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Post by tnr9 on May 14, 2020 13:27:25 GMT
I am sure I have gone though this before....but I have found myself more afraid and distrusting of love rather then hopeful. It is this weird dichotomy of wanting to be able to have different feelings, but realizing that (for now) I can’t. My friends and therapist want me to venture out....date new people and all I want to do is tuck in and hide in a corner. And then the comparisons come up all anew.....how is it that I am more “broken” (yes, that is the word that came to mind when thinking of this) then B when I have had decades of therapy. I know these feelings will pass but the overall fear seems like it is a bit more permanent. Like I have tried and been burned one too many times and I can’t find a reason to go through that rejection again. Any thoughts or suggestions? This really is a challenging place to be.
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Post by annieb on May 14, 2020 14:28:12 GMT
All I know is that if you are feeling this way, you will attract a man that will reinforce these beliefs so I would not date yet. I would really just keep working on your own happiness and future and make mood-boards if I have to to really map out my happiness. Spend this time to absolutely and 100% love and adore yourself, do all the things you always wanted to do, etc. Google article called 42 things of improving yourself. Whenever I start doing the things on that list. My satisfaction with life and my self esteem gradually rises. It’s a wonderful feeling.
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Post by alexandra on May 14, 2020 17:41:17 GMT
You also can't let other people tell you that you "should" date. If you're not ready at the moment, you're not ready and that's perfectly fine. Listen to and trust yourself. And as annieb just said, if you struggle with attachment issues and force yourself to connect romantically when it makes you feel overwhelmed and not ready, you'll end up repeating in a bad dynamic with another unhealthy potential partner. When I was working through stuff, sometimes I'd go online and go on a date or two just to see how I felt about it. I was generally not ready, and that was very clear after only a date or two, and then I'd stop trying for another 2-3 months before briefly checking in again. You can't measure your progress by you've already done so much work so why aren't you healed yet, either. You could have spent a long time on a method of therapy that didn't work for you, or with a therapist who wasn't very good. You've made a lot more progress since you've started SE therapy, and that was recent in the scheme of things. It's not an equation, but I already spent X time so I should have automatically graduated I've also mentioned before that I see hints of FA with you, but that I think you're attracted to avoidants so you don't really get into your avoidant side. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case based on the type of emotional trauma you grew up with, and FA is the hardest to unwind because it's reprogramming double the amount of nervous system defense mechanisms. But even if you are firmly AP, these are all time-consuming to address and can easily take a couple or a few years to undo after finally starting with an approach that works better for you, such as SE plus the medication you started I think I remember only a year or two ago. Also, dating new people during a pandemic is really hard. If you can't see each other per normal, it'll leave you with a lot of time and space to project and idealize, so if you're not feeling ready to date, it's not a good time to force yourself. That's not "avoiding" moving on, as long as you're firmly focused on continuing to work on healing yourself and not wallowing, and I do believe you're still doing good self-work and processing at this time.
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Post by mrob on May 15, 2020 1:12:38 GMT
how is it that I am more “broken” (yes, that is the word that came to mind when thinking of this) then B when I have had decades of therapy.
Because we don’t all start from the same place. I have one friend in particular, who had two girlfriends then married the third. They truly are happy, they have their heads screwed on and been married for close to 20 years. That’s not my story. His upbringing was different. He started from somewhere very different to me. I’d love to be the same, I’m just not.
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Post by alexandra on May 15, 2020 1:42:57 GMT
Because we don’t all start from the same place. I have one friend in particular, who had two girlfriends then married the third. They truly are happy, they have their heads screwed on and been married for close to 20 years. That’s not my story. His upbringing was different. He started from somewhere very different to me. I’d love to be the same, I’m just not. In addition to this, tnr9, you're still assuming B is just fine and functional because on the surface, he's getting engaged. That's not something you know, it's the comparison trap negative narrative (others better than self).
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Post by serenity on May 15, 2020 5:21:31 GMT
I am sure I have gone though this before....but I have found myself more afraid and distrusting of love rather then hopeful. It is this weird dichotomy of wanting to be able to have different feelings, but realizing that (for now) I can’t. My friends and therapist want me to venture out....date new people and all I want to do is tuck in and hide in a corner. And then the comparisons come up all anew.....how is it that I am more “broken” (yes, that is the word that came to mind when thinking of this) then B when I have had decades of therapy. I know these feelings will pass but the overall fear seems like it is a bit more permanent. Like I have tried and been burned one too many times and I can’t find a reason to go through that rejection again. Any thoughts or suggestions? This really is a challenging place to be. Hugs trn9 <3 I've always trusted empathetic men a ton, even though I've been savagely burned by avoidants here and there. The empathetic ones can sometimes want to rush, or seem hopelessly innocent. But if you keep the pace reasonable at first, so you properly evaluate someone for compatibility, you can find the right empath for you. I don't buy that if you've loved avoidants, you can't be attracted to another type. Its really about what qualities you decide to value in people. Also, there's nothing "broken" about wanting to be single for as long as you prefer. Its a smart move when you've been burned, and gives you the opportunity to explore friendships with safer people. And yeah, you may have a FA attachment style, that swung anxious with someone more avoidant that you. A lot of anxious FA's get armchair diagnosed here by certain people as AP's. But keep in mind they are not mental health professionals nor your therapist. You could definitely be FA.
