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Post by tnr9 on Aug 21, 2019 14:00:44 GMT
I know a lot of you will respond saying I should focus on myself...and I am doing...but today in struggling. My ex seems so happy and stable in his new relationship. Could it be that he's just found the person who resolves his fa tendencies? I'm doing all this work one me, staying away from relationships for a while, seeing a therapist...but he seems to be doing great, he seems stable and secure, is happy and making serious commitments which took us a long time...while I'm stuck. I wonder sometimes if AP tendencies create a need to “compare” from an external source and it only makes sense (unconsciously) if that person is someone who triggers us. I know exactly where you are at....when you find a desire to check or think about him/her...can you bring your mind back to yourself...as in....get out of your head and back into your body. Look into mindfulness....see if that resonates with you. Who he dates has no direct reflection on you....very hard to adopt this mindset but I find it critical in moving past the “what is he up to?” “ is she better then me?” “Could I have done things differently?” Thoughts.
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Post by hannah99 on Aug 21, 2019 16:26:43 GMT
Great advice as always @sherry
Thankfully, he has no idea how I feel. I don't contact him unless for financial issues.
Most days I am better and I'm doing all the work.
I just need to stop checking social media now I think.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 21, 2019 16:45:56 GMT
I wonder sometimes if AP tendencies create a need to “compare” from an external source and it only makes sense (unconsciously) if that person is someone who triggers us. I don't think it's the AP tendencies creating a need. Someone close, at some point in childhood, emphasized worth through comparison to others, and that stuck. Since the AP style lends itself to the perception that others are better than self and a lack of ability to emotionally self-regulate anyway, then this learned comparison behavior fits right in and further feeds it. "Validation" and "proof" for the, you're not good enough narrative. But, not a need, a learned behavior. I would suspect the person it was learned from put the AP child down to prop themselves up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 16:50:37 GMT
Great advice as always @sherry Thankfully, he has no idea how I feel. I don't contact him unless for financial issues. Most days I am better and I'm doing all the work. I just need to stop checking social media now I think. Yes, stop checking social media, it's such a farce anyway. Just take a break, and be proactive in your own success. Maybe do something really nice for yourself, and get together with friends or take care of something that you've been procrastinating on. Success builds upon itself, and positivity can develop a very good momentum. You will feel so much better when you take an active stand against what's weighing you down. I hope today is a great day for you. This will pass and you will be so much happier again.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 21, 2019 16:50:38 GMT
I wonder sometimes if AP tendencies create a need to “compare” from an external source and it only makes sense (unconsciously) if that person is someone who triggers us. I don't think it's the AP tendencies creating a need. Someone close, at some point in childhood, emphasized worth through comparison to others, and that stuck. Since the AP style lends itself to the perception that others are better than self and a lack of ability to emotionally self-regulate anyway, then this learned comparison behavior fits right in and further feeds it. "Validation" and "proof" for the, you're not good enough narrative. But, not a need, a learned behavior. I would suspect the person it was learned from put the AP child down to prop themselves up.wow...thatis really insightful @alexandia.....because I was the black sheep of the family. My brothers were always better than me, smarter than ,less emotional, less demanding...I remember a rather recent conversation with my mom where she said “wasn’t it a pity she could not devote more time to my brothers because she always had to deal with me”.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 21, 2019 17:00:36 GMT
I'm also agreeing with 8675309 and @sherry. I've never seen someone break dysfunctional relationship patterns because they found the right person. I've seen it happen because the person was doing hard work and learning and was in a better place for something healthy after that. That's why I post a couple of my ex's patterns in various comments here. Anecdotal evidence, but I have solid examples spanning 4-6 years of relationship observations where we're still in touch and they share the ins and outs of new relationships and I see clearly no inner changes even if the attachment pairing changes (slightly different dynamics just because they're dating someone more or less avoidant than previous partners, which changes it up). One has a long-term relationship, but he's not actually happy in it, largely due to his still present attachment insecurities. I've met her, she seems fine, and he acts like it's fine when they're together. He's gotten older and with life obligations so I think he'd choose to stay with her now even without those responsibilities as it's easier for him than winning over a new partner, but I wish for both their sakes that he didn't look at it like he's settled and given up freedom. It just seems like a sad way to live life, harder for him and making it harder for his partner than it has to be.
