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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 11:19:09 GMT
The stonewalling after a text blow up has been 11 days. Sometimes I feel my anxiety is under control and I actually feel pretty good, other times I want to drive the 5 miles over to his house and ring his doorbell so we can have an adult face to face. I’m afraid he’ll slam the door on my face though and even worse, he could call the cops. Has anyone done this- shown up announced to a DA?
Even when we had plans he always said to text on my way over- he doesn’t like surprises. In our initial break up 2 years ago, before he was completely shut down, he started the break up conversation on the phone, and since I had to take my kids to the hair salon, he said we’d continue talking later- so I went to his house unannounced after the hair appointment. He wasn’t thrilled- closed the door on my face initially, then after I left a voicemail he came out and we talked.
I hate the stonewalling. It makes me feel sick most days and ending in an argument over texting is such a traumatic and childish way to end things.
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Post by hannah99 on Oct 14, 2019 11:45:11 GMT
Do not go to his house.
If it was the other way around and a man turned up announced at a woman's house we'd be quick to call it harrassment.
You obviously need to get away from this man. His stonewalling is perhaps a blessing in disguise.
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Post by mrob on Oct 14, 2019 11:57:34 GMT
I would consider that a gross violation of privacy and wouldn’t open the door either.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 12:07:54 GMT
Do not go to his house. If it was the other way around and a man turned up announced at a woman's house we'd be quick to call it harrassment. You obviously need to get away from this man. His stonewalling is perhaps a blessing in disguise. hannah - Actually if a man showed up at my house after treating him this way I don’t think I’d be all that surprised, certainly not harassment. And I’d have empathy for him...
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 12:19:23 GMT
I would consider that a gross violation of privacy and wouldn’t open the door either. mrob - He’d probably agree as would most avoidants, who by their nature, want to avoid. On the other hand, my friend and her boyfriend broke up last year and after a few days of the bf not receiving her texts/calls she showed up announced and they had an adult talk w no drama. However, they are two secures. She’s one of the most secure people I know and she was still anxious by his ignoring her. And since he’s secure he wasn’t triggered by her presence. It all depends on who you are dealing with...
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Post by hannah99 on Oct 14, 2019 12:26:54 GMT
Turning up at someone's house when they dont want to speak to you is harrassment.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 12:46:34 GMT
Turning up at someone's house when they dont want to speak to you is harrassment. hannah99 - It may feel that way to you but in the US that’s not the law. A salesman, friend, ex or acquaintance could at any time show up at your door and it’s not harassment until you’ve told them to leave and they refuse. On the phone you must warn them three times not to call again until it’s harassment. You’re throwing around some serious words for a person showing up at your house that you don’t feel like talking to...
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Post by anne12 on Oct 14, 2019 12:59:21 GMT
faithopeloveWhat do you think would be the most loving thing to do ? What about boundaries - your own and you ex's boundaries ? Are you crossing your own or your ex boyfriends boundaries by showing up ? What will happen to your own integrety, disgnity, self-worth ect ? Are there any alternatives you can choose instead of sho wing up at his doorstep?
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Post by hannah99 on Oct 14, 2019 13:06:34 GMT
It's not about the law. It's about respecting someone's privacy.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 13:12:43 GMT
It's not about the law. It's about respecting someone's privacy. hannah99 - That’s your opinion that it’s an intrusion then. Fine, but legal harassment it is not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 13:14:36 GMT
Laws are important to consider, as are the avoidant traits are an avoidant. Particularly if your ex avoidant is avoiding you to the point that you are researching laws around your anxious contact. In that case, it's prudent to step back, take no action, and talk to a therapist about your real issue, which is attachment to the point of obsession with a man who refuses contact. This is an excruciating dilemma for you, for sure... but that right there is the meat in this sandwich. Your pain is actually the most important thing here, because it's about to prompt you to do something that is not in your best interests or his, even if your AP thinking has you convinced or nearly so, that it might work.
One talk without drama, should you be able to accomplish that in this highly charged situation, (UNLIKELY) changes NoTHING about this deeply ingrained pattern between you two. You don't need this one fantasy talk that gets you two on the right footing. This is an illusion.
This scenario is playing out badly already. You cannot predict what could happen , just like you did predict that your angry texting would lead to this point now.
