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Post by throwaway1713 on Dec 5, 2019 4:05:10 GMT
Can I be frank? This isn’t just FA behaviour. This borders on harassment, and you being uncomfortable is enough for it to be that way. As an FA, I want people to respect my sovereignty and I respect theirs. This isn’t respecting your sovereignty as a human being. Repeatedly. I think you’ve copped enough and I’d be spending the couple of hundred dollars on a lawyer’s letter to get rid of him once and for all, and get your peace of mind back. I agree that his gig is beyond FA, and an unequivocal NO should be handed to him directly. I'm of the mind that the first step there should be a total ceasing of personal communication about feelings and private lives. That means, enlist friends to have boundaries- a good boundary from the friend would have been a hand up and saying "I will not discuss this with you, it's none of my concern and your association with throwaway is over. Good day." No entreaties for space, citing emotional reasons. It isn't necessary, because the fact is- he lives there now. He can come and go and see or be seen. That's the shitty reality. All that talking to him about it's impacts does is give him some drama to attach reactions to. I think most attorneys, prior to drafting a letter where no real laws have been broken, is... "Have you completely blocked him and asked your friends not to talk about him with you?" It's usually first a matter of personal choices and remedial actions that need to be addressed. The fact is, even though it makes you uncomfortable he is completely within his LEGAL rights to live there, ask his mom about you, talk to people about you. It may be considered harassment by proxy, to you- but in a legal sense it may not. It's just weak boundaries on both ends. You admit that you are still attached to him emotionally, that's understandable. By this I mean that you don't have full emotional closure and are impacted by things he says and does. But that also is not a legal issue. It's painful, but really just seems more emotionally messy than legally questionable. I have a belief that when you're done and decisive, and don't have cracks in your boundaries, people go away. Except in the most extreme situations, and in those there are generally clear violations of law which can be addressed. Your own emotional strings to this are what give it power. So yes, I do think that a hard no should be delivered in the form of tight personal boundaries with you and your circle of friends. But he will still live there- and it's totally up to you if you want to move and get a fresh start. You can't run from your problems (meaning if you can't make hard boundaries where you are then moving isn't your answer either, you will take your unfinished business with you). However, you can move off the same street as your toxic ex, and might really enjoy the freedom of doing so. Best of luck- he doesn't sound dangerous to me, he sounds rather pathetic and emotionally manipulative. I think the threat is the pain it triggers- and that's internal to you. It's not your fault. Emotions are powerful! But it certainly will be harder to heal without assertive action on your part, whether that's better boundaries, or better boundaries and a move to a neat new landscape. Whatever it takes, it's nice to have the freedom to choose! Thank you for your responses mrob and @inmourning. Yes it does seem more than just FA behaviour. He is so deep and I keep discovery new aspects to his personality and behaviour that I didn’t know were there, most of them not great ones. I don’t think he’s dangerous and I agree with the idea that he’s manipulative. I think manipulative to save himself as opposed to trying to make me do certain things. I feel like he’s in so much pain it causes crazy behaviour as he tries to mitigate it. Anyway, you’re completely right, I am still very emotionally affected by his actions and still emotionally attached to him, even though I’ve made all the ‘right’ moves to cut him off physically. His relationship with my friend is actually helping me move on more than anything else has so far. I think it’s helping me accept that he has really fucked things up so irreparably, and the fact that my real soulmate wouldn’t have done that. It’s the uncomfortable realisation that his actions mean he can’t be my soulmate. That’s so sad and it going to take me time to accept it fully. He absolutely *was* my soulmate for several years, so it’s a conflicting experience. My boundaries with him have been weak but are getting much stronger. For the first time since the break I no longer want to be with him, I don’t want to be with the person he is now. He’s far too dysfunctional and I’m so tired and emotionally drained by the aftermath of our break up. I have no energy left for him. I see myself having to move. I agree with you, I don’t have the right to make him move. He is free to live where he wants to. And I have control over myself and what I do. I’m not going to act at this moment, I want my emotions to settle down a bit before doing something drastic like moving. I’ve been in this house for many years now and I’m not going to leave hastily. I feel like I want to heal some of my issues related to him before I change anything external. My internal world needs some attention. Thank you for your kind responses, they’ve really helped me a lot.
