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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 20:02:55 GMT
I'm a socially chatty dismissive and identified with the role of merrymaker in a cold family. (Like the avoidant in this article. I've never seen a dismissive described as chatty but this makes perfect sense and fits my own history so well. I like when things click like this for me. I can go for days without wishing to engage but when I do, I'm fully engaged.) I'm sharing this because it's a good inside view of an avoidant in therapy. The avoidant in question does not fit all "typical" dismissive traits but her fundamental approach to relationship is dismissive for sure. I find this kind of reading helpful in that it's an actual person being described, with all her nuances and individual history. It all helps me understand myself better. www.researchgate.net/publication/277093564_I_have_feelings_too_-_The_Journey_from_Avoidant_to_Secure_Attachment
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Post by ocarina on Jun 12, 2019 15:31:51 GMT
I'm a socially chatty dismissive and identified with the role of merrymaker in a cold family. (Like the avoidant in this article. I've never seen a dismissive described as chatty but this makes perfect sense and fits my own history so well. I like when things click like this for me. I can go for days without wishing to engage but when I do, I'm fully engaged.) I'm sharing this because it's a good inside view of an avoidant in therapy. The avoidant in question does not fit all "typical" dismissive traits but her fundamental approach to relationship is dismissive for sure. I find this kind of reading helpful in that it's an actual person being described, with all her nuances and individual history. It all helps me understand myself better. www.researchgate.net/publication/277093564_I_have_feelings_too_-_The_Journey_from_Avoidant_to_Secure_AttachmentThis could have been me a few years back - being out of touch with emotions, sensations, needs and wants - some of it still applies now although to a much lesser degree.
Yesterday at work I found myself moved to tears talking with a colleague who has just been through a very difficult bereavement - that is so unlike the me of yesteryear it's almost uncanny. Having said that I still do and will over ride emotions and even basic needs and times - to my detriment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 16:00:25 GMT
I'm a socially chatty dismissive and identified with the role of merrymaker in a cold family. (Like the avoidant in this article. I've never seen a dismissive described as chatty but this makes perfect sense and fits my own history so well. I like when things click like this for me. I can go for days without wishing to engage but when I do, I'm fully engaged.) I'm sharing this because it's a good inside view of an avoidant in therapy. The avoidant in question does not fit all "typical" dismissive traits but her fundamental approach to relationship is dismissive for sure. I find this kind of reading helpful in that it's an actual person being described, with all her nuances and individual history. It all helps me understand myself better. www.researchgate.net/publication/277093564_I_have_feelings_too_-_The_Journey_from_Avoidant_to_Secure_AttachmentThis could have been me a few years back - being out of touch with emotions, sensations, needs and wants - some of it still applies now although to a much lesser degree.
Yesterday at work I found myself moved to tears talking with a colleague who has just been through a very difficult bereavement - that is so unlike the me of yesteryear it's almost uncanny. Having said that I still do and will over ride emotions and even basic needs and times - to my detriment.
Yes, this girl is quite a bit younger than me, and at the beginning of her journey. I was more like her when I was younger- I don't identify with any general anxiety or her history of violence as a child. What stood out to me though was her personality as described. It goes to show, that attachment descriptions are not so narrow. DA are described as having few words. This is true for me when triggered into deactivation but not generally, I am talkative and expressive when in my unteiggered state. I enjoy silence above all, it's true. But interpersonally I don't have a difficult time and my personality doesn't display avoidance. It's my inner workings that betray my wounds. Anyway, it's refreshing to see an avoidant portrayed in her reality- as a real person with a real history, not a canned "Mr. Asshole" depiction of a dismissive. We are real people, unique, and influenced by many factors in our genes and environment. One size does not fit all.
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Post by happyidiot on Jun 12, 2019 16:31:51 GMT
@sherry This case study was interesting to read. Reminds me a lot of one of my sisters. We didn't grow up together. At one point we were thinking maybe she was FA and just heavy on the DA side, since she once took a test that found her slightly in the FA territory and because of some comments from people on the boards, but now, after learning more about attachment theory and how not all DAs are the same, think she is probably just DA, just with some FA or anxious traits coming out once in a while (such as body insecurities or worrying someone is cheating on her).
