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Post by mrscuba on Aug 8, 2017 12:16:46 GMT
Hey everyone! I wanted to share that I have found Dr Stan Tatkin's work to be incredibly helpful and insightful to understand attachment theory at a deeper level. I love Jeb's book and it's absolutely amazing but I think for those looking to dive deeper into the human condition that drives attachment theory you should check out Dr Stan Tatkin. The guy is amazing, I've seen his lectures at UCLA and in my hometown of Boston. I think his work can help both avoidants and non-avoidants understand attachment even better. www.mishpaha.org.il/kvatzim/pdf/Tatkin-Addiction-to-Alone-Time.pdfwww.StanTatkin.comthepactinstitute.comTry and check out his TEDx talk that's featured on his web site. If anyone has any other helpful resources or books they'd like to recommend, please share because knowledge and information sharing on this subject matter can help us all get through hard times and find clarity.
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Post by howpredictable on Aug 8, 2017 14:49:27 GMT
Alan Robarge is an excellent psychotherapist who specializes in this area. He has posted tons of videos on YouTube, some of them an hour long, on the various aspects of the Attachment Trauma dynamic. Well worth checking out.
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Post by gaynxious on Aug 9, 2017 21:10:20 GMT
I've definitely come across the notion of the omnipresent partner and the timeless space experience as to how avoidant's are motivated to be the way they are. The 'in the same house but not the same room' need seems to be very common. As an anxious I was always wondering how to get my partner to want to spend more time with me and I often tried not being at home to get him to reach out but at times it was so taxing to find somewhere else to be just to make him miss me. Does this strategy ever really work or does it just make the avoidant more insecure and more likely to feel like they aren't getting what they need out of the relationship? It seems like if you are going to be with an avoidant you just have to make peace with the idea that you won't spend much time together.
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Post by cricket on Aug 15, 2017 18:08:39 GMT
I really like that guy too. Another vid I found helpful is this one. She goes over the cycle of toxic dating patterns. Her other videos are good too. Her name is Kristen Snowden. youtu.be/7pVWJj9Ajz0
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Post by lurker on Aug 17, 2017 0:05:30 GMT
Help me with this. I watched the above video of Kristen Snowden, and I'm confused. She talks about love avoidants, but she seems to be referring to something different to DA or FA attachment style. She's talking about people who need to be needed and get into relationships to be a source of "met need" in an AP, but who then become anxious when they later feel engulfed. That's very different to people who simply don't want to commit and who quickly run after a few months of dating. The people I've known, including an ex, who have avoidant attachment style show very little desire to be needed at all. They seem mostly interested in their own needs. I, on the other hand, was in a ten year relationship and towards the end I absolutely felt engulfed by my partner's AP traits, and it led to exactly the sort of crisis she describes and ultimately ended the relationship, but I am not someone who meets the other criteria for avoidant attachment as I understand them. I actually think of myself as largely secure, and yeah, I want very much to look after my partner while at the same time being looked after and having independence. But if someone is anxiously preoccupied and leans on me too much, you bet your ass I'm gonna feel engulfed, and it happened once with catastrophic consequences for the relationship. Does that make me a "love avoidant"? Is a love avoidant a name for someone with avoidant attachment style, or is she describing something else, as would seem to be the case.
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Post by gaynxious on Aug 17, 2017 17:37:45 GMT
Love avoidant is an undefined term that tries to approximate avoidant attachment for people that can't understand or don't like psychological terminology. As such its meaning is likely to change from person to person that discusses it. Generally, if they use the term love avoidant, they are either dumbing themselves down to appeal to a wider audience, or they don't really know what they are talking about.
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Post by cricket on Aug 17, 2017 18:51:53 GMT
Lurker- good point. I think it is geared more towards So styles using relationships to get their own needs met and confusing need/clingy w love. What she describes as love avoidant sounds a lot like a commitment phone. Love avoidant is a broad term so don't try to place urself in that category if it's not you. As AP it is good to hear what triggers the avoidant type. I've been clueless about it for so long. But yea neediness and clingyness and being manipulative w out feelings wud push anyone away.
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Post by leavethelighton on Sept 29, 2017 23:41:28 GMT
gaynixous, how can I find out more about " the notion of the omnipresent partner and the timeless space experience "?
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Post by gaynxious on Oct 2, 2017 23:36:06 GMT
gaynixous, how can I find out more about " the notion of the omnipresent partner and the timeless space experience "? Unfortunately everything I have read is merely from googling, I wish I had kept better track of the materials. A good deal of it was actual published research and some of it was from actual psychological websites but it's hard for me to remember which is which. I don't believe this language was used in 'Attached' but I do believe I have seen it in multiple places. I wish I could be more helpful.
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