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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 13:49:21 GMT
I can tell you're very much engaged , like wrestling with this and with each of us. I understand it, you are in survival. This is an urge to repair but it's an illusion. When, any time that you felt this energy, did repair happen if you acted on it? You need to calm that threat response with something that targets it on the physiological level. Anne has posted much about this. Actually try to land your nervous system into a secure relaxed non threatened place. That is your JOB as an adult here. It is your responsibility actually, if you know about it, to take care of your own body first and get control of this anxiety. It does not include him. This is all about you. @inmourning - Repair never happens in this state. Yes, I’m off today so I’m going to have extra time to work on relaxing myself. It comes in waves. I can be good for a day and then an anxious moment strikes. Good, this would be the most loving thing. Also try to get with someone physically today who loves and cares about you and can be present. That would be my advice. You can self soothe and find healing connections to help you repair yourself from traumatic connections.
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Post by alexandra on Oct 14, 2019 16:04:33 GMT
I can tell you're very much engaged , like wrestling with this and with each of us. I understand it, you are in survival. This is an urge to repair but it's an illusion. When, any time that you felt this energy, did repair happen if you acted on it? You need to calm that threat response with something that targets it on the physiological level. Anne has posted much about this. Actually try to land your nervous system into a secure relaxed non threatened place. That is your JOB as an adult here. It is your responsibility actually, if you know about it, to take care of your own body first and get control of this anxiety. It does not include him. This is all about you. @inmourning - Repair never happens in this state. Yes, I’m off today so I’m going to have extra time to work on relaxing myself. It comes in waves. I can be good for a day and then an anxious moment strikes. You're looking to soothe your anxiety. Anxiety that is about your fear of abandonment, not truly about your ex. Going to his house unannounced, especially when he's already triggered as well, does not respect his needs, boundaries, or wishes, and will not result in repair. If anything, you're going to get even more upset with yourself afterwards, same as being upset with yourself for texting him and blaming yourself for pushing him away with your protest behavior. Except this will be even more extreme, and so worse, not resulting in repair -- nor resulting in the relationship you want with him which has created the protest behavior over the years. This isn't about him right now, which is why showing up at his door will in no way help you beyond momentary anxiety relief when you knock and hope things will be different. There's a lot more going on underneath your anxiety, being triggered from way back before you met him. One better way through this, as you attempt to self-soothe, is sitting back and feeling everything that's really there, so you can find yourself again and figure out what the core wound really is. Because it isn't actually about decreasing an already unfulfilling relationship even further, underneath it all.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 20:24:29 GMT
@inmourning - Repair never happens in this state. Yes, I’m off today so I’m going to have extra time to work on relaxing myself. It comes in waves. I can be good for a day and then an anxious moment strikes. You're looking to soothe your anxiety. Anxiety that is about your fear of abandonment, not truly about your ex. Going to his house unannounced, especially when he's already triggered as well, does not respect his needs, boundaries, or wishes, and will not result in repair. If anything, you're going to get even more upset with yourself afterwards, same as being upset with yourself for texting him and blaming yourself for pushing him away with your protest behavior. Except this will be even more extreme, and so worse, not resulting in repair -- nor resulting in the relationship you want with him which has created the protest behavior over the years. This isn't about him right now, which is why showing up at his door will in no way help you beyond momentary anxiety relief when you knock and hope things will be different. There's a lot more going on underneath your anxiety, being triggered from way back before you met him. One better way through this, as you attempt to self-soothe, is sitting back and feeling everything that's really there, so you can find yourself again and figure out what the core wound really is. Because it isn't actually about decreasing an already unfulfilling relationship even further, underneath it all. alexandra - Thx, I agree, any contact w him is a temporary band-aid. He’s like a lifeline to me. This relationship has 3 parts: him, me and the joint relationship. His issues and my issues are both affecting this relationship between us. My abandonment issues have affected every serious relationship I’ve ever been in. I think it’s best to completely pull back to NC, work on me and see no man in a serious relationship. A couple guys from online are interested in seeing me and I could probably be completely ok seeing them casually a couple times a month bc my attachment won’t be triggered at a casual level- and it would probably be good for me to get out and socialize when I don’t have my kids. As long as the guys don’t feel led on by anything serious from me, I think that would be ok? In the meantime, focus on my self-work bc my issues are as old as me and I’d really like to improve. Today- I did NOT show up at DA’s house. Not even tempted, I’m enjoying a nice day off with my kids and it feels good.