I know a talkative, outgoing DA man. He doesn't seem to need a lot of time alone and has lots of friends. His family seems colder and more reserved than him. His hobbies take precedence over any romantic relationship (I use the term relationship in the lower case r sense, because as far as I know he hasn't spent time in long-term committed Relationships).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 22:37:44 GMT
happyidiot , your sister can totally have those concerns as.a DA. With the traits, there are hallmark obsessions if you will- but they are not exclusive to types in isolation. As a DA, or a secure, or an AP; or FA, a concern about infidelity can arise for a number of reasons. I have been cheated on in all relationships but one. I suspected it because of 1) her stuff in his vehicle 2) her blonde hair on his underwear in my bathroom. lol! But, it would have been totally reasonable for me to suspect it without those clues because he acted like a man who was cheating. It's also true that it's the last place my mind goes. What would make this an AP trait is if it occurred as an automatic insecure fear in conjunction with other AP stuff and without basis, just as an anxiety driven fear. Or if the suspicion was not in line with other evidence to the contrary. These traits are about the big picture, some of them. Some are really kind of black and white, like the core beliefs. The core motivations to or away from relationships. But there is a lot of gray area too. Body image, totally an area a DA can have concerns (and it's common). Self esteem encompasses a lot of things. Self reliance gives a positive boost to self image. Accomplishments do also. Career advancement, independence, and autonomy all are good for self esteem, or at least they have the potential to be. But one can feel cnfident about oneself in one area and not in another. I have positive body image. But if I became ill, and my body declined, it could change. Lots of gray area. Traits stack up to form a basic profile, but individual circumstances can influence the unexpected appearance of one here or there without indicating a different attachment type necessarily. Well, that's all my opinion as a lay person and a DA who knows a lot of DA men and women from the inside lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 22:57:00 GMT
Actually, a suspicion of infidelity could even be seen as a deactivation tactic, especially if it propels a person away from the partner instead of anxiously toward, or is used to build a case for backing away from the relationship or the emotional investment in it. I think the biggest differentiator is- does this trait or thought or belief drive me toward or away from relationship? That's what makes it anxious or dismissive or fearful or secure, IMHO.
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Post by glacier on Jun 15, 2019 10:34:31 GMT
I am glad to read the case study, thank you for posting, it describes a little of what I feel inside sometimes. Do you feel more relaxed and chatty with some people and then frozen and uncomfortable with others? I feel self-conscious in many social situations, when it felt fake. I have a problem to act diplomatically, I feel like I said the wrong things, etc. at moments and although I don't mean to be rude or anything the discomfort sends the wrong messages to other people. I'm not a "people person", but if the other person engages me in deeper, more interesting conversations about various subjects, I'm quite happy to explore. I live a lot in my own world, are you like that too?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:20:34 GMT
I am glad to read the case study, thank you for posting, it describes a little of what I feel inside sometimes. Do you feel more relaxed and chatty with some people and then frozen and uncomfortable with others? I feel self-conscious in many social situations, when it felt fake. I have a problem to act diplomatically, I feel like I said the wrong things, etc. at moments and although I don't mean to be rude or anything the discomfort sends the wrong messages to other people. I'm not a "people person", but if the other person engages me in deeper, more interesting conversations about various subjects, I'm quite happy to explore. I live a lot in my own world, are you like that too? I don't have social discomfort. I have always been in professions that involve heavy contact with the public. I used to feel a heavy sense of faux pas after interactions but that was so long ago, I don't know what was the cause of it but I think isolation probably was the foundation. Navigating between the internal and external world. I have had to work hard to develop friendships to overcome my dismissiveness. For years I was mostly a hermit, even in professions that demanded social skills. I was both. I was much more dismissive before, there are some things that are still alive in me but some that have grown foggy. I do live a lot in my own world and compartmentalize. I've got my social interactions blocked out and balanced with a great deal of solitude. I remain the same person between them but they are very different environments. Do you have intimate friendships? Just one or two is all I need to not feel lonely, like you mentioned in your dating thread. Having them put me more deeply in connection with my whole self, it's been very healing. Initially, dismissive independence is a way to cope with true isolation and no choice. Healthy independence comes about with learning and growing into interdependence, and not a forced choice to gut things out on our own. I've crossed the bridge with that and it's really much better!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:30:56 GMT
Actually, I do have social discomfort that involves overwhelmed with crowds or noise. That may be a separate issue. I have issues with needing physical space, and relate to the "same house, different room " thing. This has driven anxious partners nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:56:08 GMT
oh geez. i identify alot with the case study and what @sherry said. i came on the forum as a self-identified AP to make sense of what was happening to me because of my previous relationship, but i've increasingly identified in me avoidant tendencies outside of certain types of romantic relationships. particularly when i was young, i have been called cold and clinical. something switched in me when a counsellor told me i was emotionally retarded, and I tried to live in full contact with my emotions (like normal people seem to do) and it created a decade long of emotional and relational chaos with romantic partners that were traumatic and difficult. thanks @sherry for sharing this.
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