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Post by springhaze on May 27, 2017 0:17:22 GMT
hi there, I have joined this in hopes to talk to someone who might be able to relate. I am doing a ton of self work and feel like I have made some progress...
I have never experienced something like this before. He was an emotionally unavailable partner from the start but we had good chemistry and had fun and cared about each other deeply. I went through a lot of traumatic events last year including a cancer diagnosis and he really let me down through that, and he felt guilty he couldn't be there for me.
I think he lacks some human empathy and just cannot deal with things when they get heavy. anyways, we were together for 2 years, always with a bit of distance in between us. we both have abandonment issues and he has tons of past pain to work through.
He was hot and cold throughout the relationship which made me feel anxious often. when we spent time together he was affectionate and loving. but we had a lot of space. He was aloof. He is a workaholic. He is a people pleaser. He always needed to be doing something. And he was becoming obsessed with cannabis even more than ever our last few months together. I did a lot of obsessive thinking when I was with him. I put his needs before mine often and I can see now I want to work on my self esteem.
When I was dealing with multiple deaths, he disappeared. When I had my cancer surgery, he took good care of me. I even recovered at his place for a week. When I was dealing with the emotional aftermath of that, he pulled away. He even texted me in the midst of all of that: i'm sorry I can't be there for you right now. The push and pull was tough. I grew kind of obsessed with feeling validation from him. I guess I lived off of crumbs for a few years. I suppose I lost myself in it.
And then in late February, after I started to move things towards a change, feeling stuck and like we needed different things.....and he really pulled away and couldn't give me his time, was too busy with work, too stressed (always something)- he ended the relationship in a somewhat cold and confusing email. EMAIL!
and I responded with maybe 3 after that and didn't hear from him until a couple weeks later, apologizing for failing me and not being able to deal and saying this was one of the hardest things he has had to do and he has a lot of self work to do and can't while in a relationship. and that our relationship wasn't healthy for him. I know damn well that it wasn't healthy for me and he couldn't give me what I need and the maturity levels are very different.
We are both in our mid/late 30's, you would think after 2 years we could have had a conversation or something. it felt so hurtful. And he just sort of disappeared, it's like he died. I have been dealing with so many deaths this last year, this was the icing on the cake.
It is the strangest death. and the fact that we havent even had a conversation or really seen eachother in a few months is so bizarre. The no contact is for the best, Im sure. The only contact up until the last week was some on social media- he tends to like my photos on instagram which was a bit crazy making. i have gone off social media now just for a break in general while I try to focus on better health and healing.
I don't have much desire for him, its mostly an idealized version. maybe of what i wanted. I hate that he gave up like that and I am having the hardest time with the abandonment. I am finding the obsessive thinking is just taking over. What is making me mad also is that he probably isn't dealing with this kind of pain.
I read the book Attached and it hit the nail on the head. I can clearly see how our attachment styles collided. Every time he was around or showed me the slightest bit of attention, I ate it up. Our affection kept me wanting him. I desperately wanted to be the one to help him break down his walls. this has been the hardest and most confusing break up yet. It has deeply hurt me, confused the hell out of me and really hurt my self worth. I lost myself in our time togther and am working hard to heal and find myself again. I'm sure some of you can relate. Being with someone like this was so hard and so anxiety provoking. I see so much more now on the other side of it. It really helps for me to talk about it with others who understand. Thanks for reading.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 2:24:28 GMT
Hi springhaze, Welcome. I am a fairly new member myself, but have already found so much support and it has been so therapeutic posting on these boards. You are not alone. Many of us have experienced the same things you have, almost word for word. Some have been through it numerous times. It's clear that you are already starting to see through the fog and are healing. Keep being good to yourself. Go easy on yourself. Post on these boards. Allow yourself to feel all the emotions. Thanks so much for sharing your story. It reminds me that I am not alone either and it is so healing to hear about others who have similar experiences. Wishing you much comfort.
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Post by howpredictable on May 28, 2017 6:49:50 GMT
Hi Springhaze, I swear, for a moment there as I was reading your post, I thought to myself that I literally could have written every single word, except for the cancer diagnosis (for which you have my good wishes on recovery), and the cannabis use.
Because literally almost everything else is exactly what I experienced. My relationship was a little longer, yet the end was the same and the emotional fallout is pretty identical to what you describe.
So know that you are not alone.
These relationships are so hard to get over, because they are this unique blend of so many addictive elements, and in many of our cases they resonate on a deep psychological level that we're not even aware of.
Keep writing here, you will find lots of support, understanding and compassion. I'm sorry for what you are going through.
