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Post by tnr9 on Jul 4, 2020 14:30:07 GMT
Tomorrow my mom is picking me up and we are driving to the rental house that is 3 hours away. I kinda dread that drive because my mom will also be full of anxiety about whether she brought enough food, she will be expressing her disappointment that she has spent $ for this vacation and my sister in law will only stay for a few days (my brother and nieces will be there the whole time) and she will likely complain about our step dad’s driving/lane changing. My brothers are not sympathetic and they do not realize that she needs to vent these things...so that role has always fallen to me. On the one hand, I don’t mind doing it because I feel it is the only thing I can do for her....being that we have nothing in common to talk about...no shared interests/hobbies....on the other hand, I don’t do a very good job with keeping boundaries and oftentimes, I end up feeling taxed by it. She doesn’t really ask about me and has no desire to talk about things that interest me. I love my mom....as much as she has never really seen me, reminds me what a trouble I was as a child and still believes she has a key role in making me presentable to the world (she is constantly buying products to address my hair, suggesting I make changes to my condo, etc), I still feel very responsible to not upset her.
There is limited parking at the rental home and no alternative ways to get to it....so what I am looking for are some tips on how to make this drive less....icky. How can I still support my mom and still maintain boundaries and autonomy? Thank you.
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Post by mrob on Jul 5, 2020 3:07:34 GMT
Maybe avoid being on your own with her, then sit in the back seat?
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 5, 2020 3:40:25 GMT
Maybe avoid being on your own with her, then sit in the back seat? Unfortunately....there is going to be so much in the car that there won’t be a back seat. And she told me today that I am responsible for navigation.
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Post by mrob on Jul 5, 2020 3:52:19 GMT
Good luck!
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Post by alexandra on Jul 5, 2020 4:59:56 GMT
tnr9, do you need to be an active listener? If she's venting, she's talking at you, and isn't so interested in engaging... can you tune out most of what she's saying so that it's not bothering you? I have family members like this, and it can certainly be frustrating, but how might you depersonalize it to the extent that it's not necessarily fun but isn't taxing either? They won't even notice if I'm just saying uh huh sometimes and also giving the driving directions.
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Post by alice on Jul 5, 2020 6:16:09 GMT
"Mom, do you ever notice that I listen to everything you have to say, but you don't bother to ask about me? Do you ever think maybe I would appreciate that you listen to what I care about or if you would ask about me?"
I have taught my mom a lot over time by pointing out how she does certain passive aggressive things. And instead of being passive aggressive, now she directly tells me when I'm difficult, which I completely appreciate. We've come a long way, and while it's been exhausting and caused conflict at times, things never would have improved if I didn't take steps to point out stuff to her.
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Post by alexandra on Jul 5, 2020 9:46:16 GMT
alice, I generally agree it's better to talk about things with people open to hearing it, but tnr9 has talked about her mom in a way before that sounds like she may have a PD. In which case it's about coexisting best you can in the way healthiest for you because it's almost impossible to change the dynamic :/
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 5, 2020 10:50:38 GMT
"Mom, do you ever notice that I listen to everything you have to say, but you don't bother to ask about me? Do you ever think maybe I would appreciate that you listen to what I care about or if you would ask about me?" I have taught my mom a lot over time by pointing out how she does certain passive aggressive things. And instead of being passive aggressive, now she directly tells me when I'm difficult, which I completely appreciate. We've come a long way, and while it's been exhausting and caused conflict at times, things never would have improved if I didn't take steps to point out stuff to her. H Alice....I think it is wonderful that your mom has been open to your teaching. If I said the above to my mom...she will point out how many YEARS/DECADES she had to deal with my “selfish” behavior. That will open a horrible floodgate of her pointing out all the times that I pushed her limits, acted socially unacceptable, and how my brothers did not get enough attention because of all the attention on me. And it won’t change anything because my mom isn’t open to change. One thing I think I should share. I asked my mom about her childhood....she has 1 sister (Who was considered the smart one while my mom was considered the pretty one...a designation she really has resented since her dad and mom were both doctors and her sister became a doctor as well) and 2 brothers and she said that growing up....they were treated like peas in a pod....meaning, her parents treated them as if they were all the same. I truly believe my mom has been trying to be “seen” as an autonomous individual for decades....so, her boundaries are extremely tight and she is hyper vigilant to anyone trying to define her or tell her she is wrong. Both men she has married haven’t really seen her either...she has married insecure men who also have a strong need to be seen themselves. My dad had narcissistic tendencies and cheated on my mom. My step father gets extremely defensive when questioned about his beliefs and they ( my mom and him) are politically opposite it just isn’t an overall happy situation and I try to navigate things the best I can. Since I know I cannot change my mom...I am trying to use this as an opportunity to improve my own internal boundaries and not take everything she says “in”. I figure there has to be a way to make this work without expecting her to change.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 5, 2020 11:07:46 GMT
alice , I generally agree it's better to talk about things with people open to hearing it, but tnr9 has talked about her mom in a way before that sounds like she may have a PD. In which case it's about coexisting best you can in the way healthiest for you because it's almost impossible to change the dynamic :/ Thanks Alexandra....I don’t know if my mom is PD...my dad certainly exhibited narcissistic tendencies. It has always been easier to speak of my dad’s issues then my mom’s because I don’t really have “memories” before the divorce....it is like that girl did not even exist except in photos. And from the divorce forward....my mom defined me as the problem....so that is how I have seen things. My mom being “normal” and I being “damaged” (sound familiar....like how I have viewed B). This year has been a huge awakening of the reality of my mom...but now that I see her...I don’t know how to work in this dynamic. I don’t know how to be on equal footing with boundaries that are either non existent or so tight that is a wall and a moat and another wall.
