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Post by fatalcharm on Aug 28, 2017 23:14:40 GMT
Any Avoidants here that can share how you feel about romantic gestures from your partner? It seems that whenever I send my FA flowers or a romantic text or anything that past girlfriends swooned over, it has a distancing effect rather than a heartwarming one. Has anyone had the same experience?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 17:25:51 GMT
It makes me feel very anxious and trapped to be honest. The intimacy alarms get triggered and I run.
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Post by fatalcharm on Aug 29, 2017 19:23:44 GMT
It makes me feel very anxious and trapped to be honest. The intimacy alarms get triggered and I run. Thank you pkidza. Any suggestions on how I can show love,support etc' without triggering her?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:43:10 GMT
It makes me feel very anxious and trapped to be honest. The intimacy alarms get triggered and I run. Thank you pkidza. Any suggestions on how I can show love,support etc' without triggering her? I really don't know to be honest. Love, support etc. Isn't that part of being intimate with someone? And that will just set the alarms off? I don't know.
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Post by gaynxious on Aug 30, 2017 20:28:49 GMT
In my limited personal experience, and I will caution I still don't know if my ex was FA or DA, overtly romantic gestures get you no where. Things my ex appreciated were largely practical. Doing chores around the house, maybe surprising them with their favorite food in a nonchalant way, things like that had an effect. Texts, statements of support, physical affection were only appreciated when specifically sought. Toward the end I would receive complaints that I didn't make gestures only to have the ones I made met with lukewarm acknowledgement. There was always some reason the gesture wasn't right but if it wasn't made it was a sign that I didn't care enough or as examples of how he was no longer getting anything out of the relationship.
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Post by fatalcharm on Sept 7, 2017 20:35:26 GMT
So last night I asked her point blank if my romantic texts etc' trigger her. She seemed hesitant and said she doesn't really know how to take them. I then told her that if they upset her I would stop sending them and she replied with "I didn't say that." Is it possible that she simultaneously likes getting them and hates getting them?
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Post by cricket on Sept 7, 2017 20:47:18 GMT
So last night I asked her point blank if my romantic texts etc' trigger her. She seemed hesitant and said she doesn't really know how to take them. I then told her that if they upset her I would stop sending them and she replied with "I didn't say that." Is it possible that she simultaneously likes getting them and hates getting them? I think it's possible. Reminds me when I told my DA- do you want me to just stop chasing you cuz I will- and he said - I never said that I wanted you to stop.- they leave you with just enough hope to keep you on the edge. Eventually I did stop and so did our relationship.
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Post by fatalcharm on Sept 7, 2017 20:55:49 GMT
So last night I asked her point blank if my romantic texts etc' trigger her. She seemed hesitant and said she doesn't really know how to take them. I then told her that if they upset her I would stop sending them and she replied with "I didn't say that." Is it possible that she simultaneously likes getting them and hates getting them? I think it's possible. Reminds me when I told my DA- do you want me to just stop chasing you cuz I will- and he said - I never said that I wanted you to stop.- they leave you with just enough hope to keep you on the edge. Eventually I did stop and so did our relationship. No kidding. I asked her if she has romantic feelings towards me and she said "I do and I don't". I asked what that means: "I don't know".
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Post by cricket on Sept 8, 2017 16:04:26 GMT
I think it's possible. Reminds me when I told my DA- do you want me to just stop chasing you cuz I will- and he said - I never said that I wanted you to stop.- they leave you with just enough hope to keep you on the edge. Eventually I did stop and so did our relationship. No kidding. I asked her if she has romantic feelings towards me and she said "I do and I don't". I asked what that means: "I don't know". You deserve someone who does know. I've heard that reply far too many times. I wish I wouldn't have taken it for an answer. She doesn't know and do you really want to wait around until she does know, hoping when she does know that it will be you she picks? You sound caring and patient and you deserve caring and considerate.
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Post by howpredictable on Sept 8, 2017 17:40:31 GMT
Is it possible that she simultaneously likes getting them and hates getting them? Of course. The loving texts serve on the one hand to reassure a FA person that they will not be abandoned, or calms their uncertainty about being loveable, adequate, etc. However, those same loving texts derive from having an intimate connection with someone else, which is a challange for FA people, and usually sparks anxiety. So they can simultaneously be a good thing, and a bad one. Literally, the same text in the same moment.
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Post by osemka8 on Sept 8, 2017 19:23:15 GMT
Can confirm above. My "ex" (we were together for a month) took my longer texts as spilling out my love for her, which was not remotely close. I was just telling her how I appreciate her company and how I feel etc. as I am in touch with my feelings and express them to the ones I care about. You know, the "normal" things whithout exaggerating anything and it drove her crazy scared. At the same time she liked getting those texts, but she got insanely scared. Overthinking everything as she put it. I re-read all those texts and still cannot comprehend how she could have understood I was spilling out my love. I directly told her I'm not in love as I couldn't be after such little time together. I stopped with the texts as it drove her crazy, but she still left.
