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Post by jenga on Sept 7, 2017 4:25:54 GMT
My ex FA/DA is a heavy drug user--MDMA/molly, cocaine, Xanax, pain killers, ambient, etc... I wouldn't say he is addicted or dependent, but he is definitely an avid user. Also, he is typically alone when he indulges.
I have read a few articles on DA's and substance abuse, but was wondering if anyone has more insight/personal experiences as to why this is?
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Post by cricket on Sept 7, 2017 4:41:23 GMT
People generally become hooked on drugs due to a lot of emotional pain in their lives and drugs is an escape. I wouldn't classify drug use w DA's. Sounds like he may be very depressed. That is usually a sure sign there is depression going on. Anyone can have a drug problem. Since he does have a drug problem you can bet that having a relationship is not a priority, the drugs are. He may have all kinds of attachment issues going on. But only he can determine when he wants to get off drugs.
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Post by DearLover on Sept 8, 2017 18:27:26 GMT
Jenga, I just wanted to say that it doesn't matter what he is or what he isn't, please put the focus back on yourself and let him be. Sending peace and love.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 20:08:07 GMT
My ex FA/DA is a heavy drug user--MDMA/molly, cocaine, Xanax, pain killers, ambient, etc... I wouldn't say he is addicted or dependent, but he is definitely an avid user. Also, he is typically alone when he indulges. I have read a few articles on DA's and substance abuse, but was wondering if anyone has more insight/personal experiences as to why this is? I would have thought that drug use is frequently a manifestation of avoidance of feeling - whether it be emotional pain, depression, loneliness or whatever and that a person who is DA in relationship ie avoiding intimacy is similarly avoiding "feeling" good or bad therefore there is a potential for the two to happen together. Life is by its' very nature full of up and down and emotional engagement - DAs seem to seek to avoid this and only want the good stuff, never wanting the drama of feeling and placing themselves above this humanity. Plenty of the time this is as a result of horrible pain early in life which has taught the da to subconsciously suppress their feelings and behave in such a way that they avoid triggering situations especially intimacy. Some people with issues with substance abuse might be doing the same -albeit in a more conscious way, using drugs, drink, food, compulsive spending or whatever in order not to have to experience their feelings. My DA/FA ex drinks heavily, has previously smoked marijuana alot and admits that he does it to get away from responsibility, from real life and the feelings that come with it. Self medication can lead to a more even existence and also serves to distance the addict from other people and so the drug of choice takes the place of a lover and becomes a priority allowing the da to keep everyone else at arms length.
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Post by serene13 on Sept 8, 2017 22:20:13 GMT
The DA I knew totally abstains from everything - mostly from a fear of losing control and family history. I would almost prefer for them to relax and indulge a little - perhaps lose a little control and act a little human - but they probably know best
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Post by cricket on Sept 8, 2017 22:44:31 GMT
Drugs is a tricky topic. There is really no general type that would or would not get addicted. I know DA's who would never use and I know depressed people who don't use and depressed people who are AP that do use. You really can't say just from the attachment type if they would get hooked or not.
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Post by gaynxious on Sept 8, 2017 23:15:01 GMT
I've read that DA almost always have some sort of addiction. I usually find such sweeping statements suspect and I have seen these in psychology writing but not necessarily in actual research findings. Anxious individuals can be prone to self medicating pain of rejection or low self esteem. The thinking for DA is that they need the addiction either to feel something comfortably or to distract. When I met my ex he didn't drink much but when he did he always got wasted. Like can barely walk might vomit wasted. He didn't see the point of drinking if he wasn't going to get really drunk. Fast forward years later when he finally has a social life and he drinks to excess frequently. Has mastered drinking in small quantities but if he wants to have fun still gets to the can barely walk and actually fell over several times. I expressed my worry that he drank too much and it was always met with denial. He was very against marijuana when I met and now he does it frequently, might just be California culture. The most interesting was he tried Molly and became incredibly loving and open and wanted sex as much as I did. At this point our relationship was literally crashing down around us and we were having the best sex we had ever had in our ten year relationship but he was either wasted or rolling. I kept hoping and even slightly encouraging him to do Molly because I knew he would be loving and and present. I don't know if I buy the idea that DA have an addiction but I suspect attachment insecurity itself causes a lot of pain that increases one's chance of looking to substances for escape.
