your choice to do it accepting any risk that comes with it. I’m not sure that feels like enough to me. I’m starting to think that this might be something I am never able to do and I can accept that if need be. is this a theoretical discussion or situated in a context where your ex has stated NC? I think it also depends on their state of mind when they say NC. i've only said it once and very much out of anger and annoyance at my ex; if he contacted me now i wouldn't feel violated. On another note, there was this guy whom i had a real soul connection with for 3 days (I was travelling and passing by his city, and we met cos I was crashing on his couch). at the end of the trip, he wrote to me and said he doesn't want to see me for the next 10 years because it was and will be really difficult for him to keep this active. I think 8 years later, i was passing by his city again, and I wrote to him saying I'm dropping in, how's he doing. he actually wrote back and said the 10 year deadline is not up yet, and actually gave a specific countdown, and so he cannot see me. what? i was rather entertained by the whole event. in any case. I think if you just want to make apologies and thank him, you can do that without asking for/expecting a response. there's no engagement, interaction, response needed for that. write him a card and send that off through snail mail. [ I was very wrong in how I was treating my ex at the time- I was deep in victim mode, shame, and dealing with a lot of resentment and confusing feelings. I was asking him to save me from them although from the spot I was in I couldn’t see it. I was doing th AP thing pretty hard. I think his statement for no contact came from annoyance or anger. We actually continued some contact after that ended with me lashing out and then recanting- more AP. I tried to acknowledge it but it was still a lot of me asking for rescue from my guilt and regrets. It was not clean. I knew so little of how unhealthy I was- I knew nothing about boundaries or accountability but I was trying. It was just my first and incredibly horrible attempt. I failed pretty bad. His response was basically he didn’t want to continue to revisit the past. He wished me luck. I have considered snail mail but I feel like looking up his physical address is crossing a boundary for his privacy I am not willing to do. I would rather an email even if that seems less sincere. I do not require him to respond. I would like it- but I have very much accepted that the likelihood of that is next to zero- we are so many many years out from that relationship the fact that he engaged me at all from the beginning is pretty surprising to be honest!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 23:49:24 GMT
is this a theoretical discussion or situated in a context where your ex has stated NC? I think it also depends on their state of mind when they say NC. i've only said it once and very much out of anger and annoyance at my ex; if he contacted me now i wouldn't feel violated. On another note, there was this guy whom i had a real soul connection with for 3 days (I was travelling and passing by his city, and we met cos I was crashing on his couch). at the end of the trip, he wrote to me and said he doesn't want to see me for the next 10 years because it was and will be really difficult for him to keep this active. I think 8 years later, i was passing by his city again, and I wrote to him saying I'm dropping in, how's he doing. he actually wrote back and said the 10 year deadline is not up yet, and actually gave a specific countdown, and so he cannot see me. what? i was rather entertained by the whole event. in any case. I think if you just want to make apologies and thank him, you can do that without asking for/expecting a response. there's no engagement, interaction, response needed for that. write him a card and send that off through snail mail. [ I was very wrong in how I was treating my ex at the time- I was deep in victim mode, shame, and dealing with a lot of resentment and confusing feelings. I was asking him to save me from them although from the spot I was in I couldn’t see it. I was doing th AP thing pretty hard. I think his statement for no contact came from annoyance or anger. We actually continued some contact after that ended with me lashing out and then recanting- more AP. I tried to acknowledge it but it was still a lot of me asking for rescue from my guilt and regrets. It was not clean. I knew so little of how unhealthy I was- I knew nothing about boundaries or accountability but I was trying. It was just my first and incredibly horrible attempt. I failed pretty bad. His response was basically he didn’t want to continue to revisit the past. He wished me luck. I have considered snail mail but I feel like looking up his physical address is crossing a boundary for his privacy I am not willing to do. I would rather an email even if that seems less sincere. I do not require him to respond. I would like it- but I have very much accepted that the likelihood of that is next to zero- we are so many many years out from that relationship the fact that he engaged me at all from the beginning is pretty surprising to be honest!! yea.. i can totally understand; been there done that! it sounds like it's a relationship that was long time ago, and that there's nothing much there to be done or picked up on. you already learnt that lesson and that you're grateful for him because he gave you that lesson, and now you want to say thank you. just say it in the easiest way e.g., through email, and then let it go for good. you only have good things to say, so only say those good things. i don't know about you, but sometimes i feel like mulling over these decisions too much become a way of still keeping that vibration/energy of him/rship alive because we're not really letting it go. sort of like residual clinging onto the past because you haven't decided where to go forward yet. and when that becomes clingy within you, then it goes south.
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Post by lilos on Dec 21, 2018 13:37:22 GMT
@shiningstar that sounds pretty accurate to me.
I’ve mulled a lot because I didn’t feel it was right to come back after the way I had acted without real change. Real change came with addressing a lot of things far beyond him. He was just the surface- the place I projected a lot of deeper stuff. But there is almost certainly that part where I mull as a way to hold on, to keep the fantasy which relieves me of facing any real risk. But yeah- it also keeps me stuck. Either do something or let go. Thank you for pointing it out to me.
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Post by leavethelighton on Dec 22, 2018 0:49:31 GMT
I think Alexandra makes an important point that even if you aren't totally "earned secure" or such, it's possible to have a secure interaction or relationship/friendship with someone who you once couldn't.
I think a part of how to know if that would happen or not would be to be real about what it would be like if you were back in contact. For example in regards to social media (or extrapolate to in-person situations), if you were social media friends, would what they post make you feel old feelings, trigger insecurities, be things you'd take personality even if you didn't want to, etc. and if so would it be very briefly and then it'd be over or would that be true on a more deep or sustained or frequent level? Would you have the desire to check their social media often or to internally debate how often/when and would it be an ISSUE for you, or would it just be like other social media friends who did not take up a lot of your headspace?
In other words, it is possible to have a more secure interaction with an ex-- personally I don't think exes are all exes for a reason if once there was a genuine/meaningful connection-- but be as honest as you can be with yourself about what it would really be like.
I'm social media friends with almost all of my actual romantic exes-- and almost none of the people who've really triggered my AP side (years of longing and so on). In terms of the romantic exes, we're friendly, I am glad for the good in their life, and if they post something that gives me a pang of jealousy or something it lasts about 30 seconds. It's all cool.
I do have the experience of going almost 20 years of no contact with someone (I once thought we were soulmates and all that) and then meeting coincidentally in a random city, having a 3-hour breakfast with a great conversation, and realizing I could have a secure interaction with them. We're Facebook friends now and they don't post much, but I've had zero of the sort of behaviors I would have had in the past like checking their Facebook and obsessing over it-- none! Granted this is 20 years later, not 2 months, and often people on these forums are trying to figure out if it's possible 2 or 6 months later when it probably would not be.
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