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Post by jaleesa on Aug 25, 2017 23:13:17 GMT
Hi all. I ran into my DA ex today and I don't know what to feel right now. Although he treated me like crap during our relationship of 5 years, I now know why so I try not to be angry about it, but I feel really confused. He cheated on me with his current girlfriend and he told me she's paying off his debts and that she's so sweet. They are together for 6 months now and since he looked genuinely happy, I feel like I wasn't worth it. I'm scared he has changed for her and that he is everything I wanted him to be. How realistic are these thoughts though? I don't know what to do with myself so I could really use some support.
Thank you guys.
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Post by Betty on Aug 25, 2017 23:59:36 GMT
Honestly Jalessa, I don't know you and I don't know him. But ANY man who is letting a woman pay off his debts and has only been with them for 6 months..... Well it doesn't say alot about him. Or about her.
These thoughts are so natural. Especially when being cheated on. To me, tjat does not sound like a healthy or even desirable relationship.
Patterns repeat my dear. And unless he's doing some hard healing and hard therapy (which it doesn't sound like) then this is just another bandaid for a bullet wound.
It is not your fault! And you deserved to be fully loved. I can guarantee if he wasn't fully in with you, he's not with her either.
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Post by Betty on Aug 26, 2017 0:01:23 GMT
Also...
I think maybe you need to look Into rebuilding tour self esteem. You seem like such a good hearted and genuine person.
Do things that feed your soul. I know it's not easy. I was a wreck for months. But your still you and you still have so much to give someone, starting with yourself Xoxo
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Post by jaleesa on Aug 26, 2017 0:21:48 GMT
Thank you Betty! I just don't know how to get rid of these thoughts that he's a changed man all of a sudden I always felt like he didn't appreciate all the things I did for him and now he seems so happy and appreciative. The way he treated me was so brutal that I got depressed and I'm still putting all the pieces together, while he's gone to wonderland. Maybe I'm selfish but I just don't get it
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Post by aisling on Aug 26, 2017 6:31:18 GMT
jaleesa, i'm sure it's not all as it seems. judging from your other posts, he sounds highly manipulative and pretty narcissistic, if i'm remembering him right, so i think he was probably intentionally making it seem like he's doing well just to beat you down. this is like catnip to people like him, and it's intended to make you stuck on him again, thus giving him the attention he craves.
i've been reading a lot of things about people like this, and one thing in these articles that has only just recently stuck out to me (after years of reading this) is the idea that it's really lonely to be with people like this, but it's even lonelier BEING these people. anytime you feel like this, try to remember that. i know it's hard. i know it hurts on a deep, deep level. you'll never be able to rationalize or understand people like this because they're not acting off of normal human motivations. they don't empathize as much as the rest of us. maybe it's because they experienced trauma as a kid, or maybe they're just deficient in mirror neurons (that does happen), but the bottom line is that right now, he's not capable of giving you what you need. i really doubt he magically became an empathetic person overnight and is suddenly caring. he has shown you that by how he acted. why do you need to know that his new girlfriend is paying off his debts? healthy people/healthy ex partners of yours wouldn't say that to you. heck, they would probably feel awkward about mentioning any new love interests. they wouldn't say something they knew would hurt you... but such is the life of people with incredibly low self-esteem: they feel better about themselves by making you feel worse about yourself.
that said, try, baby steps, to slowly edge him out of your mind. try not to focus so much on how he mistreated you, because that will keep you paralyzed in your grief and feeling victimized instead of feeling empowered and motivated to create your own life. we APs tend to over-focus on our partners because of our own low self-esteem. it's easier to focus on our crappy, limiting beliefs about how we're not good enough for our partners... we re-affirm this by believing that they'll find someone new and will suddenly be different people. sometimes, yes, anxious and avoidant people just bring out the worst in each other, and they might be much healthier with secures, but an avoidant having an easier time with someone else isn't a reflection on us. this guy being with this girl isn't a reflection on you. you can find someone who's better suited for you and will fit your needs and doesn't activate your insecurity and make you think that you're in love when it's really just the high of insecurity.
as hard as it is to do this, try and distract in moments like this. write lists of the reasons why he wasn't right for you. write lists of the things you want for yourself. remind yourself that you're on the path to building up a much stronger, healthier sense of self that doesn't need the validation of anyone else, but does need the support of people who are caring, loving, and have your best interests at heart. you'll have bad days. you'll have good ones. but you WILL find someone out there who can support you better once you start the journey of supporting yourself more!
best of luck.