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Post by alice on Jul 6, 2020 3:34:49 GMT
"Mom, do you ever notice that I listen to everything you have to say, but you don't bother to ask about me? Do you ever think maybe I would appreciate that you listen to what I care about or if you would ask about me?" I have taught my mom a lot over time by pointing out how she does certain passive aggressive things. And instead of being passive aggressive, now she directly tells me when I'm difficult, which I completely appreciate. We've come a long way, and while it's been exhausting and caused conflict at times, things never would have improved if I didn't take steps to point out stuff to her. H Alice....I think it is wonderful that your mom has been open to your teaching. If I said the above to my mom...she will point out how many YEARS/DECADES she had to deal with my “selfish” behavior. That will open a horrible floodgate of her pointing out all the times that I pushed her limits, acted socially unacceptable, and how my brothers did not get enough attention because of all the attention on me. And it won’t change anything because my mom isn’t open to change. One thing I think I should share. I asked my mom about her childhood....she has 1 sister (Who was considered the smart one while my mom was considered the pretty one...a designation she really has resented since her dad and mom were both doctors and her sister became a doctor as well) and 2 brothers and she said that growing up....they were treated like peas in a pod....meaning, her parents treated them as if they were all the same. I truly believe my mom has been trying to be “seen” as an autonomous individual for decades....so, her boundaries are extremely tight and she is hyper vigilant to anyone trying to define her or tell her she is wrong. Both men she has married haven’t really seen her either...she has married insecure men who also have a strong need to be seen themselves. My dad had narcissistic tendencies and cheated on my mom. My step father gets extremely defensive when questioned about his beliefs and they ( my mom and him) are politically opposite it just isn’t an overall happy situation and I try to navigate things the best I can. Since I know I cannot change my mom...I am trying to use this as an opportunity to improve my own internal boundaries and not take everything she says “in”. I figure there has to be a way to make this work without expecting her to change. I understand. Well, you know your mom well enough to make that determination, but what has happened with my mom has taken 15 or so years of arguments and fighting with me calling her out constantly on her crap. She also had a sibling that was the favorite of her parents. Her parents were a real piece of work, let me tell you. So I do give her some empathy for this. She is hard DA though and yes has very hard boundaries. Whenever I would call her out, she would bring up one of three times in my life she did something nice for me. Finally, I started saying to her, "hey so when you fed us as kids, and we wanted food a week later, would you point out the three times you fed us in the past year?" She started to get my point. That doing something nice once every five years really doesn't cut it in a relationship. Anyway, it's still a lot of work for me, and I find that when I put myself in a position with her where she has some form of control (usually a flight to visit her with no car), I am miserable. She reverts back to when I was a kid and kind of lords the control over me. Last year when it happened, I swore I just would never put myself in that position again. On the flip side, in the past year, these words came out of her mouth "I'm sorry, I'll try to do better." And my jaw was dropped. I think she has apologized maybe 2-3 times to me ever. It has been a lot of work, and if I hadn't done any of this, I would just never spend time with her.
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Post by mixedsyles on Jul 6, 2020 9:37:41 GMT
Tomorrow my mom is picking me up and we are driving to the rental house that is 3 hours away. I kinda dread that drive because my mom will also be full of anxiety about whether she brought enough food, she will be expressing her disappointment that she has spent $ for this vacation and my sister in law will only stay for a few days (my brother and nieces will be there the whole time) and she will likely complain about our step dad’s driving/lane changing. My brothers are not sympathetic and they do not realize that she needs to vent these things...so that role has always fallen to me. On the one hand, I don’t mind doing it because I feel it is the only thing I can do for her....being that we have nothing in common to talk about...no shared interests/hobbies....on the other hand, I don’t do a very good job with keeping boundaries and oftentimes, I end up feeling taxed by it. She doesn’t really ask about me and has no desire to talk about things that interest me. I love my mom....as much as she has never really seen me, reminds me what a trouble I was as a child and still believes she has a key role in making me presentable to the world (she is constantly buying products to address my hair, suggesting I make changes to my condo, etc), I still feel very responsible to not upset her. There is limited parking at the rental home and no alternative ways to get to it....so what I am looking for are some tips on how to make this drive less....icky. How can I still support my mom and still maintain boundaries and autonomy? Thank you. I don’t know what to say because I prefer being the one who listen and make question while interacting with my family and friends. I have no problem sharing with them the good things that happens in my life or talking about more superficial things but the bad things I feel more comfortable keeping to myself. You can listen and pay attention to her and share something about you even if she doesn’t ask?
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