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Post by abolish on Aug 27, 2017 6:59:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 11:22:29 GMT
Not exactly. I cry and talk it out, overthing and face my emotions. I do not compare an ex as a better alternative to my dating partner. Once I get over it, I get over it. I think this is common with all the secures. Process emotions and don't let them get in your way later. There can be a time when I think about my ex, actually lots of it, but never in a too positive way, especially if she hurt me. But never jealous, no. But there is this ex (really fearful avoidant) who broke up with me cause of... fear... whom I really liked. I understand her suffering and all though she did hurt me, I knew she liked me and that doesn't give me peace, but hurt. I do view her as positive cause she got traits I really like and haven't seen in many people before. I cried it out yesterday and it feels a lot better. Did that answer your question? No, I meant a situation in which your DA had the phantom ex, the one who got away, the only true love of theirs, the one they long for, the one they dream of, the idealised person and a relationship they had which was probably far from the reality but yet they've been using it as an excuse/shield for many years even though they have parted their ways a long time ago.... In situation like this would you be jealous? Would you feel "not as good", not "enough"? How would a secure person act? I'm not a jealous person (I'm not secure too), I'm fine with exes turned friends, I have absolutely no negative feelings towards this phantom ex, maybe I'd even like her, I also know it's just a part of their attachment but.... it makes me uneasy, inferior compared to her, I'd never be as important as her, she'll always be in his memories as the one. Do I have a right to feel jealous? Are those only my insecurities? Abolish - of course you have a right to feel whatever you're feeling - there's a real danger in relationships with these kind of people of stuffing down your emotions and pretending even to yourself that you don't feel that way. There are a million things (generally) that come with a DA partner that would trigger insecurity even in the most secure - infact I suspect the most secure would probably leave way before... Listen to your intuition - and as always this is about your partner, not a reflection of your own worth. Being in a relationship is putting you out there in a vulnerable position and it's not only fine to feel uneasy - it's important to listen to that feeling. I have certainly been guilty of being in denial about this in the past and it's led down a road that's been none too pretty. Of course it is important also to look objectively at your reaction and see if any of your past is at play here - and whether it is or not, find a way to process the feelings so they are acknowledged rather than hidden in the dark recesses of your mind. I suspect that someone who is secure wouldn't tolerate a relationship with a partner who made them feel "less than" - it's all very well knowing why the DA behaves as they do and having compassion etc - but this isn't an excuse to desert yourself and your needs which are just as important as theirs.
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Post by DearLover on Aug 27, 2017 17:44:19 GMT
Mine didn't express having a phantom ex. I was never jealous of his exes or any other woman. I felt like the only woman in the whole entire world and he made me feel really secure about our relationship from the beginning even though I knew from his relationship history that he was;t exactly the committing type....Then he called me by her name once...It was by mistake and he worked hard to ratify and reassure but the damage was already done. I clammed up, became fearful, insecure and preoccupied...worried about giving too much of me. Perhaps this triggered his avoidance key even more. I became jealous of her after that. I miss him so much, I am in incredible pain. Everyday is a battle to not contact. But I know that if it was meant to be we would be able to resolve anything.
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Post by tumbleweed on Nov 23, 2017 21:11:24 GMT
My partner's ex isn't phantom at all but someone he calls his best friend. When we first met, he went out for meals and drinks with her in the evening. I told him that I was uncomfortable with this and now he blames me for constraining him and for ruining his friendship with her. I compromised and said that i would accept him meeting her for lunch on a trial basis. If I phone him during the week in the evening, he attacks me for making him feel isolated as she was a close friend and he wants to meet up with her when he feels like it. This causes issues between us. He doesn't seem to take my feelings into account and accuses me of being over sensitive and anxious. Any tips as to how to deal with this?
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Post by osemka8 on Nov 23, 2017 21:27:08 GMT
Yes. Leave. You aren't getting your needs met and he certainly ism't even thinking about what you want and how his actions affect you. This is selfish. From the way you wrote, this doesn't seem to change in the future as he isn't capable of self-reflection. He isn't aware of his own actions, problems or anything in that matter. Do yourself a favour, girl, and leave him. It will hurt you in the long run.
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Post by stellar1969 on Nov 23, 2017 21:36:22 GMT
Yes. Leave. You aren't getting your needs met and he certainly ism't even thinking about what you want and how his actions affect you. This is selfish. From the way you wrote, this doesn't seem to change in the future as he isn't capable of self-reflection. He isn't aware of his own actions, problems or anything in that matter. Do yourself a favour, girl, and leave him. It will hurt you in the long run. With all due respect and knowing you are trying to protect others on this forum, I don't think telling people to leave a relationship is helpful. We all leave when we are ready and if we leave too soon or because someone else tells us we should, it won't be complete. People told me to leave in the Spring. I wasn't ready until last month.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 3:28:14 GMT
My partner's ex isn't phantom at all but someone he calls his best friend. When we first met, he went out for meals and drinks with her in the evening. I told him that I was uncomfortable with this and now he blames me for constraining him and for ruining his friendship with her. I compromised and said that i would accept him meeting her for lunch on a trial basis. If I phone him during the week in the evening, he attacks me for making him feel isolated as she was a close friend and he wants to meet up with her when he feels like it. This causes issues between us. He doesn't seem to take my feelings into account and accuses me of being over sensitive and anxious. Any tips as to how to deal with this? I don't see this as a DA issue at all. Lots of people are friends with an ex, sometimes very good or best friends. A person may be a better friend than a life partner. Unless he has given you signs that they are something other than friends, you may want to examine why you are threatened by this.