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Post by hola on Aug 21, 2019 18:22:16 GMT
Breakups are painful, but more so if you are anxiously preoccupied. While I understand that you are hurt, you are perpetuating the dysfunction that allowed you to co-create the toxic relationship you had with him. It is only because you are insecure that you long for anything concerning this man . He was unfaithful, and the relationship was unstable. You may look back and exaggerate or minimize the good or the bad,, but the fact remains that a substantial amount of time has passed and you have not been able to let go What you are doing here is providing credibility to what he may be saying about you- She can't move on. She still wants me. She is miserable and has her own issues to deal with but she is obsessed with me so she will just stay stuck. Rather than pose a question like this, and have everyone speculate about what is going on with him (pure speculation) , which in the end does absolutely nothing to move you forward in your own mental and emotional health... wouldn't it be more beneficial to write and question about how to actually address the lingering preoccupation with him? Of course, you need to do what you find is helpful. I'm only suggesting that this might not be it. I had an ex that was awful to me, I left him. he ended up with a woman 20 years younger and everyone swore they would fizzle as soon as she found out how he is. He is actually the same- but her dysfunction meshes perfectly with his and they have been together over a decade. However; that's got nothing to do with my life. I moved on from him and got healthier, my relationships got healthier , my life is successful and I learned a lot of lessons from the terrible relationship I entered into with him due to my own unhealthy relating style. Many years later, I still grow. He's actually old and unhealthy and unattractive now, has considerable financial difficulty, and It doesn't matter. I've reaped the benefit of my dedication to growth in my own life, and my experience is that taking active responsibility for my own emotional health keeps me too busy to spin in circles about what someone else is or isn't doing. He was bad for you. Start over, clean break, focus on letting g go instead of speculating about him and his life. It's only keeping you down, the relief you may feel over thoughts of his failure won't help you one iota in the end- and the real truth is that you could find yourself repeating the pattern win someone new instead of fixing it. Most of us don't have just one failed relationship, it's a series. Limit that as much as you can. it sucks. I needed to hear this today Sherry, thank you
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Post by hannah99 on Aug 21, 2019 19:21:38 GMT
The hardest thing about being ap, I think, is that you have such low self worth that you don't have the energy or desire to look after you for you.
When I'm in a relationship I exercise, eat well, work my ass off, be social...when I'm single I don't care about myself enough to do any of that...but that's what I need to fix myself.
I am keeping busy, I do well in my job, I have lots of friends...but there's still more I can do.
I know I should stop going on social media but I don't seem to have the strength.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 19:50:00 GMT
The hardest thing about being ap, I think, is that you have such low self worth that you don't have the energy or desire to look after you for you. When I'm in a relationship I exercise, eat well, work my ass off, be social...when I'm single I don't care about myself enough to do any of that...but that's what I need to fix myself. I am keeping busy, I do well in my job, I have lots of friends...but there's still more I can do. I know I should stop going on social media but I don't seem to have the strength. I don't know if this is at all helpful- but if I heard you talking about another individual how you spoke about yourself just now, I would think you're a really awful and abusive person. I am sure you are not rude and abusive to others! But imagine, saying to someone: "When you're in a relationship , I care about you much more. When you're single, i don't care about you enough do do anything helpful for you. Your worth is so low to me, I simply can't be bothered with you unless you are attached to someone who of course boosts your value as a human. You aren't worth my time and effort. I don't like you, actually. " Maybe it would help you to stop saying such things about yourself. I get that low self esteem is a thing, but it's perpetuated by your language and the things you say just like your dysfunction around your ex is- you type out words in a question about him and then it's down the rabbit hole- I believe it works the same with such shitty self talk. Sometimes the beginning of change is a simple as changing a direction. You could give it a shot. At least be willing to like yourself and show it. Hell maybe just say that... "I'm willing to like myself and to show that willingness I am going to do something good for myself right now because I have had enough. of this hatred. I have had enough. " Just throwing that out there. You're a real jerk to yourself here and that can't possibly feel good. Don't make excuses about this, just clean it up, Is that harsh? I don't mean to be harsh. But with this attitude you will just create a living hell for yourself. Why do that? It's just as easy to do something good as it is to do something bad, the laws of physics apply without bias so just try better words and thoughts and actions if you want a better relationship with yourself and others. You'll never get there talking and behaving like this. I'm trying to be helpful so just let me know if that's not working here.