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Post by lovebunny on Dec 5, 2019 16:11:27 GMT
I wonder if this kind of "haunting" is an FA thing, because I'm feeling like suddenly after 5 months of successfully avoiding my ex who dumped me, she's showing up at my favorite hang outs, all lovey-dovey with her new girlfriend (before me, she hadn't dated anyone for 5 years, and I NEVER saw her at these places.) She also "likes" a lot of my pics on social media. Like you said, singly, I might not think these things meant anything, but lately it's been in my face in a way that feels personal. Is it an ego boost for her to see me uncomfortable? Is it an attempt to triangulate/create distance with new girlfriend? It doesn't matter, I guess.
Like you, I wondered what I could do about it, and came up with: nothing. She's allowed to go to my favorite bar and PDA it up with the person she left me for. I can suck it up and try to ignore her, or find somewhere else to hang out. I don't follow her social media, but unless I block her, which feels dramatic, she's allowed to "like" my pics.
Years ago, I dated a narcissist who, after we broke up, refused to leave the pub trivia team I'd started with my neighbors and invited her to join. I ended up leaving the team, and not staying friends with my neighbors. I remember right after the breakup, she went to a dinner party at my next-door neighbors, and I could hear her laughing and talking over my fence (we live in very close quarters.) I blew up her phone all mad that she refused to give me any space. It got me nowhere, and just made me look unhinged. She was going to do what she was going to do, screw my feelings over it. There's no point asking these people to alter their behavior in any way, they just don't care that it's bothering us.
I would definitely consider moving in your case if it's feasible, though it isn't fair that you should have to deal with that. You have my empathy.
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Post by throwaway1713 on Dec 7, 2019 2:05:38 GMT
I wonder if this kind of "haunting" is an FA thing, because I'm feeling like suddenly after 5 months of successfully avoiding my ex who dumped me, she's showing up at my favorite hang outs, all lovey-dovey with her new girlfriend (before me, she hadn't dated anyone for 5 years, and I NEVER saw her at these places.) She also "likes" a lot of my pics on social media. Like you said, singly, I might not think these things meant anything, but lately it's been in my face in a way that feels personal. Is it an ego boost for her to see me uncomfortable? Is it an attempt to triangulate/create distance with new girlfriend? It doesn't matter, I guess. Like you, I wondered what I could do about it, and came up with: nothing. She's allowed to go to my favorite bar and PDA it up with the person she left me for. I can suck it up and try to ignore her, or find somewhere else to hang out. I don't follow her social media, but unless I block her, which feels dramatic, she's allowed to "like" my pics. Years ago, I dated a narcissist who, after we broke up, refused to leave the pub trivia team I'd started with my neighbors and invited her to join. I ended up leaving the team, and not staying friends with my neighbors. I remember right after the breakup, she went to a dinner party at my next-door neighbors, and I could hear her laughing and talking over my fence (we live in very close quarters.) I blew up her phone all mad that she refused to give me any space. It got me nowhere, and just made me look unhinged. She was going to do what she was going to do, screw my feelings over it. There's no point asking these people to alter their behavior in any way, they just don't care that it's bothering us. I would definitely consider moving in your case if it's feasible, though it isn't fair that you should have to deal with that. You have my empathy. Yes, there are definitely similarities between your experience and mine. The strangle intertwining of lives with an ex they purport to no longer want to be with. It’s so weird. For me as a secure it seems like sanity and clarity can only be achieved with a clean break. And then the possibility you can reconnect in a friendly way with an ex in the future exists as an option, because you healed from the emotional pain of the break up. The continued creation of more pain when the option to free us both is right there seems bizarre. But then I guess I don’t understand his experience. I don’t know what it’s like to feel afraid, engulfed and traumatised by intimacy. For me intimacy is safe, calm, wonderful. He experiences something else entirely. So his responses may make perfect sense to him. Perhaps our current situation feels safe for him? I must remember I have control of myself and of what I choose to do. I am free where perhaps he is not. This current situation is such emotional hard work for me, it’s painful and draining. But I’ve healed from the loss of a big love before and I know I can do it again.
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