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Post by leavethelighton on Nov 25, 2017 1:23:44 GMT
I think this depends on why you don't want him to spend time with her. Is there something about their particular dynamic that is worrisome, or merely the fact he is good friends with a woman? A man should be able to have good woman friends without his girlfriend necessarily feeling insecure about it, IMO. However, if there is something in their particular dynamic that crosses the line then that could be a valid thing to be concerned about.
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Post by onastring on Nov 25, 2017 9:37:27 GMT
I have always been uneasy about my DAs friendship with her ex. I brought it up with her to hear that because of past issues in her family, her ex was family to her and thus important. I accepted this and tried to support the friendship but the uneasiness has stayed with me. The real issue for me I have recently realised, was that I didn’t trust my partner. There were reasons for this, but my point I think is that it wasn’t about the ex, but about my partner.
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Post by neosporin on Dec 14, 2017 0:43:03 GMT
Commenting about an FA here (who I think is a DA depending on the person, but he is FA with me)
Yes, quite a few phantom exes. One is a married woman who had an affair with him but won't leave her husband. He refers to her so fondly and calls her "the love of his life". Of course, I know now that if she actually left her husband he'd change his tone quickly. It's only because she's unavailable that he's able to think of her so lovingly.
Another, an ex of 7 years that he cheated on multiple times. He claims he loved her but blames her manic depression and dependent nature for the reason he walked away from her(he financially supported her and her business endeavors). Whenever we would inch closer, he'd randomly reopen that wound and say he's not ready, he's still hurt, blah blah blah.
A girl he saw on-and-off for sex for 2 years. When we met, he told me she was a booty call. When we got closer, he suddenly claimed she was a love interest. Then she was his girlfriend. Then, she dumped him and he called her his ex-fiance. THIS WAS ALL WITHIN A MONTH. He still pulls out the "ex-fiance" card sometimes. I doubt she even had a clue he really liked her!
I have a feeling I'm his next phantom ex only because I put my foot down and ended it on my terms. And I got to a point where I was very direct with him. No babying, no hand holding, no coddling, no protecting his feelings. I quite literally told him he would die alone if he didn't get help. For most of our interactions I was anxious-preoccupied but the way I grabbed my dignity and ended it on my terms I really think hurt him. But hey, tough love.
Honestly, I bet we've all been the phantom-ex at one point or another. Think of all the times they cried to you about someone else. They're crying to someone else about us.
I wonder if they really believe these phantom exes are *so great* or if they are aware they are just convenient distancing tactics?
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Post by cate on Dec 14, 2017 1:40:42 GMT
My ex had a phantom ex but he didn’t idealize her. He hated her. Called her evil. And yet when I met him - 3 years post break up - they were still in contact. They lived together and were engaged but with more probing it turned out she was highly dismissive.
Now my view of her is filtered through him so I don’t know if this is true but he said they were rarely physically intimate and slept apart. He said she belittled him and nothing about him was good enough for her. He supported her enitirely and he felt used. She ended up leaving him for another man.
I think it was the rejection but also that he made a commitment and I think for avoidants - they take that serious. I asked him if he was going to marry her given how bad the relationship sounded and he always said ‘I made a commitment’.
I think for avoidants - being with someone even more avoidant triggers that insecurity and makes them somewhat anxious. But maybe it’s also about how safe the relationship is. Knowing that you won’t ever really be close because of the other person means the relationship is ‘safe’.
I don’t know after ya who the phantom ex will be. I know I got closer to him than anyone except his family and best friend. He always said I had a good heart and even admitted to needing me. So it could be me but he still mentions the ex - now going on 6 years post split so who knows.
I once told him he gave her so much power and that she had ‘won’ because he’s scared of things due to her. She has the last impression on him. He couldn’t say anything to that. He once said moving in together was a big step and I said he loved with someone for 5 years. And he said ‘and look what happened’ so in many ways - I didn’t have much of a chance. The ghost was too strong
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Post by newview on Apr 5, 2018 9:20:06 GMT
Regarding the "phantom ex"
I have recently ended a relationship with a DA, but in the beginning we were great together. He (CB)was extremely successful, and we enjoyed each others company.
He did mention an ex girlfriend of 8 yrs that although she had ended their relationship 2 years prior, they had remained friends and did some travel and skiing together since their breakup, but that she hadn't even been in contact for over 8 months. Thus, I figured the issue was of no consequence. However, a few months later, this ex (DC) found out that CB was dating again and started calling.