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Post by number9 on Oct 14, 2019 20:40:11 GMT
Phew! Good thing you didn't go! In the future, this won't hurt any more, and then you will be able to look back at this and feel proud of your strength.
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Post by iz42 on Oct 14, 2019 20:46:01 GMT
Glad you're feeling better now faithopelove. I know it's hard not to focus on what you said by text and how painful it feels for him to suddenly pull away and stonewall after that. But it seems like maybe you just reached your limit with the situation as it was, and no matter how you presented it and tried to negotiate, it wasn't going to work for you. Presenting it differently wouldn't have made him change his mind about moving things further. It's incredibly painful but in some sense, trying to "work things out" / repair, etc. would have prolonged the agony. For me, abandonment is hard because it feels like rejection. It's hard to let go when you feel rejected. You're also grieving the loss of the relationship, which is a big deal, and takes time. But if you can focus on what *you* want and deserve and the fact that he was not able to give that to you, that might be a good place to start.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 20:54:15 GMT
Phew! Good thing you didn't go! In the future, this won't hurt any more, and then you will be able to look back at this and feel proud of your strength. View Attachment number9 - Well, that’s a huge part of the problem with AP wounds. The silence is excruciatingly painful- not sure if you are AP, but that message of deafening silence and distancing is exactly what triggers abandonment wounds. So, simply letting go and moving on is overly simplistic. A good thought, but not even realistic to an AP who was attached. I appreciate the thought though and in focusing on my self-work and healing, of course my goal is to move forward. I’m def glad though I didn’t go....yes.
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Post by serenity on Oct 14, 2019 21:29:24 GMT
I'm grieving the end of a relationship too. The stonewalling and verbal abuse (used to create distance) were just too painful for me to live with.
As much as I did love my exes good side, its funny, if I were to draw up a list of qualities i desire in a man, it wouldn't include behaviours like `stonewalling for weeks' `routinely gives the silent treatment' `poor communication' `ignoring my need for reassurance' `ghosting if I need anything' `abuse' `personal attacks and criticizing things he used to say he loved ' `poor conflict resolution' `intermittent crumbs of attention' `lack of love'
I got caught in the trap of a guy who is addicted to honeymoon periods only, leads women on and makes them fall in love, then drip feeds them until he finds someone new to use as a honeymoon period drug. I got used. All i can do now is dust myself off and try harder to avoid such people in future.
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Post by number9 on Oct 14, 2019 23:08:58 GMT
Phew! Good thing you didn't go! In the future, this won't hurt any more, and then you will be able to look back at this and feel proud of your strength. number9 - Well, that’s a huge part of the problem with AP wounds. The silence is excruciatingly painful- not sure if you are AP, but that message of deafening silence and distancing is exactly what triggers abandonment wounds. So, simply letting go and moving on is overly simplistic. A good thought, but not even realistic to an AP who was attached. I appreciate the thought though and in focusing on my self-work and healing, of course my goal is to move forward. I’m def glad though I didn’t go....yes. I actually am AP/FA (triggered to AP because of a partner who is more FA than I am). I have done some great counselling in the past months and gained much valuable insight into my own attachment wounds. (One big help was EMDR.) I wouldn't say "*simply* letting go" -- since it is anything but a simple or easy process by any means! I've writhed and suffered at the pain of unanswered messages, wasted so many hours of precious life overthinking every single factor I can think of re: why no answer? What's going on with him? etc. etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. Eventually, I've come to use the "no answer actually is an answer" as a short-circuit of sorts, just to regain control of my poor racing brain! I probably shouldn't have thrown a silly meme up here. It may come across as quite glib. Bottom line is that I feel so much empathy for what you describe and I really wish for you to feel better. Your suffering is everyone's suffering -- our shared human experience. (Maybe I should go back to lurking! haha)
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 15, 2019 0:37:06 GMT
