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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:57:47 GMT
Last time I heard my ex is now deeply hurt and upset especially now I've cut contact. He appears to be deeply hurt with my words I sent to him via text.
His even refusing to acknowledge my phone calls and even hung up on me when I tried to explain.
It deeply surprises me how the DA/FA can can reject you and be cold towards you especially when you are the one who got hurt.
The moment you cut them off contact after having enough. They have the cheek of being hurt and getting upset. Scared and not wanting to lose you.Then treat you like your the person in the wrong.
Why treat me like crap when we are friends and now scared and hurt when losing me?
This confuses me greatly.
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Post by lilyg on May 27, 2019 13:59:33 GMT
Attachment wounds make people have a completely different view on how feelings were hurt, if unaware. I'm not trying to deny that you are hurt by his behaviour at all, and I know it's very difficult not to take things personal. But sometimes dynamics are like that, we play different roles. Maybe he thinks he just protected himself from something he saw as an attack.
Breakups are very emotional and sometimes messy even for secure people. I know dueling on how things ended is very normal! Time and distance might help for both of you.
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Post by epicgum on May 29, 2019 2:13:01 GMT
For anxious attachment style, threats to the attachment bond can trigger them into desperately seeking connection. But for avoidantly attached people, threatening the attachment bond can cause them to withdraw.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 8:28:27 GMT
For anxious attachment style, threats to the attachment bond can trigger them into desperately seeking connection. But for avoidantly attached people, threatening the attachment bond can cause them to withdraw. How does one try to confront and amend things when the avoidantly attached people withdraws?
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Post by epicgum on May 29, 2019 12:52:44 GMT
For anxious attachment style, threats to the attachment bond can trigger them into desperately seeking connection. But for avoidantly attached people, threatening the attachment bond can cause them to withdraw. How does one try to confront and amend things when the avoidantly attached people withdraws? Well, it takes two, so there's nothing one person can do to control the outcome, (and I feel this is a little out of my wheelhouse) but... I'd say purely from my own experience what the avoidantly attached person most needs in this situation would be a sense of autonomy and also after some time a sense of gentle loving. Being criticized and recieving the anger and desperate inconsolable need of a triggered AP will tend to cause the avoidantly attached person to stonewall and withdraw out of self protection. ("I'm not good enough! I will never make you happy" "I need to be on my own" etc.)
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 13:23:43 GMT
How does one try to confront and amend things when the avoidantly attached people withdraws? Well, it takes two, so there's nothing one person can do to control the outcome, (and I feel this is a little out of my wheelhouse) but... I'd say purely from my own experience what the avoidantly attached person most needs in this situation would be a sense of autonomy and also after some time a sense of gentle loving. Being criticized and recieving the anger and desperate inconsolable need of a triggered AP will tend to cause the avoidantly attached person to stonewall and withdraw out of self protection. ("I'm not good enough! I will never make you happy" "I need to be on my own" etc.) Dismissives, *generally* do not have a negative view of self, but have a negative view of others. Before we go criticizing that, consider that a dismissive was neglected and was forced to turn to self for comfort. It would be a terrible strategy to turn to a self one couldn't believe in, and didn't like, and whom one thinks is worthless. That would be a hopeless strategy. It isn't that a dismissive cannot see shortcomings in themselves, but the "I'm not good enough" narrative doesn't resonate. Maybe something more like this : "I'm not willing to meet your expectations (which are likely seen as entitlement) -I'm not willing or able to be controlled and dominated and molded by you." or "I don't like your behavior!". A dismissive in a toxic relationship is every bit as unhappy as the AP, has feelings that get hurt, and withdraws because for whatever reason, it's not feeling good. The behavior described with cutting contact, then reaching out, and sending texts which, if i'm understanding correctly, are hurtful, is in pattern for this dynamic and the reason dismissive withdraws, ultimately. There is no benefit in an AP "confronting" and attempting to soothe while a dismissive is withdrawn, not in a toxic dynamic like this. Its not immediately reversible and the damage done to trust and respect might prove to be intolerable and just not worth it, depending on the individual.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 13:57:17 GMT
Well, it takes two, so there's nothing one person can do to control the outcome, (and I feel this is a little out of my wheelhouse) but... I'd say purely from my own experience what the avoidantly attached person most needs in this situation would be a sense of autonomy and also after some time a sense of gentle loving. Being criticized and recieving the anger and desperate inconsolable need of a triggered AP will tend to cause the avoidantly attached person to stonewall and withdraw out of self protection. ("I'm not good enough! I will never make you happy" "I need to be on my own" etc.) Dismissives, *generally* do not have a negative view of self, but have a negative view of others. Before we go criticizing that, consider that a dismissive was neglected and was forced to turn to self for comfort. It would be a terrible strategy to turn to a self one couldn't believe in, and didn't like, and whom one thinks is worthless. That would be a hopeless strategy. It isn't that a dismissive cannot see shortcomings in themselves, but the "I'm not good enough" narrative doesn't resonate. Maybe something more like this : "I'm not willing to meet your expectations (which are likely seen as entitlement) -I'm not willing or able to be controlled and dominated and molded by you." or "I don't like your behavior!". A dismissive in a toxic relationship is every bit as unhappy as the AP, has feelings that get hurt, and withdraws because for whatever reason, it's not feeling good. The behavior described with cutting contact, then reaching out, and sending texts which, if i'm understanding correctly, are hurtful, is in pattern for this dynamic and the reason dismissive withdraws, ultimately. There is no benefit in an AP "confronting" and attempting to soothe while a dismissive is withdrawn, not in a toxic dynamic like this. Its not immediately reversible and the damage done to trust and respect might prove to be intolerable and just not worth it, depending on the individual. Sherry - how does AP try to resolve and make amends when she's genuinely sorry?