I felt I entered this relationship with CB as a secure person, and was able to calmly warn CB that now that DC knew he "wasn't sitting on the shelf" where she had put him, that she would now begin a campaign of trying to get him back. Sure enough, this woman started calling all the time with requests to see just him, fix her car, go bike riding, etc. It became clear very quickly that their relationship was not a true friendship but a codependent mess. In short... she had been the more avoidant person in their relationship, had a public career, very successful, and this made CB feel good about himself if someone that "famous" cared about him. So although while together, she was dismissive and abusive towards him, he still idolized her. This may have been the catalyst to her withdrawing and spending more time away and ending the sexual part of their relationship. This came right at the time CB and I were at a point to move our relationship forward. I had already noticed some avoidant traits in CB, issues with intimacy, verbalizing feelings, shutting down when asked about his feelings, etc, this escalated when she arrived on the scene. Hewould not commit to progress, would claim work needed him more, ignored his adult children's requests for attention saying he didn't have time.... yet he was secretly finding all kinds of time for her. She would wax and wane with him. I started to recognize the signs that when we would have a very romantic vacation, it would be followed by his withdrawing after, picking little fights about what groceries I bought or saying something a touch mean about something I said. He was in almost daily contact with her, would leave work to go be with her, etc. He was obsessed with her, and it provided the distance he "needed" from our relationship progressing. It felt worse than being cheated on. We are no longer together, and I imagine that once DC realizes she "won", and he is "hers" again, she will begin to distance herself from him again, and then he will reach out to me (he's already asked that we remain friends). I will not reciprocate. I have learned a lot about avoidant behavior and my being susceptible to anxiousness when trust is betrayed and I will not venture down that road again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 12:31:25 GMT
My ex FA had a phantom ex - they too were long distance. I'm pretty sure she started out as a kind of booty call, or something sort of casual, but then she moved abroad for quite a while and they decided to stay in touch. Well, this is I believe how they became closer. Eventually she moved back, which wasn't AS long distance, but I think it was still long distance.
When I first met him, he said that he felt trapped in his last relationship (which never came up again, because we got close very fast so the phantom aspect ramped right up), and that he really wants a relationship with good communication, and pre-warned me that he's "not good at this". What he failed to mention is that he is terrible at communicating his wants, needs, concerns etc, and for the most part, avoids good communication.
His ex story was that they got close while she lived abroad through talking every day, then she moved back, then eventually she went travelling and he stayed in the UK to complete his studies. Seems like she could potentially have been DA if she chose that, but I don't actually know.
What gets me, is that he told me that sometimes they would argue for a whole WEEK until they get on the phone and wonder outloud what they're even angry about. A week. That isn't, in my estimation, a great relationship - and yet, he compared everything we did to her, and spoke about her all the time. I think 8 out of 10 conversations, her name came up in the end. It made me feel so insecure.
When we broke up the first time around, he told me he'd "still be around" and that it wasn't like he was "moving to australia" (a reference to what she did) - I was dumbfounded that he made that reference... and yet, I still went back to him.
I think we had a great connection at first... I just don't know what happened. I couldn't believe he didn't feel the same about me in the end. I'm not a narcissist, but I do love myself and respect myself, and think that I have so much to offer. We had a lot in common... and in the end, even that was a problem to him. You really cannot win.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 12:35:26 GMT
In hindsight, the thing that threw us into turmoil was me expecting to see him twice a week. He could not handle that at all. He began to nitpick more, and became more vacant when we were together, and then I (silly me) started to push for a commitment of sorts, which he wormed out of, then I dumped him, and told him it was because he spoke about his ex in idealised terms and that there was no progression and he then said, I don't love you. It was yuck. But I think I see where it started to go wrong - when real expectations came up for a relationship in the flesh rather than through the phone. I don't believe that he didn't feel anything for me, it doesn't reflect my reality of the relationship... but then he called me a "sexy little friend" once. Oh man. There was always a phantom issue in the way of progression/commitment. I have no idea, I get confused thinking about it all. He let me meet his friends and family, but introduced me as my name, never giving any context to anyone about who I was, but that it was sort of implied. One friend asked, "who is this then?" and he just said my name, and then clarified again, just my name. He could never define us as more. It makes me wonder how the heck that girl got into girlfriend zone in the first place - he's nearly 30 and has never had what he considers another real girlfriend
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Post by newview on Apr 5, 2018 15:44:06 GMT
My partner's ex isn't phantom at all but someone he calls his best friend. When we first met, he went out for meals and drinks with her in the evening. I told him that I was uncomfortable with this and now he blames me for constraining him and for ruining his friendship with her. I compromised and said that i would accept him meeting her for lunch on a trial basis. If I phone him during the week in the evening, he attacks me for making him feel isolated as she was a close friend and he wants to meet up with her when he feels like it. This causes issues between us. He doesn't seem to take my feelings into account and accuses me of being over sensitive and anxious. Any tips as to how to deal with this? I wrote a lengthier post about this.. I ended my relationship with a DA who did just this. His previous ex was always in our life. He would talk selfies when we were on vacation so he could send to her, call him to go to dinner, etc. Blame me about it. Now that I am out of this relationship, I see how manipulative and uncaring this person was. He only cared about his own feelings. And the ex was a pathetic creature herself. She didn't want him or a relationship with him, she was just as ill as he was and their codependent dance didn't need a 3rd person.
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