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Post by springhaze on May 28, 2017 15:36:12 GMT
thank you for the responses, it helps. it has been so crazy making, this whole experience. it's gotten away from actually being about my ex, who i do miss but i feel some relief to not have to deal with the anxiety he caused. its more about me, on a deeper level than i even realized. i have felt such an emptiness inside and struggled to figure out this whole riddle. how can someone i spent a few years with and showed a lot of love and care, just simple be cut off like that? that is not how i am. that is what has been the hardest for me. i know that he does care but he cannot handle the confrontation, he just numbs his pain. he is lost. i went through a period of time really feeling sorry for him. i am trying very hard to just focus on me. what are some other qualities you all have dealt with, with someone like this? the hot and cold, confusion. he kept me at an arm's length. he was sweet and caring unless he was consumed by work (which was often) it's been hard for me to let go of the affection. he said a lot of text book stuff. he made excuses, he uses the past as his excuse. so much, so many layers.....
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Post by howpredictable on May 28, 2017 21:37:58 GMT
Oh, Springhaze, I feel for you. And I feel exactly the same. But please look at this as an opportunity.
I am 8 weeks post-breakup (with NC). It took me maybe 1 week to get over my Ex... meaning the guy himself. (You know, old memories, the loss of the future I thought we had, blah, blah, blah). I don't want him back, I know the relationship was terribly unhealthy for me.
The remaining 7 weeks has been for me to try to deal with my own reactions that were triggered by this dysfunctional scenario. This comes from: Old childhood wounds, lack of validation, a feeling of not being heard and accepted, not being "paid back" or even acknowledged for the huge effort and patience I poured into the relationship, the feeling of abandonment. A whole. Bunch. of Things.
This newly-ended relationship is a one-time chance to really dig deep and figure out why you were attracted to this person, why you put up with his mistreatment, the confusion, the hot/cold, the lack of attention. Those answers will prepare you for healthier connections in the future.
These are very hard questions and sometimes excruciating to work through. At no other time in life would we sign up willingly to do this type of very hard work on ourselves, so start doing some reading or go for counselling and figure out what drew you in and what kept you there. It's a silver lining on a really crappy dark cloud.
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Post by avoided on Jul 7, 2017 21:54:05 GMT
Oh, Springhaze, I feel for you. And I feel exactly the same. But please look at this as an opportunity. I am 8 weeks post-breakup (with NC). It took me maybe 1 week to get over my Ex... meaning the guy himself. (You know, old memories, the loss of the future I thought we had, blah, blah, blah). I don't want him back, I know the relationship was terribly unhealthy for me. The remaining 7 weeks has been for me to try to deal with my own reactions that were triggered by this dysfunctional scenario. This comes from: Old childhood wounds, lack of validation, a feeling of not being heard and accepted, not being "paid back" or even acknowledged for the huge effort and patience I poured into the relationship, the feeling of abandonment. A whole. Bunch. of Things. This newly-ended relationship is a one-time chance to really dig deep and figure out why you were attracted to this person, why you put up with his mistreatment, the confusion, the hot/cold, the lack of attention. Those answers will prepare you for healthier connections in the future. These are very hard questions and sometimes excruciating to work through. At no other time in life would we sign up willingly to do this type of very hard work on ourselves, so start doing some reading or go for counselling and figure out what drew you in and what kept you there. It's a silver lining on a really crappy dark cloud. This is so similar to my experience. Getting over her wasn't that hard. But the sudden coldness and distance and utter disregard for me, combined with lack of any appreciation, is something I keep obsessing over. Even after understanding attachment styles, it's still hard to reconcile being treated that way.
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Post by springhaze on Jul 26, 2017 0:51:44 GMT
I agree, the coldness and the distance and the confusion for me having it end without a conversation (email/text) made everything so much harder. I mean, just the fact that he couldn't give me any of his time and was cowardly in the way it ended, is hurtful and hard to heal from. I have worked on some of the anger and I do think he did try his best, I suppose. or that he wasn't capable of much more than that. it is still disappointing. it is immature, in my book. and has helped me to feel differently about him. but i am a compassionate person and to have someone be so selfish is really hard. being abandoned is very hard. rejection isnt easy. the healing takes time and i have come a long way in 5 months but it hasnt been easy. so helpful to talk to others who understand. thanks for writing!
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Post by joanneg on Jul 26, 2017 1:29:49 GMT
my almost year relationship was ended by text as well...nothing else.. Im 3 months no contact ... Still getting over it Its very hard to understand... hard to still get my head around I dont know how you can do that ... even with researching attachment styles.. how can you suddenly go SO cold no word since ... nothing Time is the best healer... I know what i want in a future partner
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Post by pooched on Jul 26, 2017 8:39:57 GMT
known him for 4.5 years. had a conversation 3 weeks ago, which he wasn't quite engaged in, it seemed like a breakup but maybe it wasn't really. haven't heard from him since... until yesterday... to give me some of my stuff back. he's now acting out in FB with some inappropriate and out of character posts -- mutual friends find it quite funny and think it's his way of dealing with the loss. our last breakup was at the 1.5 year mark for about 8 months. he pulled me back and actually treated me well until a few months ago, then started ghosting me and becoming more unavailable.