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Post by annieb on May 16, 2020 14:47:11 GMT
I think the fact that you hung on to B for this long is a good indication of avoidance - an AP would have already found a new “qualifier” as we call it in the Love Addiction forums. 😂 But all these issues are all the same in my opinion, just different coping strategies. The main issues remain the same and to be solved. And those are the hardest. Self love, self care, self esteem, self validation. And that includes what role other people play in it, but it’s mostly about us.
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Post by tnr9 on May 17, 2020 16:54:14 GMT
Hi all...first I want to thank you for all your responses and kind words. I read all of them but needed time to really explore my feelings and get back to my adult self. If FA boils down to not trusting self and not trusting others...but desperately wanting to....then I have been there for a while. I think, given my history of falling for FA after FA after FA with 2 Narcs, it is good for me to be a bit wary....although I own the fact that I have gone a bit extreme at times. Right now, I have this reprieve...B is just a guy....but even saying that has cause tears to well up so I will not say I am over what he meant he meant to me. There are still deep, deep feelings....sadness, rage....that bubble to the surface. In this moment I can say it is good that he and I are not together. I was pondering a parallel between B and K....a guy I dated over 20 years ago. K and I dated for 3 years....I broke up with K because I fell hard for a narc at work....K tried to pursue me but I rejected him....when things fell apart with the narc....I tried to rekindle things with K, but then he met someone and broke up with me and they got engaged rather quickly. Not sure why this means so much...still exploring those things with my therapist.
Recently I watched a show about the unabomber and there was a comment by one of his victims that really struck me....”There is no closure, there is different, there is better”. Trying to find my way to better.
Thank you all so very much.
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Post by toorational on Jun 1, 2020 13:21:30 GMT
tnr9, I'm not entirely up-to-date on your story so apologies if I'm missing the mark with my comments (I know I did before but let me try again). It seems to me that B and your issues with relationships seem to consume a lot of your thoughts. Instead of thinking even harder about the whole thing, more therapy, more analysis, etc, perhaps one avenue to explore would be to try to take a break from all these thoughts?
What I mean by that is perhaps try to focus your energy on something entirely different that will make you feel better. For example, learning a new sport, joining a gym, taking painting lessons, dance lessons, starting a new hobby, a big renovation project, etc. Anything that will make you feel good and take your mind somewhere else. Ideally something physical because it will release endorphins. Even better if it's something challenging that can help you push yourself and achieve a goal (like running your first 10k, but can be anything). Feelings of achievements are quite powerful morale boosters in my experience.
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Post by tnr9 on Jun 1, 2020 13:28:59 GMT
tnr9, I'm not entirely up-to-date on your story so apologies if I'm missing the mark with my comments (I know I did before but let me try again). It seems to me that B and your issues with relationships seem to consume a lot of your thoughts. Instead of thinking even harder about the whole thing, more therapy, more analysis, etc, perhaps one avenue to explore would be to try to take a break from all these thoughts? What I mean by that is perhaps try to focus your energy on something entirely different that will make you feel better. For example, learning a new sport, joining a gym, taking painting lessons, dance lessons, starting a new hobby, a big renovation project, etc. Anything that will make you feel good and take your mind somewhere else. Ideally something physical because it will release endorphins. Even better if it's something challenging that can help you push yourself and achieve a goal (like running your first 10k, but can be anything). Feelings of achievements are quite powerful morale boosters in my experience. Hey there...yeh...I get that it seems that B takes up a lot of my thought patterns and activities but in truth, he really doesn’t...it just seems that way because I typically post about insights, painful memories etc in order to prepare myself for my next relationship. Also, I am pretty simplistic when it comes to things I enjoy....I spent time outside with my cat in his carrier and journaled. My mom is a real go to person...I am not...so what makes me happy looks pretty darn passive by a lot of people’s standards and I am ok with it.
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Post by toorational on Jun 1, 2020 13:57:23 GMT
Great. I understand that posting your thoughts here is part of the healing process and does not necessarily mean that you're thinking about that all the time. I do the same!
Not judging what activities make you happy, as long as it works for you, great!
All the best.
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Post by tnr9 on Jun 1, 2020 15:51:55 GMT
Great. I understand that posting your thoughts here is part of the healing process and does not necessarily mean that you're thinking about that all the time. I do the same! Not judging what activities make you happy, as long as it works for you, great! All the best. Yeh...it has been very cool to use what I am learning here with my therapist and trying to untangle “me” from my perceived self and others expectations of me. It is too easy to believe the lie that if I was just “different”, I could get the relationship I desire instead of being open to a relationship that fits who I truly am. But that is part of the insecure story....wanting the perfect self and the perfect partner.
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