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Post by aisling on Sept 12, 2017 7:53:40 GMT
No kidding. I asked her if she has romantic feelings towards me and she said "I do and I don't". I asked what that means: "I don't know". You deserve someone who does know. I've heard that reply far too many times. I wish I wouldn't have taken it for an answer. She doesn't know and do you really want to wait around until she does know, hoping when she does know that it will be you she picks? You sound caring and patient and you deserve caring and considerate. Oh, this this this! Thanks for the gentle reality check, cricket. I like framing it as an answer, because you're right, they're telling you exactly how they feel. Being around all the confusion and second-guessing and wondering whether or not simple gestures of connection or appreciation would eventually lead to distancing is enough to make you feel crazy!! I do want to add that receiving typical/scripted romantic texts and a standard bouquet of flowers from an online company doesn't feel good to me, and I'm on the anxious side. I think it's largely because it seems like the other person isn't putting in the effort to do something that I find romantic, or that's personally meaningful to me, but is doing something he was told is romantic... he thinks that's what he's supposed to do. Does that make sense? I'm not at all saying that's what you're doing, OP, but I wanted to throw that out there because these things would probably make me feel a little distant too. What does your partner appreciate? What is your partner's passion or hobby? I think some people, women especially, are weary of flowers and chocolate because it reinforces the idea that men are just out for sex (i do NOT believe that all, but conditioning is real and it stinks) and aren't really into getting to know you as a person, but are into doing things because they think they need to be in order to win you over. But it just feels hollow. For example, one of my good friends used to receive flowers from an abusive ex as his attempt to apologize without actually doing the work to make a real apology, so now she can't stand to get them because it reminds her of this. I know my dad, an extremely selfish, uncaring man, sent my mom flowers every holiday, so that's probably why I don't like getting them now. This might have nothing to do with your current situation, but it's an alternative perspective I guess?? Sometimes, the best romantic gestures are really simple, like taking care of the laundry for someone who doesn't like doing it.
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Post by leavethelighton on Sept 29, 2017 23:29:41 GMT
I am pretty avoidant. In regards to the question about how one may take romantic gestures, I do think I simultaneously like/appreciate them but also feel like I can't fully act appreciative, because I am also turned off by anything that seems to expect any particular response. Now my partner may or may not actually expect any particular response if they make a romantic gesture, but the symbolism of the gesture and the notion that people are supposed to respond in a certain way makes me NOT want to respond in that way. I'm like that about a lot of things, not just romantic gestures.
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Post by stavs on Feb 7, 2018 15:10:12 GMT
I think the key here is to just try different things and gauge the reactions you get. I'm a very giving individual and I I do a lot of romantic things for my girl. She seems to appreciate them, but doesnt get overly gushy about them which gives me anxiety, but I'm handling it better. I have found the things that she seems to respond to most are when I help her with things. I'm essentially her handyman and take care of the issues with the house that she cant do. The other day I helped her pick out a bbq and we went shopping for flowers. Not gonna lie, but I love doing this stuff with her and if it makes her happy, I am all in. Still, I like doing the traditional stuff as well. Random flowers do nothing for her, so thats out. I used to bake for her and while she was at work I would drop off baked goods to her house. Well, one day she snapped because she is getting fat (her words) and that I needed to stop giving her fattening stuff. I was upset, so I thought about it some. I changed my routine and I made a shit load of bacon, wrapped it up nicely and left it at her house so she would have something to eat when she got home and for breakfast for the next few days as she was working so many hours. Yesterday I made a nice meal for myself, one that I would only make if I had her over (cooking for one sucks). She was out of town and flying back in and I was picking her up at the airport. She has fallen ill, and still has to work and has limited time to get things done at home and even go food shopping, let alone prep food. I made this meal so she wouldnt have to worry about lunch/dinner for the next few days. She is moved by food, and this is also a problem for her as she binge eats when she is stressed. I had to adjust my need to give to meet her needs, and keep in mind the parameters I need to follow when doing so. WHen I got her home last night I started unloading the food (she had no idea), and I could see how pleased she was. Later that night when we spoke, she told me how sweet I was for doing so. I'll be honest, I'm like a dog in that I need to be told I'm a good boy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 15:25:25 GMT
i have never responded well to such gestures and have at times had a very negative response. i never thought about it much, and didn’t fully understand my reaction at the time. but i can tell you now, that those gestures seem like part of a romantic culture that always has felt alien to me, and it did make me feel an inner sense of being pressured to speak a language that i don’t speak. i can see now, looking back, that the intention of the giver was good. i was being high fived and i accidentally left them hanging.
Now, with more awareness, i can say that one of the most meaningful gestures of love to me, if it were to be a material expression, would be a thoughtfully selected item having something to do with a favorite interest, hobby, or activity of mine. This would demonstrate to me that my partner sees, appreciates, and encourages me as an individual. i think of someone were to do that for me it would move me to tears. I haven’t experienced that much in my life but i see happy couples do that sort of thing for each other all the time, and i did it for my ex DA as well. he showed his care for me in other ways according to his own capacity but i think this particular way would mean very very much to me.
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