I couldn't understand his behaviour until I discovered this site, now it all fits into place... the push and the pull... the Mr. Unavailable... and my anxiety (I used to be secure).
I'm dealing with what feels like withdrawal now, it's hurtful and I'm really sad and needy. I'm focusing on myself now.
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Post by mandy on Jul 26, 2017 10:15:20 GMT
That is so enlightening to read..Why is it that they can not just tell you why they can't keep up the relationship? It's probably because they are simply not in touch with their feelings and therefore can't communicate what stresses them out so much? My ex just simply vanished as well... We were only together for about 4 months but it was amazing - in my mind - however it wasn't that great in real life because he made me wait for sms for DAYS - which I did because I simply didn't want to appear needy (I am usually securely attached)...after I was away for 2 weeks and returned he simply disappeared.. Did not answer my txts... I then texted him, telling him that he didn't need to hide and I'm not angry I just like to talk to him. He then answered his phone and was unable to communicate what was going on in his mind..just that he somehow got used to "not being with me any longer" "and doing other things" and weird stuff like that... I just didn't know what to say... I managed something like: "Well, than I wouldn't know how this story will continue..." A week or so later a friend who knew both of us must have convinced him to talk to me face to face...unfortunately we ended up in his bedroom and all talk was secondary... In the course of 6 months this same thing happened another 2 times - one night stands basically - and even that is too much said as he has severly low self esteem paired with sexual anorexia which is very common in avoidant man. It was always initiated by him and I was always hoping for getting back together as I was still stupidly in love...
Anyways - I do still wonder - why do they just vanish so cowardly and appear so strong during the relationship...it just hurts so much
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Post by cricket on Jul 26, 2017 15:07:46 GMT
I am totally there w you all. Its been 2 months NC. He blocked me from everything! I feel like he hates me ans wishes I never existed. I did nothing to make him mad like this. Its was almost a year of back and forth and he seemed to be getting closer to me but moving at snails pace and still doing things like not texting for days. I am still crying about it. I cant believe he did this. I just want to move on but having a hard time.
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Post by avoided on Jul 26, 2017 18:03:26 GMT
That is so enlightening to read..Why is it that they can not just tell you why they can't keep up the relationship? It's probably because they are simply not in touch with their feelings and therefore can't communicate what stresses them out so much? My ex just simply vanished as well... We were only together for about 4 months but it was amazing - in my mind - however it wasn't that great in real life because he made me wait for sms for DAYS - which I did because I simply didn't want to appear needy (I am usually securely attached)...after I was away for 2 weeks and returned he simply disappeared.. Did not answer my txts... I then texted him, telling him that he didn't need to hide and I'm not angry I just like to talk to him. He then answered his phone and was unable to communicate what was going on in his mind..just that he somehow got used to "not being with me any longer" "and doing other things" and weird stuff like that... I just didn't know what to say... I managed something like: "Well, than I wouldn't know how this story will continue..." A week or so later a friend who knew both of us must have convinced him to talk to me face to face...unfortunately we ended up in his bedroom and all talk was secondary... In the course of 6 months this same thing happened another 2 times - one night stands basically - and even that is too much said as he has severly low self esteem paired with sexual anorexia which is very common in avoidant man. It was always initiated by him and I was always hoping for getting back together as I was still stupidly in love... Anyways - I do still wonder - why do they just vanish so cowardly and appear so strong during the relationship...it just hurts so much I think it's because they're cowards and have no emotional intelligence whatsoever.
