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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 3:51:59 GMT
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Post by kittygirl on Dec 20, 2019 16:48:29 GMT
I found this EXTREMELY interesting! Particularly the part that "the fear of intimacy is directly proportional to the fear of abandonment", it's just that one of those fears is usually masked by another until someone comes along that triggers the other fear (really had me thinking about my FA ex and FA attachment in general-neither one of the fears seems to be masked. They both seem to be experienced all the time. Very interesting).
Thank you so much for posting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 21:17:10 GMT
I found this EXTREMELY interesting! Particularly the part that "the fear of intimacy is directly proportional to the fear of abandonment", it's just that one of those fears is usually masked by another until someone comes along that triggers the other fear (really had me thinking about my FA ex and FA attachment in general-neither one of the fears seems to be masked. They both seem to be experienced all the time. Very interesting). Thank you so much for posting. Yes it was interesting to me too, I started researching engulfment because I didn't really understand what that meant. I mean, I'm avoidant and know all about my one person psychology, that makes a lot of sense but I thought engulfment referred just to something like helicopter parenting, over attentiveness. I did not experience that- it was a serious underattentiveness. So I thought my wound was just neglect and paucity of contact. But I get the engulfment concept now and it aligns with what I experienced in terms of a psychological engulfment, of being overwritten and invalidated at points of vulnerable contact (a general statement to make it concise). It does a good job of explaining both sides of the spectrum I think- at least it made more sense of my history. I haven't spent too much time trying to figure out origins. I'm a person who would say my childhood was great, parents great, no issues too serious. That's odd now that I understand it all- I used to describe my childhood in positive terms and can see where I was doing the textbook DA thing there. I'm glad you found it a helpful resource also! I've experienced some fear of abandonment but it manifests as deactivation . Any perceived threat to my equilibrium = Go it alone. I still have to work with that. It's a long process. Crazy lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 21:28:14 GMT
I also found this extremely interesting... this line in one of the comments stood out to me: "a fear of engulfment that arose only when I finally started dating someone who really isn't going away (so the fear of abandonment subsided for me)... and a strong need to have some space. I love and want to be with the person I'm dating but get so scared sometimes of being crowded or losing control. The idea of building up tolerance to intimacy makes a ton of sense... just as you help someone get over a fear of heights by taking them out to the roof and showing them that nothing bad is happening, I'll help myself get over a fear of closeness by holding my loved one close for longer than is comfortable and showing myself that nothing bad is happening. I'm still me, I'm still ok, and he gives me space when I ask for space." I have to read the article again, I don't know if this is from someone who has predominant fear of abandonment? I don't relate to this particular expression of the fear of engulfment- basically I am able to be in proximity even if I don't prefer it as much as some- because I can still be in a bubble in proximity. I do prefer a ton of solitude and silent aloneness but I don't have alarm in proximity is what I'm trying to say. For me it's not about some thing bad or scary happening- it's more a matter of just being very contained with my internal self and not allowing it to be known. That's been the hard part for me- opening up to intimacy. Asking for support. Sharing vulnerable emotions. Trusting someone wants to understand and see me for who I am. I wonder if FA feel more fear in proximity, a kind of skittishness. I feel I have the ability to recede even in arms reach, still engage, but just not be known. Being known is the big risk for me- then I feel protective of my internal space and avoid risks and being impinged, restricted, directed, and controlled. I am curious how anxious who flip after some security is established, feel about it, there must be variations on the theme for everyone I suppose?
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