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Post by serenity on Nov 7, 2019 17:35:28 GMT
I loved these videos. The first one is about how to know when you are still experiencing a trauma bond (even if you no longer have contact with that person). One of the best points she makes is about how when your boundaries are compromised by a trauma bond, you can attract multiple traumatic people into your life at the same time, and in succession. She also talks about ways to get in touch with your original trauma and letting it go. www.youtube.com/watch?v=snzh5bAw3vYShe also does a really good video on how to deal with the silent treatment (from abusers and also emotionally immature people who cannot deal with conflict) www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDUJk7Y0SpE
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Post by kisstheviolets on Nov 16, 2019 23:39:13 GMT
I am afraid to think this.
Do you think an experience with an FA can create this bond? Is this a part of my grief loop that I need to consider?
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Post by alexandra on Nov 17, 2019 1:49:29 GMT
Do you think an experience with an FA can create this bond? Yes. Inconsistency plus intense emotions can do this.
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Post by iz42 on Nov 17, 2019 4:41:19 GMT
Do you think an experience with an FA can create this bond? Yes. Inconsistency plus intense emotions can do this. I've generally heard about trauma bonds in the context of abusive relationships - in the video link above she talks about the abuser and the victim. I didn't know inconsistency and intensity could create a trauma bond. Does anyone know where I can learn more about this?
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Post by iz42 on Nov 17, 2019 4:55:14 GMT
@janedoe yes. but "inconsistency" can mean a lot of different things.
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Post by alexandra on Nov 17, 2019 5:04:08 GMT
Yes. Inconsistency plus intense emotions can do this. I've generally heard about trauma bonds in the context of abusive relationships - in the video link above she talks about the abuser and the victim. I didn't know inconsistency and intensity could create a trauma bond. Does anyone know where I can learn more about this? I'm referring to inconsistency to mean intermittent reinforcement. So, the pattern of hot/cold, attention/neglect, leave/return that gets established in on and off / come-here-go-away relationships creates heightened feelings of anxiety and relief even if the "abuse" is of a lower magnitude. The intense emotions with high highs can lead to a trauma bond. Here's a link, though: blogs.psychcentral.com/recovering-narcissist/2019/03/narcissists-use-trauma-bonding-and-intermittent-reinforcement-to-get-you-addicted-to-them-why-abuse-survivors-stay/
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Post by serenity on Nov 17, 2019 20:30:37 GMT
Thats excellent Alexandra, thanks for the link! I believe that Trauma bonds can occur with FA and DA partners too. The pattern of intense loving honeymoon, followed by a sudden discard, then intermittent reinforcement is classic for inducing Pavlovian desperation and anxiety.
I've felt so chilled reading that this is also a standard sex trafficking technique used by romeo pimps to bend women into the sex trade. They use exactly the same technique!. It really made me see how serious it is to be involved in this dynamic.
Seeing this as trauma bond is helpful for me personally. It makes me realize how challenging it is to break the bond, and be prepared for all the denial and mental tricks my mind plays to keep me in it.
Its also good to acknowledge that it leaves me vulnerable to repeat the pattern with someone else who violates my boundaries. I'm trying to be very careful to spend time with good friends I trust ATM.
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Post by serenity on Nov 17, 2019 20:40:17 GMT
I've generally heard about trauma bonds in the context of abusive relationships - in the video link above she talks about the abuser and the victim. I didn't know inconsistency and intensity could create a trauma bond. Does anyone know where I can learn more about this? Is ghosting, stonewalling, and silent treatment emotional abuse? I haven't been able to find a consensus on that personally. But they are proven to be very harmful to relationships, and physiologically harmful to the person on the receiving end. It changes your brain and neurochemistry, by activating your sense of oestracisation. Its known to cause health issues, anxiety, and PTSD in recipients from what I've read. What I'm unsure of myself, is how much this is dampened when a partner refuses to allow themselves to become isolated? My instincts are that the trauma/abuse effect lessens in some kind of way when you are surrounded by loving people/family members. I imagine this is why malicious abusers include `isolation' as part part of their strategy to control and abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 7:30:05 GMT
Is ghosting, stonewalling, and silent treatment emotional abuse? I haven't been able to find a consensus on that personally. But they are proven to be very harmful to relationships, and physiologically harmful to the person on the receiving end. It changes your brain and neurochemistry, by activating your sense of oestracisation. Its known to cause health issues, anxiety, and PTSD in recipients from what I've read. What I'm unsure of myself, is how much this is dampened when a partner refuses to allow themselves to become isolated? My instincts are that the trauma/abuse effect lessens in some kind of way when you are surrounded by loving people/family members. I imagine this is why malicious abusers include `isolation' as part part of their strategy to control and abuse. it can be emotional abuse, and it IS abusive, even if it is coming from a place of unawareness/unintention. And it's definitely possible to have trauma bonds from DA/FA - i have. Alot of my "healing" came from understanding trauma bonds and intermittent reinforcement while reading narc literature, even though I do not think my exes were narcs, just insecure attachments. I think it is also possible from APs, but I don't have a clear understanding of how that process is. my ex who is DA said his ex wife was probably bipolar, and he felt very emotionally abused by her, so there's probably alot of trauma bonding there too. inconsistency is KEY to trauma bonding in my opinion, particularly when it's extreme highs/lows. When things are fantastic and they aren't consistently so, that's where the bonding comes because you keep on seeking that high that you once used to have. I think it's possible even when said partner didn't treat you well in the first place, and the relationship was so so, but inconsistently was good to you, it also creates a dynamic that hooks you in. I do think that when there's extreme highs/lows, the more extreme hormonal reactions create a stronger trauma bond than when the high/lows aren't that huge. Psychologically, definitely hooked when positive feedback is provided inconsistently and also randomly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 8:12:35 GMT