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Post by jaleesa on Sept 9, 2017 11:13:17 GMT
I would have thought that drug use is frequently a manifestation of avoidance of feeling - whether it be emotional pain, depression, loneliness or whatever and that a person who is DA in relationship ie avoiding intimacy is similarly avoiding "feeling" good or bad therefore there is a potential for the two to happen together. My DA/FA ex drinks heavily, has previously smoked marijuana alot and admits that he does it to get away from responsibility, from real life and the feelings that come with it. Self medication can lead to a more even existence and also serves to distance the addict from other people and so the drug of choice takes the place of a lover and becomes a priority allowing the da to keep everyone else at arms length. I agree with you ocarina. I'm AP but when I was younger I used to drink and smoke a lot of marijuana. I didn't know how to cope with my emotions in any other way so this made my life easier in some way. It really is avoidance. When I think about it now, I realize I used to have a lot of avoidants around me. All addicted to marijuana and stuck in toxic relationships. I cut off all contact with them when my ex and I broke up. When I met my DA ex, I found out he was also addicted to drinking and marijuana and sometimes he used cocaine. I didn't see it as a red flag, because at the time I wasn't aware of the fact that we did it to avoid something. I genuinely thought we were just having a good time. At one point I quit smoking and drinking because I wanted a normal life. He often said he also wanted to quit, so I turned into Florence Nightingale and tried to support him. He never managed to quit though and is still addicted to this day. He always said that marijuana makes him feel normal and makes him sleep better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 12:30:53 GMT
I would have thought that drug use is frequently a manifestation of avoidance of feeling - whether it be emotional pain, depression, loneliness or whatever and that a person who is DA in relationship ie avoiding intimacy is similarly avoiding "feeling" good or bad therefore there is a potential for the two to happen together. My DA/FA ex drinks heavily, has previously smoked marijuana alot and admits that he does it to get away from responsibility, from real life and the feelings that come with it. Self medication can lead to a more even existence and also serves to distance the addict from other people and so the drug of choice takes the place of a lover and becomes a priority allowing the da to keep everyone else at arms length. I agree with you ocarina. I'm AP but when I was younger I used to drink and smoke a lot of marijuana. I didn't know how to cope with my emotions in any other way so this made my life easier in some way. It really is avoidance. When I think about it now, I realize I used to have a lot of avoidants around me. All addicted to marijuana and stuck in toxic relationships. I cut off all contact with them when my ex and I broke up. When I met my DA ex, I found out he was also addicted to drinking and marijuana and sometimes he used cocaine. I didn't see it as a red flag, because at the time I wasn't aware of the fact that we did it to avoid something. I genuinely thought we were just having a good time. At one point I quit smoking and drinking because I wanted a normal life. He often said he also wanted to quit, so I turned into Florence Nightingale and tried to support him. He never managed to quit though and is still addicted to this day. He always said that marijuana makes him feel normal and makes him sleep better. I've always been wary of partners who lose themselves in something - whether it's drugs, work, alcohol or whatever. I think it's a sign of maturity to be able to confront ones own demons and in a relationship that's what I want - someone who is willing to be really present. All these behaviours take away from that ability to be really there for another person and in this way they damage trust and connection. There's a great book by Tich Nacht Hahn called True Love which describes it really well - how can you seek to truly love if you're not there for whatever reason. This is not meant to be judgmental on those who hold alot of pain and don't know or want to deal with it - it does mean however that I'd watch out for them as you end up dealing with their damage and hurt as well as your own which is unlikely to have a happy outcome as it helps them to avoid their own issues.