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Post by lilyg on May 29, 2019 14:21:59 GMT
Oh, this resonates with me a lot in these weeks. I feel like now the trust in the attachment between my partner and I is broken. I am giving autonomy to him while I focus on myself while trying to be gentle to him, and I can see it helps. But yes I do see that the damage done cannot be easily reversed. It is about how we percieve a bond with our partner, not about strategies. What I feel is that when he's deactivated he forgets everything in which we've built our trust. But I'm sorry, 'confronting' (not lashing out to someone) someone when you feel mistreated I think it's necessary. We all have our boundaries. I try to state them in a kind but firm way and I know it's not something one wants to hear, but it must be done. Resentment otherwhise is a given. I do get that for a dismissive person this means that you want to change him/her and feel attacked. I have heard my partner say that to me before. I'll put an example here: he once got drunk and started to tell me that he liked that I wanted to have a lot of sex but that I was too affectionate and he sometimes felt smothered. But the way and moment in which he said that upset me. I carried him to his house but told him that I was really hurt and that I wanted to sleep alone that night, and he told me that I wanted to change him and make a point and got mad. I firmly told him that no, I was not, that I understood that he needed more physical space and could respect that, but that he hurted me in that moment and that he had to think on how he was acting. I stayed because I wanted him to feel like I was not punishing him for anything. The next day he apologised and we worked on it pretty easily. That's a healthy way to handle things. This is not the case now. I feel like easy conflicts like this have escalated a lot and common sense has been lost. I do not want to change a person, I'm just stating that an action they're making is hurting me ('We had decided to sleep together and I left everything in your house', 'I wanted to enjoy a concert and you wanted to go home', 'I am studying and you wanted to share something long with me'). And he has been trying to tell me that he needs more space. Of course I know my partner is as sad as I am now. He's unhappy. I'm unhappy. We love each other and we are sad. And we don't know how to fix it! Meybe we can't. I'm sorry this post is too focuses on me
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Post by lilyg on May 29, 2019 14:30:21 GMT
Dismissives, *generally* do not have a negative view of self, but have a negative view of others. Before we go criticizing that, consider that a dismissive was neglected and was forced to turn to self for comfort. It would be a terrible strategy to turn to a self one couldn't believe in, and didn't like, and whom one thinks is worthless. That would be a hopeless strategy. It isn't that a dismissive cannot see shortcomings in themselves, but the "I'm not good enough" narrative doesn't resonate. Maybe something more like this : "I'm not willing to meet your expectations (which are likely seen as entitlement) -I'm not willing or able to be controlled and dominated and molded by you." or "I don't like your behavior!". A dismissive in a toxic relationship is every bit as unhappy as the AP, has feelings that get hurt, and withdraws because for whatever reason, it's not feeling good. The behavior described with cutting contact, then reaching out, and sending texts which, if i'm understanding correctly, are hurtful, is in pattern for this dynamic and the reason dismissive withdraws, ultimately. There is no benefit in an AP "confronting" and attempting to soothe while a dismissive is withdrawn, not in a toxic dynamic like this. Its not immediately reversible and the damage done to trust and respect might prove to be intolerable and just not worth it, depending on the individual. Sherry - how does AP try to resolve and make amends when she's genuinely sorry?