I've generally heard about trauma bonds in the context of abusive relationships - in the video link above she talks about the abuser and the victim. I didn't know inconsistency and intensity could create a trauma bond. Does anyone know where I can learn more about this? Is ghosting, stonewalling, and silent treatment emotional abuse? i think it can be abusive, but to be honest, i think it does only if you actually open up and are connected to the other person energetically. I remember the first time my DA stonewalled me for some reason that I didn't think it was a big deal, but it hit me like a ton of bricks. We were talking and i was joking around, and I said something that pissed him off and he stonedwalled me. Physically, it felt like my life energy that was connected to him (I know it might not make alot of sense) was cut off and it felt like I couldn't breathe and my life force was just cut off. I think I was overly connected/attached to him and our energies were so intertwined that when he pulled away, i didn't have enough to sustain myself. it was very very hurtful, traumatic and terrifying, and I was so scared that he would leave me. I don't think any of those feelings I was even consciously aware of, but I just remember being terrified and lost. and felt very very small. I couldn't be me. i understood implicitly there and then, the extent of punishment he could inflict on me whenever he wanted. I did not have enough of a presence of mind nor awareness to fully be aware of all the implications, but in hindsight, psychologically the trauma was first inflicted then.
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Post by serenity on Dec 6, 2019 21:07:29 GMT
The pain of stonewalling felt the worse when I was in love as well, shiningstar <3 With my ex, I experienced it once right after the honeymoon period, 5 months in? We'd had a stable consistent friendship before we committed to a realtionship as well, so the sudden stonewall had a major effect. He explained to me a week later that he was deactivating, it wasn't anything to do with me and he didn't want to split up. He asked me in a very vulnerable way to be patient with him, and he tried to make basic contact with me most days during that time, even when he was in that state. I didn't consider it abuse, because there was no established pattern yet, and didn't seem to be about control?
The second time he stonewalled came 15 months in, and I ended the relationship after 2 weeks of it. I don't have any tolerance for it, and by that point he knew how hurtful it was to me. I consider it abuse when the other person is aware of the effect, and is using stonewalling to control the outcome of a conflict, instead of negotiating. I felt that was what he was doing.(I admit I also felt the conflict in our relationship was unresolvable, even if we got passed the stonewalling)
I've come across people in the workplace who use silent treatments and stonewalling to ``communicate''. They were regarded as problem employees, and were chronically overlooked for promotion or asked to leave. It really has no place in an organisation that relies on good communication between people to function and succeed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 0:25:24 GMT
The pain of stonewalling felt the worse when I was in love as well, shiningstar <3 With my ex, I experienced it once right after the honeymoon period, 5 months in? We'd had a stable consistent friendship before we committed to a realtionship as well, so the sudden stonewall had a major effect. He explained to me a week later that he was deactivating, it wasn't anything to do with me and he didn't want to split up. He asked me in a very vulnerable way to be patient with him, and he tried to make basic contact with me most days during that time, even when he was in that state. I didn't consider it abuse, because there was no established pattern yet, and didn't seem to be about control? The second time he stonewalled came 15 months in, and I ended the relationship after 2 weeks of it. I don't have any tolerance for it, and by that point he knew how hurtful it was to me. I consider it abuse when the other person is aware of the effect, and is using stonewalling to control the outcome of a conflict, instead of negotiating. I felt that was what he was doing.(I admit I also felt the conflict in our relationship was unresolvable, even if we got passed the stonewalling) I've come across people in the workplace who use silent treatments and stonewalling to ``communicate''. They were regarded as problem employees, and were chronically overlooked for promotion or asked to leave. It really has no place in an organisation that relies on good communication between people to function and succeed. i think you're right that definitely IS abuse when used to control the outcome of a conflict - the issue is i think most times, people do use it to control without being aware or intentional about it. It's instinctive and "normal" when you don't have strong communication skills, and it often is very "normal" behavior. I put "normal" in quotes because i think these behaviors are very very commonplace and learnt very early on in life, and we normalize it. I didn't think it was abuse and i thought it was normal, but it didn't really matter what the process was because my psyche was very hurt as an outcome, regardless of the intention behind it. i don't blame him for it, but it was what propelled me to decide for MYSELF to be a better partner and not do it to other people, as much as i can. it is also what made me decide that it didn't matter what his attachment style was or what i could do to help change things; all that mattered was simply me taking care of myself and do my best not to hurt others by learning some healthy relationship habits. that also seriously reduced my rumination and preoccupation as APs do, and cleared my mental space for more productive/enjoyable things.
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