STOP chasing him and chase your sanity. I am not insulting you at all. I have compassion for your agony. You will make it worse if you don't stop this emotionally charged pursuit that always goes One Place... to your abandonment.
You are repeating your abandonment pattern. Look at that. see it, own it, change it. This always ends with you hurting worse than before. You are pursuing a man who harms you with his retreat and this will not change except for the worse. I say that because your behavior escalates , his behavior escalates, you two are disastrous for one another.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 13:28:14 GMT
Laws are important to consider, as are the avoidant traits are an avoidant. Particularly if your ex avoidant is avoiding you to the point that you are researching laws around your anxious contact. In that case, it's prudent to step back, take no action, and talk to a therapist about your real issue, which is attachment to the point of obsession with a man who refuses contact. This is an excruciating dilemma for you, for sure... but that right there is the meat in this sandwich. Your pain is actually the most important thing here, because it's about to prompt you to do something that is not in your best interests or his, even if your AP thinking has you convinced or nearly so, that it might work. One talk without drama, should you be able to accomplish that in this highly charged situation, (UNLIKELY) changes NoTHING about this deeply ingrained pattern between you two. You don't need this one fantasy talk that gets you two on the right footing. This is an illusion. This scenario is playing out badly already. You cannot predict what could happen , just like you did predict that your angry texting would lead to this point now. STOP chasing him and chase your sanity. I am not insulting you at all. I have compassion for your agony. You will make it worse if you don't stop this emotionally charged pursuit that always goes One Place... to your abandonment. You are repeating your abandonment pattern. Look at that. see it, own it, change it. This always ends with you hurting worse than before. You are pursuing a man who harms you with his retreat and this will not change except for the worse. I say that because your behavior escalates , his behavior escalates, you two are disastrous for one another. @inmourning - I’m not researching any laws I know the law from an ex who had an ex girlfriend who legally did harass me. I filed charges. Regarding my pursuit, yes the AP urge to repair is very strong. Being separated, especially in a tumultuous way is so unsettling that it tears me up. Yes, the more he rejects the worse I feel. Absolutely. I’ve been focusing on myself also and doing other things, but my thoughts return to him on auto-pilot, if not all day, then in my dreams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 13:33:28 GMT
I can tell you're very much engaged , like wrestling with this and with each of us. I understand it, you are in survival. This is an urge to repair but it's an illusion. When, any time that you felt this energy, did repair happen if you acted on it?
You need to calm that threat response with something that targets it on the physiological level. Anne has posted much about this. Actually try to land your nervous system into a secure relaxed non threatened place. That is your JOB as an adult here. It is your responsibility actually, if you know about it, to take care of your own body first and get control of this anxiety. It does not include him. This is all about you.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 13:40:03 GMT
faithopeloveWhat do you think would be the most loving thing to do ? What about boundaries - your own and you ex's boundaries ? Are you crossing your own or your ex boyfriends boundaries by showing up ? What will happen to your own integrety, disgnity, self-worth ect ? Are there any alternatives you can choose instead of sho wing up at his doorstep? anne12 - All good questions. He would likely feel intruded upon and emotionally threatened so it would be completely counterproductive as he’s not willing to communicate. No doubt I’d feel worse at a door being shut in my face, integrity and self-worth would plummet. Probably any alternative is less intrusive. I guess besides hurting- I feel powerless. His boundary would feel crossed and mine does as well by his stonewalling. The silence and active ignoring feels like boundary crossing to me- even though I know it’s him and how he copes. But if we’re both already feeling triggered then one of should stop the cycle.
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 14, 2019 13:44:59 GMT
I can tell you're very much engaged , like wrestling with this and with each of us. I understand it, you are in survival. This is an urge to repair but it's an illusion. When, any time that you felt this energy, did repair happen if you acted on it? You need to calm that threat response with something that targets it on the physiological level. Anne has posted much about this. Actually try to land your nervous system into a secure relaxed non threatened place. That is your JOB as an adult here. It is your responsibility actually, if you know about it, to take care of your own body first and get control of this anxiety. It does not include him. This is all about you. @inmourning - Repair never happens in this state. Yes, I’m off today so I’m going to have extra time to work on relaxing myself. It comes in waves. I can be good for a day and then an anxious moment strikes.
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