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Post by satori on Jul 26, 2017 21:38:11 GMT
Hey Folks, This is my first post and wanted to share my sympathy to all of you who have gone through such a traumatic event where our DA has completely dismissed us and cut us out of their lives and discarded us like we were a piece of trash. I was involved with a woman for six and half years, whom I recently recognized as being a classic DA who is possibly a covert narc. I knew that there was something lacking in her but was never able to place my finger on her behavior. Hence, here I am. I experienced the same emotional roller coaster that each of you have described, the push and pull, the crazy making, the emotional neglect and deep pain that we suffered loving our DA's. The red flags became quite apparent within three months right after our short honeymoon. Yet, I chose to ignore them for all because I was 'in love' and kept thinking that it would change or get better over time. It didn't. I kept soldering on, numb to the reality that she was emotionally and verbally abusive to me. If I played by the rules, all was well because it was all about her. When she was happy and content she served her meager crumbs as a reward. I could not get enough of them. Yet, if I spoke up or made it about me and my needs, all hell broke lose and she would explode in anger and rage and tell me that she is "taking time out of this relationship so that I can think about my actions". I can't tell you how many times she has 'broken up' with me only for me to come back on my knees apologetically begging her to take me back. Control was everything to her. Silence and anger was her tools that she used to keep me and her inner circle in line. Walking on eggshells became comfortably numb. Despite all the emotional abuse, crazy making, the hurt, and the pain I took from her, I knew something was amiss took the opportunity to focus in on me and my needs. I ended up looking at the proverbial mirror to ask myself who I am and what this was all about. I reached out to friends, got into therapy, read a lot of self-help books, did a lot of journaling (sp), and managed to do a lot of emotional self discovery over the last six years. Here is what I have learned about myself... I was a real mess. There were a number of outstanding traumatic attachment injuries that originated from my childhood. I grew up in an alcoholic household where physical and emotional abuse was the norm. What I learned is that I equated abuse as love. Now that I have a much deeper appreciation of my past and I know that abuse does not equal love! I learned that the void within myself can only be filled by me and no one else. That was and still is to a certain degree a difficult reality to accept. Awareness is everything. I finally addressed my own codependency and traumatic childhood injuries, which was a very painful journey. It hurts like hell but I needed to do it. I became increasingly aware of who I am and become more in touch with myself. As a result, I became more independent and self assured. Over time I also became more comfortable within my own skin. I learned to be assertive and speak up. I learned to rely on myself vs. having to be dependent on another person, which is healthy. Does that mean I turned DA?!? Absolutely not! I have secure attachment style. Yet, being with my DA I was triggered in ways I could not understand. With each episode I took a hard look inn the mirror and tried to figure out what that was all about. I recognized that self love emanates from within not from somebody else and that it is OK to love yourself. That too is healthy. Subsequently, I have become more compassionate and learned to be more patient with myself and those around me. I also learned that this is a journey not a destination. I will continue with my emotional self discovery because it helped me finally discover who I am. Honestly, I feel that I am finally home. What ended my relationship was my DA's behavior and the recognition and acceptance on how abusive really she is. Last October, after a wonderful dinner she told me that I am like and old person who has dementia because I smoked pot in High School and that I think only like an old person (what ever that means) and not capable of much more. That finally woke me up to the reality how cruel she really is. I ended up experiencing several other episodes since then, each one pushing me away more and more. I ended my relationship with my DA day after Mother's Day. I stayed at her place for the evening and again she ignored me all night, not even looking at me when we went to sleep or woke up. The next day when we woke up I wished her happy Mother's Day, which she ignored. She told me to get up and go home because she had plans that day, without telling me about them or including me. She has done that a lot, get up, get out, I'll call you when I need you. That afternoon she called me up to tell her to come up her place to cook dinner. Call dog this time ignored her calls and text messages. The next morning she called me to berate me like an idiot only to tell me again that she is "taking time out of this relationship so that I can think about my actions". She did not want to hear what I wanted to say. The message was loud and clear! Your needs to not count. Again, she treated me like crap and with utter disrespect because I did not play by her rules. I asked her if she was sure about "taking time out of this relationship..." she proceeded to hang up on me. This time I was done. I never called her back since then or reached out to her. As expected she has not called me back either and do not expect a call since she is not capable of looking beyond herself. She truly lacks emotional maturity. It took me about a month to get over it. I knew it was not my fault. She killed the relationship, I just buried it. Since then I got rid of all her stuff in my place, removed all her pictures I saved and any other memorabilia from her. I explained to my children whom known her for over six years that we got into a fight, without going into great details and told them that no one has a right to treat another person like dirt. If they do, you walk away because you deserve better! My son told me that he is proud of me. Despite all the pain and suffering we experience with our DA's keep in mind that they are giving us an opportunity to work on yourselves. Every relationship gives us a gift. I'm glad I took the pain and suffering and turned those lemons she served me into lemonade. I am a better man as a result of what I have experienced and learned. She will never benefit from the growth that I have experience. I hope this helped. Please keep this in mind, believe in yourself and never lose sight of who YOU are! You deserve better! Cheers...
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Post by pooched on Jul 28, 2017 2:54:09 GMT
Sorry to hear satori, your ex really was really abusive to you. Life-long learning is a good thing!
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Post by joanneg on Aug 7, 2017 9:41:55 GMT
Really great post Satouri
THANK YOU
Yes I have learnt a lot from my DA ex
it hurts .. still .. a few months on..
but I know that hurt will fade in time and I will have learnt such a great lesson from it
Good luck to all who are struggling atm.. it is very hard
FOCUS ON YOU!!
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