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Post by jaleesa on Sept 9, 2017 13:31:05 GMT
I've always been wary of partners who lose themselves in something - whether it's drugs, work, alcohol or whatever. I think it's a sign of maturity to be able to confront ones own demons and in a relationship that's what I want - someone who is willing to be really present. All these behaviours take away from that ability to be really there for another person and in this way they damage trust and connection. There's a great book by Tich Nacht Hahn called True Love which describes it really well - how can you seek to truly love if you're not there for whatever reason. This is not meant to be judgmental on those who hold alot of pain and don't know or want to deal with it - it does mean however that I'd watch out for them as you end up dealing with their damage and hurt as well as your own which is unlikely to have a happy outcome as it helps them to avoid their own issues. Yes you're right. If only I'd known this back then haha. He's avoidant in every aspect of his life. When we moved in together, we agreed that he would pay off his debts. He started to work a lot and in the beginning I admired him for this, until I noticed that he had absolutely no time left for me. Still appreciated him and I often said that I was proud of him, but I felt really lonely to be honest. He was always on the go. When I tried to talk to him, he said I didn't appreciate his hard work, so I felt guilty and selfish most of the time. After 3 years I broke up with him though. Couldn't handle it anymore. But he became a completely different person all of a sudden. He stopped working all those long hours and did all the things we always talked about. He just didn't do it with me. I thought he was a changed man, so after 6 months I gave him another chance, only to find him working long hours again. So weird haha but I understand it now. I often wonder if he knows what he was doing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 13:36:36 GMT
Jalessa - I could have written your post myself - the promise of change, the wonderful reconciliation, stopping drinking and drugs, reading the books I read and all the rest - it never lasted long though and he still wants to try again after goodness knows how many attempts and how many years of pain for me.
The thing is that it was all about him - I was his drug and all he wanted was to have his supply but there was nothing about what he might give back to me, remorse at the pain he was causing. He knew he was doing it too - not an attractive trait - he was quite aware and yet still couldn't see the point of even attempting to do things differently. That was the killer for me.
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Post by jaleesa on Sept 9, 2017 15:46:15 GMT
Jalessa - I could have written your post myself - the promise of change, the wonderful reconciliation, stopping drinking and drugs, reading the books I read and all the rest - it never lasted long though and he still wants to try again after goodness knows how many attempts and how many years of pain for me. The thing is that it was all about him - I was his drug and all he wanted was to have his supply but there was nothing about what he might give back to me, remorse at the pain he was causing. He knew he was doing it too - not an attractive trait - he was quite aware and yet still couldn't see the point of even attempting to do things differently. That was the killer for me. Yes, more often than not it is all about them unfortunately, even though I know they have their own fears they have to cope with. I know from experience that it's really hard to confront your own fears, but this is an explanation, not an excuse to treat others with disrespect. I've also done some shitty things out of fear to be honest, but I always held myself accountable for the mistakes I made. He didn't. Sometimes it's best to just let each other go, to prevent hurting each other more, and see it as a blessing in disguise. As long as we keep doing the hard work we need to do on ourselves, we will find a better fit eventually. Seems like you really dodged a bullet ocarina. It's not a relationship if he isn't willing to give anything back. To me, it seems like he loves to be in control a little too much. He's aware but still continues to hurt you. Now that's abusive in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 17:25:54 GMT
There's definitely something going on re control - he appears at all the things I do and it's making life really difficult because he treated me in a way that really hurt me and yet there we are sitting in a room together and I am pretending all is OK - or singing in a concert together. All the things we did were my hobbies before we met and I think he is using them to maintain some kind of tenuous connection. I'm wondering if it might be easier to just sever all contact but it means giving up activities that I love which seems a little unfair. He appears unchanged by the whole thing - I know he misses me but he really misses what I brought to him....
At the moment it's difficult - I wish I could erase the past but know I need really to work through this and use it as a lesson for the future...
Thanks Jaleesa
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