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Jul 31, 2017 4:11:11 GMT
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Post by rufflesgirl on Jul 31, 2017 4:11:11 GMT
Hi there
I have a question for any fearful avoidants that maybe on this board.
My ex and i broke up half a year ago. He's back and forth and can either be quite cold with me, or comes on strong. He is guarded when he is away from me, and when he's with me he allows me in for a little while.
What can I do to show him im safe? How do I be there for him while he continuously shuts me out?
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Post by mrscuba on Aug 1, 2017 15:05:36 GMT
Hi there I have a question for any fearful avoidants that maybe on this board. My ex and i broke up half a year ago. He's back and forth and can either be quite cold with me, or comes on strong. He is guarded when he is away from me, and when he's with me he allows me in for a little while. What can I do to show him im safe? How do I be there for him while he continuously shuts me out? Well I think it's safe to assume that this cycle will repeat if you pursue this with a romantic interest the avoidant feels they can't sustain. Also, That sort of depends on them as an individual but after knowing many avoidants in my life what I've learned is that Even if you want to be friends you need to make sure there is no exhaustive pressure to reciprocate closeness and emotion until they get therapy and work their feelings out. What it took me a long time to understand about my avoidant friends, family, and previous ex is that what you need to feel fulfilled and happy unfortunately has the opposite effect of draining them and making them feel claustrophobic. In my life experience the only people I've ever known to successfully tame a fearful avoidant or dismissive avoidant are secures that are leaning towards slight avoidance themselves but mainly and very much dominantly secure.... and even for them it would be a challenge every once in a while. It's not easy but that doesn't mean it's not worth it. If it's friendship you are seeking I suggest taking it slowly and establishing boundaries which will help the avoidant feel more comfortable... and yes they are capable of closeness, it just might not be to the level you'd expect. If your intent is to pursue a romantic relationship than I have to warn you that it's likely History will repeat itself. Hope this helps a little.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:57:02 GMT
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Post by rufflesgirl on Aug 1, 2017 20:57:02 GMT
Thanks Mrscuba
I do still love him. It sounds like your ex is much less of an avoider if she is open to messaging everyday.
My ex is not receptive at all right now. So there is unfortunately not much I can do. He is a bit of a workaholic. He pours himself into work and wants very desperately to be successful. I have no doubt he will be....but I worry it is a distancing strategy so he does not have to deal with what happened between us.
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Aug 2, 2017 12:09:06 GMT
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Post by mrscuba on Aug 2, 2017 12:09:06 GMT
Thanks Mrscuba I do still love him. It sounds like your ex is much less of an avoider if she is open to messaging everyday. My ex is not receptive at all right now. So there is unfortunately not much I can do. He is a bit of a workaholic. He pours himself into work and wants very desperately to be successful. I have no doubt he will be....but I worry it is a distancing strategy so he does not have to deal with what happened between us. That's exactly what it is. My ex is actually very avoidant and a workaholic... but at her age I was able to make it realize how much it caught up to her. She's very successful but always wants more and I've made her realize through much patience and determination that she's missed a huge window of opportunity in her life to have a family and have meaningful connections with people. The woman is in her 40's and handles her emotions like that of a teenager sometimes throwing a tantrum in their room...."I need my space right now I'm overwhelmed and need time!" When all you really said to them was "hey how are you?". The one thing i struggle with is how her phoney superficial facade is with people and friends she doesn't let get close to her. It can be frustrating how accommodating and tolerable she can be towards them but then I remember she was like that with me once upon a time when I first met her. At this point in her life she struggles with what she feels in her heart she wants and what she thinks she wants and is familiar with (typical coping) like her workaholic nature and obsession with her job. Any avoidant will distance themselves so as not to deal with the emotional stuff. I think of it as a social or emotional muscle they never exercised so when they have to use it they basically struggle or collapse. I think it's almost as if that emotional muscle I speak of has atrophied and they use coping mechanisms they become reliant on (which includes distancing and over focusing on careers) to navigate day to day. Clearly that's not a way a published author would refer to it as but that's just one way I've made connections to explain it all in my head. Maybe if you leave your ex alone for a while and leave it up to him it may change his perspective a little bit. Focus on you, avoidants are usually broken people and will always will be to an extent even if they get help. You have to accept that you'll never fully be appreciated or valued by one of them the way you want... and what I've learned is that most avoidants don't really know themselves once they start the hard work of getting help so as hard as it may be you have to learn to not hold it against them. It's not their fault so you have to develop a very tough skin.
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Aug 2, 2017 14:33:45 GMT
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Post by rufflesgirl on Aug 2, 2017 14:33:45 GMT
Yes I agree with everything you have said.
My ex pours himself into his work. The strange thing is, he is a self help fanatic. So people like Wayne Dyer, Louise Hayes,Tony Robbins, ect. He swears by these people (people who are open and lead open lives) and goes on countless personal growth courses. So from the outside he seems very open and willing to meet people and share his journey.
It was like that the first 6 months. And then he began to distance himself. Slowly. Instead of bringing up anything that bothered him, which, is natural when the honeymoon phase ends, he would retreat, as if he didn't want to rock the boat. He started to become very secretive about where he was and things he was doing. I never knew anything about his past (ex girlfriends and such)
I couldn't see all of that then, I loved him so much and just thought maybe I was being nosey. But the more I asked things, the more distant he became.
He now says that I don't respect his "no", and that he needs to put distance in between us. When really the last few months I have just been there to support him and help.
I think I do need to give him space. Alot of it. Because I'm feeling quite helpless....there is not much I can do. He has poured himself into work again. I know deep down he wants those intimate connections. But it seems when your in a partnership, they don't have the skill to work through something. If we had a fight, there was never any resolve. He wouldn't want to talk about it after. So it would just get piled ontop of everything else. Would that be a coping mechanism too?
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Post by joanneg on Aug 7, 2017 9:35:25 GMT
rufflesgirl
You are describing my ex and the reason we broke up
We NEVER resolved ANYTHING
Even the simplest of things.. so it all just piled up...we were fighting about fighting..
every conversation with some kind of emotion or "resolving" he completely backed away from
Im 3 + months post break up .. it is still so hard.. I miss him so much.. but in a way Im glad its over.. as I dont have to deal with the anxiety on a day to day basis and I believe this cycle would have been awful for a long long time in the future.. for someone to give up and leave with no explanation or discussion.. life throws really hard things at you and if you cant work it out now.. when these hard things come up what hope is there?
for me I could have a family with this person and I feel they would just leave
Theres someone out there I am more compatible with
The best thing you can do is give ALOT of space... and focus on you!!!
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