number9 - Well, that’s a huge part of the problem with AP wounds. The silence is excruciatingly painful- not sure if you are AP, but that message of deafening silence and distancing is exactly what triggers abandonment wounds. So, simply letting go and moving on is overly simplistic. A good thought, but not even realistic to an AP who was attached. I appreciate the thought though and in focusing on my self-work and healing, of course my goal is to move forward. I’m def glad though I didn’t go....yes. I actually am AP/FA (triggered to AP because of a partner who is more FA than I am). I have done some great counselling in the past months and gained much valuable insight into my own attachment wounds. (One big help was EMDR.) I wouldn't say "*simply* letting go" -- since it is anything but a simple or easy process by any means! I've writhed and suffered at the pain of unanswered messages, wasted so many hours of precious life overthinking every single factor I can think of re: why no answer? What's going on with him? etc. etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. Eventually, I've come to use the "no answer actually is an answer" as a short-circuit of sorts, just to regain control of my poor racing brain! I probably shouldn't have thrown a silly meme up here. It may come across as quite glib. Bottom line is that I feel so much empathy for what you describe and I really wish for you to feel better. Your suffering is everyone's suffering -- our shared human experience. (Maybe I should go back to lurking! haha) number9 - Don’t go back to lurking! I appreciate your insight and, I agree, no response is a response- it’s just my biggest hurdle. My DA puts up walls and stonewalls, so the no response is hard. I didn’t know if you were aware of AP attachment, but I’m glad you’re making good progress and you were able to walk away. I’ve been in 4 serious relationships in my whole life, I’m in my 40’s and divorced, and this guy really got to me. I had both the strong physical attraction and love for him which I hadn’t experienced before...I was willing to try and make it work. Next time I date- I will take things slow for several months so I don’t have to unravel from this again. This relationship did open my eyes to my attachment, which is a good thing, so that’s something. Thanks for your well wishes! Same to you!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 2:47:59 GMT
I kind of see it like this, if you don't have particular values and boundaries for an intimate relationship and allow raw attraction or attachment anxiety to lead your choices... it's like test driving a lemon, watching it smoke and sputter but finding it charming and believing if you just keep driving it, it will stop smoking, and develop a smoother engine, because you want it to. That's what these relationships look like from the outside, to me. We have all been there including me, in an avoidant way, hoping it will get better for me.
Sure- the car is a lemon. But hey.. what's up with the thinking in the test driver? You have to have standards, boundaries, values, and know what is ok and what isn't instead of just wishful thinking, denial, and feelings.
Some of this is really practical. No communication = no relationship. Inconsistency = inability to carry a relationship. Know the signs and reject the lemon before it leaves you stranded. You have got to choose someone and something that works.
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Post by iz42 on Oct 15, 2019 4:09:42 GMT
I think that's a helpful perspective inmourning. This is a sort of unrelated topic but I feel like as I get older and I'm aware that people in the dating pool are more likely to be insecurely attached, it's hard not to have a scarcity mindset about it. I think the fear of not finding a life partner is part of what led me into some bad relationships in my 30s. "Wishful thinking, denial, and feelings" describes my my most recent situation. I know I'm coming at it from an anxious perspective, but I don't how to be optimistic when it's clear that the number of secure men out there is steadily diminishing (according to Jeb's book at least). I agree that boundaries, standards, and values are crucial, but the process of dating and finding someone who meets those standards and values feels daunting. I'm not someone who always has to be in a relationship... I've had long stretches where I've been single and I've done fine on my own. But I guess what's hard to accept is that I may never find a long term partner. I'd like to get to a place where I'm okay with that because I would rather be alone than to lower my standards in any way whatsoever.
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 15, 2019 10:41:04 GMT
I think that's a helpful perspective inmourning. This is a sort of unrelated topic but I feel like as I get older and I'm aware that people in the dating pool are more likely to be insecurely attached, it's hard not to have a scarcity mindset about it. I think the fear of not finding a life partner is part of what led me into some bad relationships in my 30s. "Wishful thinking, denial, and feelings" describes my my most recent situation. I know I'm coming at it from an anxious perspective, but I don't how to be optimistic when it's clear that the number of secure men out there is steadily diminishing (according to Jeb's book at least). I agree that boundaries, standards, and values are crucial, but the process of dating and finding someone who meets those standards and values feels daunting. I'm not someone who always has to be in a relationship... I've had long stretches where I've been single and I've done fine on my own. But I guess what's hard to accept is that I may never find a long term partner. I'd like to get to a place where I'm okay with that because I would rather be alone than to lower my standards in any way whatsoever. I understand...I really, really do....which is why I am not dating at the moment....and going to therapy. Even in relationships, there are times that you will be alone....and I just have never really felt comfortable about that....it has always felt that being alone, choosing to be alone...is a sign of not being chosen rather then a choice towards self. I wish you well.
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