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Post by hannah99 on Aug 21, 2019 20:06:54 GMT
@sherry you're right. My therapist has said essentially the same thing.
I felt I was doing pretty well and the past two weeks have taken a real dip.
I've focused on keeping busy and nurturing my social life but I think it's time I worked on some self love...I'm just not clear on how to do that...
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Post by hola on Aug 21, 2019 20:22:29 GMT
The hardest thing about being ap, I think, is that you have such low self worth that you don't have the energy or desire to look after you for you. When I'm in a relationship I exercise, eat well, work my ass off, be social...when I'm single I don't care about myself enough to do any of that...but that's what I need to fix myself. I am keeping busy, I do well in my job, I have lots of friends...but there's still more I can do. I know I should stop going on social media but I don't seem to have the strength. And I'm the opposite. When I'm single, I exercise, train for marathons, eat clean (most of the time) and have my routine set, I feel good, have a social life w/good, stable, friends. But when I start seeing someone, I throw all my shit to the wind in order to be in tune with him. I'm a yes girl and go with the flow of whatever is going on with Him. It feels like a dam breaks and a flood of emotions are going down the river without direction, just tumbling around in the current, ugh. This is all internal of course. On the outside, I'm calm and kind of aloof, trying hard to have my shit together. It's exhausting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 20:48:12 GMT
@sherry you're right. My therapist has said essentially the same thing. I felt I was doing pretty well and the past two weeks have taken a real dip. I've focused on keeping busy and nurturing my social life but I think it's time I worked on some self love...I'm just not clear on how to do that... Self love is simple. Instead of caretaking and anticipating the needs of someone else you just do that to yourself, be a good listener etc. I have some ideas but want to hear yours first.
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Post by hannah99 on Aug 21, 2019 22:35:34 GMT
@sherry well I know I need to get on top of the basics, diet, water and exercise.
I'd also like to set up a healthy morning routine...a gratitude journal, good cup of coffee, reading. And a good bedtime routine, meditation, essential oils, baths, skin care, etc.
And I'm picking up an old hobby I 'haven't had time for.'
Is that the kind of thing?
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Post by kisstheviolets on Aug 21, 2019 22:44:21 GMT
Hannah I am absolutely in a similar situation. One thing I remember about an FA is that they probably go all in on someone who triggers their anxious. And well we know that’s not a happy place to live.
All my hugs❤️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:45:03 GMT
@sherry well I know I need to get on top of the basics, diet, water and exercise. I'd also like to set up a healthy morning routine...a gratitude journal, good cup of coffee, reading. And a good bedtime routine, meditation, essential oils, baths, skin care, etc. And I'm picking up an old hobby I 'haven't had time for.' Is that the kind of thing? Yes exactly. start with the basics of care, and since you're really trying to win this girl over, and show her she's special to you... maybe buy her a new article of comfortable clothing, a new hair cut. maybe a facial, manicure, pedicure, massage, or a nice meal with a friend at a new restaurant Any or all of the above will do, date yourself. You would be surprised at how valuable you feel when you value yourself enough to give yourself something beyond just what you need. Give yourself something you want. That way when a guy comes with nothing for you you'll know you can do better for yourself. It doesn't have to be expensive, or blow your budget- but prioritize something you like.
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