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Post by jaleesa on Aug 26, 2017 9:39:59 GMT
Thank you Aisling for your kind words!
I don't know what to think of it anymore. He fits the profile of a DA to a T. In hindsight, literally all the signs were there to the point that he became abusive. He also resembles a covert narcissist or a "Peter Pan", like I was raising a child. It's just all so contradictory. He was shy, but also confident. He was humble, but also hostile. He was vulnerable, but also indifferent. DA's are known for their independency and he was indeed very independent, but he also looked kind of codependent. He needed me to take care of him, like a mother would do, but he also made sure I knew he wouldn't be bothered for a second if I would leave him. It never felt like he needed my praise or approval. I always thought he would never leave me because of all the things I've done for him, but this couldn't be further from the truth.
He never flaunted his new girlfriend like a narcissist would probably do, he even kept it a secret in the beginning. He said he did this because he didn't want to hurt me. I think he just didn't want drama. So now I try to be the bigger person and I wished him all the best.
I know that a "healthy" person would never ever do these things he did to me, so I know that is not on me. He's still on drugs and avoiding responsibility, instead she's taking responsibility for him (while her kids are involved and that makes me sad). So I know deep down he has not changed. Still it feels like it is all my fault. If only I'd known about attachment styles sooner. Do you think I could have prevented this?
I'm sorry. My mind is making me crazy right now and I know I have to work on myself. I'm in therapy and making progress. I know I became manipulative and abusive too in response to his behavior. We really were a match made in hell, making each other crazy, so it's good it's over and I don't miss him that way. I miss the idea of him I guess. The potential of him.
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Post by cricket on Aug 26, 2017 15:00:23 GMT
Jaleesa- my heart really goes out to you. I know your thoughts are consuming you right now. That's the hardest thing to change and the only thing that matters, our thoughts are what make or break us. Believe me you dodged a bullet! Thank goodness someone took over and he is now thier problem not yours. He came into your life to show you how much you want to be in a healthy place and have a healthy relationship. You now know what kind of work u have to do on yourself. And catering to someone in hopes that they won't leave u is never ever a good thing and that isn't love. I know because I was also manipulating like that but it came from my insecure needy place. It's just misguided love. I'm glad u are getting therapy. It really can show u how to love yourself first.
And don't think things are perfect w them. I thought that about my ex husband and I cried about it then I found out years later how miserable they really are. I think they r divorced now. Although the FB pics looked like they had the life I wanted or thought I wanted.
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Post by abolish on Aug 26, 2017 17:39:37 GMT
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Post by jaleesa on Aug 29, 2017 12:26:50 GMT
he told me she's paying off his debts and that she's so sweet. I feel like I wasn't worth it. Or you weren't stupid enough You have an answer in what he told you You're right. Thank you I got stuck in the thought that he will appreciate her more because she does all these things for him. I did a lot for him but I never went as far as paying off his debts. I refused to do that. From what I've heard she's giving him more space than I did though, if that's even possible because in my opinion I gave him lots of space, but I guess his fear will inevitably kick in once she's going to expect him to reciprocate. He's a "I'm only in for the benefits and if you get hurt that's your problem" kinda guy. Cricket, thank you for your kind words. I'm in a much better place right now. I decided to delete my Facebook account because it was making me feel miserable. I try to focus on myself and my own goals. Yesterday I had a conversation with one of his best friends. He said he confronted my ex, because he believes their relationship is fake and that he's taking advantage of her. My ex denied everything. I felt sorry for her though. I hope she opens her eyes one day.
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