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Post by alexandra on Apr 21, 2019 20:38:09 GMT
For anyone who turns anxious in relationships and breakups, whether AP or FA, I think this is a good article. I'd suggest ignoring the gendered part (it's for women about unavailable men, I think it's for anyone with an unavailable partner... it also discusses if both people are actually unavailable). But the advice is fair and actionable, and good to remember if you're missing someone who left. postmalesyndrome.com/emotionally-unavailable-men-breakup/
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Post by alexandra on Apr 21, 2019 20:40:17 GMT
"Profound change takes a lot more than switching up Instagram filters and updating your Snapchat story. It takes 3 things – WANTING to change, the ability to be vulnerable, and exerting the accountability to be able to view yourself and your actions in a negative light."
"Is he happy? How can he be happy?! I’m miserable.
Happy people don’t f*ck over other people. Plain and simple.
You can’t be a happy person and miss someone that consistently hurt and devalued you. Just like you can’t be a happy person and lie, cheat, devalue and hurt the person you’re supposedly committed to. Like always attracts like. Let people make their own bed. There’s no point in ever making someone else’s bed, especially when yours is a mess. Once yours is properly made, you won’t care so much about finding a bed to make. What once was an uncontrollable urge will now seem pointless to you because it IS."
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Post by unluckyinlove on Apr 26, 2019 23:08:14 GMT
Great article. Thanks for sharing. I know these were my #1 questions when my FA left. I needed that validation so badly!! In some ways, I still wish for it but I'm getting better. And I KNOW he misses me and values me. I can feel it. But I remain silent to him and living my life. He sees it....I know he does
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Post by alexandra on Feb 16, 2020 3:53:09 GMT
I'm bumping this article up, since a lot of (anxious) people have been asking questions like this again lately about their exes. Same feedback about it: ignore that it's gendered, it can apply to either gender. And I'd argue that it's not fair to say that emotionally unavailable people have no empathy (if they don't have a personality disorder), but they often have low empathy (because the unavailability is created from being trapped in their own heads) and can lose empathy when triggered.
postmalesyndrome.com/emotionally-unavailable-men-breakup/
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 17, 2020 14:00:52 GMT
This seems more geared to people coming out of narcissist relationships.....other then trying to be friends, B did none of those things ( and with the exception of the very first time when we saw each other...there was no sexual activity.). While I agree that he was unavailable to me, and perhaps to other girls in his past, I cannot say that he is the same now. I guess I just view B very differently then the men described in this article.
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Post by nyc718 on Feb 17, 2020 15:59:58 GMT
For anyone who turns anxious in relationships and breakups, whether AP or FA, I think this is a good article. I'd suggest ignoring the gendered part (it's for women about unavailable men, I think it's for anyone with an unavailable partner... it also discusses if both people are actually unavailable). But the advice is fair and actionable, and good to remember if you're missing someone who left. postmalesyndrome.com/emotionally-unavailable-men-breakup/I follow that page, Post Male Syndrome, and I've actually been to one of her events that she held here last fall. I love her content and I love that she's about women's empowerment (NO offense to the men here..) and that she's about personal accountability. She is coming back to town in May and I'm going to that event too. Some of the women from that first event and I have kept in touch and been out together to connect. There were also men at her event and it was great for them to share too.
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 18, 2020 2:21:01 GMT
I agree with the emotional unavailability aspect of this article, but this ex partner is also demonized - portrayed as a lying, cheating manipulative SOB, which is definitely not the case with every shut down avoidant who desires a relationship but feels incapable.
My DA just crawls under a rock and is defeated. He doesn’t victimize, try to befriend, move on w someone or brag of anything on social media- he wouldn’t be caught dead on social media. This article def sounds like it’s on the slant of an avoidant who also lacks integrity- which isn’t true of every suppressed and shut down avoidant.
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 18, 2020 2:24:02 GMT
"Profound change takes a lot more than switching up Instagram filters and updating your Snapchat story. It takes 3 things – WANTING to change, the ability to be vulnerable, and exerting the accountability to be able to view yourself and your actions in a negative light." "Is he happy? How can he be happy?! I’m miserable. Happy people don’t f*ck over other people. Plain and simple. You can’t be a happy person and miss someone that consistently hurt and devalued you. Just like you can’t be a happy person and lie, cheat, devalue and hurt the person you’re supposedly committed to. Like always attracts like. Let people make their own bed. There’s no point in ever making someone else’s bed, especially when yours is a mess. Once yours is properly made, you won’t care so much about finding a bed to make. What once was an uncontrollable urge will now seem pointless to you because it IS." alexandra - I do agree with this part that hurting people hurt people. And eventually when the person left behind is stronger and thinking more objectively, they won’t miss any of the pain the relationship brought w it.
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Post by alexandra on Feb 18, 2020 3:47:55 GMT
tnr9 faithopelove It's the actionable advice about the self and not being partner-focused, wondering what you can do to bring the partner out of emotional unavailability. It's not about whether or not the partner was demonized or did exactly one of the options included. It's about interrupting the tapes and letting go because: "You are much better off identifying your own patterns that got you here. Work toward moving on so that you can feel true happiness and reach indifference from the unavailability of an ex who didn’t deserve ONE chance from you, let alone multiple. Not having an emotional life of your own and looking to others to validate you is no way to live. You will continually attract the wrong types of guys and become unattractive to the good guys out there (yes, they are out there). The best thing you can do is realize that you are your own validator, hero, and relational savior."