I'm not sherry, but: As an AP triggered: do everything in your power for this person to forgive you. Explaining, calling, writing. Sadly, people forgive when THEY want. It lasts for the moment and then I feel terrible. When I feel secure: apologise for my things, listening to the other person, give a bit space and the I try to ease the tension.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:10:38 GMT
lilyg if you've been able to avoid resentment by confronting in the way you feel is appropriate, that's great but I wonder what your partner would say about that . As to how to make amends. True remorse entails a candid admission of the wrongs one has knowledge of in their behavior, without expectation of a particular response, and then active change of behavior demonstrated over time. My opinion.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:23:07 GMT
Sherry - how does AP try to resolve and make amends when she's genuinely sorry?
I'm not sherry, but: As an AP triggered: do everything in your power for this person to forgive you. Explaining, calling, writing. Sadly, people forgive when THEY want. It lasts for the moment and then I feel terrible. When I feel secure: apologise for my things, listening to the other person, give a bit space and the I try to ease the tension. I understand where your coming from. It's very similar to my ex's behaviour. He has dismissed all my contact over the past two weeks. I felt ignored and rejected. As soon as I saw him post vids on someones FB wall. I got so angry and hurt. My response was to cut contact because I felt so hurt. Maybe it was a way to remove myself from this toxic mess. But somehow I am being treated like I am the bad guy because I reacted. It's like you can hurt me and I must accept that. But when I hurt me, you want to punish me. I know two wrongs dont make a right. But in all relationships both must take responsibility for their actions and not just the other person.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:25:35 GMT
I'm not sherry, but: As an AP triggered: do everything in your power for this person to forgive you. Explaining, calling, writing. Sadly, people forgive when THEY want. It lasts for the moment and then I feel terrible. When I feel secure: apologise for my things, listening to the other person, give a bit space and the I try to ease the tension. I understand where your coming from. It's very similar to my ex's behaviour. He has dismissed all my contact over the past two weeks. I felt ignored and rejected. As soon as I saw him post vids on someones FB wall. I got so angry and hurt. My response was to cut contact because I felt so hurt. Maybe it was a way to remove myself from this toxic mess. But somehow I am being treated like I am the bad guy because I reacted. It's like you can hurt me and I must accept that. But when I hurt me, you want to punish me. I know two wrongs dont make a right. But in all relationships both must take responsibility for their actions and not just the other person. Mutual responsibility is common sense in my estimation. I have no advice as to how to proceed with your situation I was simply responding to the question you asked. Nothing more.
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Post by lilyg on May 29, 2019 15:37:47 GMT
lilyg if you've been able to avoid resentment by confronting in the way you feel is appropriate, that's great but I wonder what your partner would say about that . As to how to make amends. True remorse entails a candid admission of the wrongs one has knowledge of in their behavior, without expectation of a particular response, and then active change of behavior demonstrated over time. My opinion. Oh believe me, I know he feels resentment!
Sure, that's what I'm trying to do. I fully admit everything I do wrong. I am very aware of my traumas, why I do what I do and what is really bothering my boyfriend. I am trying to change it. I am in therapy and I'm here froma long time trying to understand myself and him to work on it. Sometimes I do stupid things that are bad and sometimes I do normal stuff that upsets him and I apologise for that too, as I know his feelings are true. Sometimes when I think he's being unfair, I tell him that he is.
It's ot that I apologise for an outcome, but I do expect him to make amends when I feel hurt by him if I think he's being unreasonable. What I find it hard is that I feel like he doesn't try to make amends. Well I guess he tries in his own way. When we try to talk he only focuses on what I did wrong and frankly. it's very hard for me to work on just my things. At least now that I'm being very clear about how I feel and that I'm exhausted he tells me he doesn't mean to treat me badly. For him it's very, very hard to talk about feelings so I don't even expect a full apology but I expect my worries to be taken into consideration instead of getting into another fight in who's right and who's wrong, just as much as I don't dismiss his worries.
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Post by lilyg on May 29, 2019 15:42:36 GMT
I think a healthy relationship does come from common sense! And it should be mutual.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:48:37 GMT
It seems like a lot of individuals come here talking about attachment theory when avoiding drunkenness might be the best first step but that's a topic for another thread . I'm noticing a pattern of alcohol overconsumption on both sides in these toxic relationships, but no one ever talks about abstinence.
I think common sense is lacking there but again it's just my opinion and I don't have all the information.
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