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 18, 2020 5:40:54 GMT
tnr9 faithopelove It's the actionable advice about the self and not being partner-focused, wondering what you can do to bring the partner out of emotional unavailability. It's not about whether or not the partner was demonized or did exactly one of the options included. It's about interrupting the tapes and letting go because: "You are much better off identifying your own patterns that got you here. Work toward moving on so that you can feel true happiness and reach indifference from the unavailability of an ex who didn’t deserve ONE chance from you, let alone multiple. Not having an emotional life of your own and looking to others to validate you is no way to live. You will continually attract the wrong types of guys and become unattractive to the good guys out there (yes, they are out there). The best thing you can do is realize that you are your own validator, hero, and relational savior." alexandra - I agree that part of the message about seeking validation internally rather than externally is sound advice; however, that point is muddled and could’ve been communicated without making every avoidant be demonized as a liar, cheater and manipulator. It hurts the message bc every person out there- in spite of attachment, can act in that way and certainly not every avoidant does. Yes, avoidants are suppressed and emotionally unavailable- no need to add negatives to it. I certainly wouldn’t want to read an article that describes every AP as abusive. This author sounds bitter and biased.
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Post by serenity on Feb 18, 2020 7:36:08 GMT
I felt bad for the author:( She seemed still stuck in her grief about someone awful, and was demonizing a whole group of people because of it. You see it a lot on the web, and its understandable considering the pain and grief they have experienced. But its not the full picture, as we all know. A lot of her language presumed intent and malice and lack of concern, which is probably true if she was involved with a sociopath of some sort. But you can see she is stereotyping and using demonization to bolster her strength. There's something untruthful in that attitude, which can keep you stuck in anger and unhealed.
I agree with her advice about moving on... Its really good advice for anyone who blames themselves for other people's poor behavior especially. I guess rather than blame shifting, I feel its more healing to be accountable for your part, the part of you who loved and trusted someone who didn't meet your needs and wasn't trustworthy. Asking yourself questions like `why did I do that'? and `what next'? help a lot.
I don't agree that you need to be without emotional needs such as validation to be successful in love. Picking the right partner really helps.
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Post by nyc718 on Feb 21, 2020 20:57:30 GMT
I felt bad for the author:( She seemed still stuck in her grief about someone awful, and was demonizing a whole group of people because of it. You see it a lot on the web, and its understandable considering the pain and grief they have experienced. But its not the full picture, as we all know. A lot of her language presumed intent and malice and lack of concern, which is probably true if she was involved with a sociopath of some sort. But you can see she is stereotyping and using demonization to bolster her strength. There's something untruthful in that attitude, which can keep you stuck in anger and unhealed. I agree with her advice about moving on... Its really good advice for anyone who blames themselves for other people's poor behavior especially. I guess rather than blame shifting, I feel its more healing to be accountable for your part, the part of you who loved and trusted someone who didn't meet your needs and wasn't trustworthy. Asking yourself questions like `why did I do that'? and `what next'? help a lot. I don't agree that you need to be without emotional needs such as validation to be successful in love. Picking the right partner really helps. In the author's defense since I did meet her at her event that she held, she is a genuinely warm and caring person who does care greatly about people taking their power back from the relationships that caused them a lot of emotional damage. So though her pieces may come off as angry or otherwise bitter, I can assure you she is not. She recently got engaged, and I follow her on social media where she is open about the fact that though she has come a long way, she still struggles with her own emotional issues that she is so encouraging to others about. I don't think there is one single person in the world who has completely arrived and has no struggles, but that doesn't preclude them from being able to help others. I found her website before I knew anything about attachment issues, and her articles helped me tremendously. Though I NOW know that it's not merely that those FAs were just being flaky assholes, I didn't know it then, and her articles helped me to not blame myself, even though I knew anyway that it wasn't really about me, but it helped me not feel so alone in dealing with men who were so ridiculous in their mixed messages (no offense to any men; I'm just speaking to my own experiences, and in fact, there were straight men at her event). As with all things on the 'net, take what serves you and discard that which doesn't.
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Post by serenity on Feb 22, 2020 2:07:45 GMT
She sounds very nice, and I agree with what you and Alexandra are saying about how helpful her advice is for moving on without the load of self blame.
I guess I'm just mindful of not tarring all avoidants with the same brush as narcissists and sociopaths (though avoidants can have those traits). Just digging a tad further into her articles, she refers to `` my emotionally unavailable, narcissistic, and toxic ex '' quite often. I kind of expected that she was talking about Narcs, and I agree her advice is spot on in relation to them.
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Post by nyc718 on Feb 22, 2020 15:51:25 GMT
She sounds very nice, and I agree with what you and Alexandra are saying about how helpful her advice is for moving on without the load of self blame. I guess I'm just mindful of not tarring all avoidants with the same brush as narcissists and sociopaths (though avoidants can have those traits). Just digging a tad further into her articles, she refers to `` my emotionally unavailable, narcissistic, and toxic ex '' quite often. I kind of expected that she was talking about Narcs, and I agree her advice is spot on in relation to them. For sure. Even before I learned about avoidant attachment, I didn't think that ex I was dealing with was a Narc, though he shared some of the traits. But I knew he wasn't being intentionally malicious in that way. I am fortunate now that I think about it that I haven't actually been involved with a full out narc like someone else I know. She is absolutely reeling months later and is struggling terribly.
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