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Post by alice on Aug 18, 2020 3:29:35 GMT
I go through bouts of this. And generally it will go back to whoever the last person I had an attachment to. This last person is a dishonest and lousy person who I had great conversations with and so after time, I forget the bad things and long for those conversations. Or I read something that I know we'd have a good conversation about, and I want to share it with him. I then remember the bad things and am actually turned off, but I get mad which is draining. I have to keep coming back to that, but I don't want to be angry and drained.
Any suggestions as to how to solve this? I wouldn't say I'm hung up on him, but I think it is more of a desire to connect and he was just the last one. I try dating, which generally sucks. But whether I find someone with potential or not, I'd like to be able to go about my daily life without this longing.
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Post by annieb on Aug 18, 2020 14:13:30 GMT
I think it’s still the reward mechanism being activated in the brain - an addiction. I would research techniques and treatments in overcoming addiction. For what it’s worth, when I’m on the right meds these thoughts don’t even cross my mind as that reward pathway is not used. I don’t even remember who my last object of affection (addiction for me) was, but if I come across them either on line or in person, I remember, but I don’t linger.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 18, 2020 19:47:08 GMT
alice, I agree some of it is what annieb is saying, but it also is that combined with falling back on yourself to meet that connection need. When I was AP, I did what you are describing constantly, and it would get worse under other stress. What worked for me was strengthening my confidence and relationship with myself. Sounds cheesy, but connecting more with myself and what I actually wanted, trying activities that interested me no matter what anyone else might think about them, prioritizing myself and doing what I wanted to do, which then faded out some of my abandonment fears, really helped to break pattern of longing for someone I might not even actually miss but they were the "last" guy so left some ghost imprint to go back to. And I can remember doing that even as young as 12 years old.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 23:38:08 GMT
i had the same impulses, but what I'm craving is having connections and feeling connected. There's nothing quite like the rush of connecting for me and it's something very core of me. In addition to what annieb and alexandra did, I took to sharing stuff online (fb groups, twitter, interest groups), joining this forum, and journalling. If i had thoughts about TV shows, I googled those thoughts and read about how other people thought that way and what else they thought about. I "connected" by chatting to strangers e.g., waiters, cashiers, to satisfy the need for connectedness but in a safe way because there is no strings/ties attached. I created ways of connection that I could do everyday without being attached to anyone in particular, and the lesson is that you can do that with anything and anyone and anytime. And most times, the things you're connecting on (e.g., article, tv show, thought, meme, talking about random things in a day) are really not that important in terms of seeking out a partner for. A partner is way more than a source of connection, and therefore should be held to higher and broader standards for ourselves. Most fundamentally, my belief system shifted - i decided that being alone and unconnected (not disconnected!!) was better for me than connecting with those who are bad for me. The rush is wonderful but everything else was a disaster. It's like marrying someone you have great sex with - sex is great but life is terrible. My belief system shifted to me and my well-being as priority, that being calm and safe and neutral is better than the highs I constantly seek, even if I miss the highs and all that jazz. In short, i fulfilled my need for connectedness in varied and harmless ways, mainly with strangers and others with similar interests - the key is really connecting without attaching. focused deeply on myself and paid (some) attention to those who are reliable and safe. decided that it's better to be alone and unconnected than connect with what threatens my well-being.
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Post by alice on Aug 19, 2020 3:32:02 GMT
@shiningstar
This makes a lot of sense for me. Covid, in part, has eliminated a bunch of these opportunities for me. I had to cut back on communication with a guy friend because he has feelings for me and gets weird every so often. I connected to someone else online who told me he is AP. He's very aware, but I suddenly feel responsible because he said he's trying not to become AP with me... To me, he's still a stranger. An interesting one, but a stranger I have zero expectations from nonetheless. I had a former coworker call me recently. I had a bit of a crush on him awhile back, but I was able to manage this as I don't think that is a good idea. He asked to hang out, and I think we are going to. We connect well, but I need to manage that for myself, especially if I'm sort of longing for that right now.
ALL that being said, I probably am missing connections in general and am more isolated as a lot of people are during this time. And I hate being online too much also. It's not as fulfilling. Something I can work on here though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 8:13:26 GMT
alice it may be helpful to think find ways of connecting with people who have no ties to you (like us!!), by becoming an online mentor, finding a therapy, joining a reading group or whatever. The guys you've mentioned are all people with ties to you - friends, coworkers, potential partners. There's expectations and attachments already in that tie. That's nice but "dangerous" because you're equating/confounding connection and relationships. This is a very helpful conversation for myself as I'm now concretizing my thoughts. In my mind, these things are separated: need for connectedness (my inner needs), connection (the feeling of being understood/seen/heard), relationships (a pattern of interacting with another individual). while relationships are a source of connections that fulfill my need for connectedness, it is not the only source. When we rely on one source, or think of that source as connection, then we are left longing when that source is gone. The best and most reliable source is the self, and therefore, it becomes important to find connection with oneself, by building a relationship with self, so that the need for connectedness is always (mostly) fulfilled. but you are extremely right that COVID makes it harder to find connections - it's hard even to chat with the cashier or cafe wait staff!! No doubt it's a challenging time. I hope you take it easy on yourself and treat yourself to lots of good food and entertainment!
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Post by anne12 on Aug 19, 2020 9:19:57 GMT
Due to covid you can besides the a above suggestions activate your social engagement system by: - Lisetning to music (music you like) - Reading books, listening to podcasts, using audible - Walking in Nature. If you dont have acces to nature irl you can watch nature programmes, listening to sounds of nature - birds, rain ect. You can also bye a plant or a flower to get nature into your home - You can start playing an instrument - something where you are using air (a flute, a 🎷 ect.) - You can use the ohm sound - You can bye a pet or visit a shelter. - You can smile and wave at strangers (often time they will wave back at you) - You can draw, knit, make pottery ect. - You can turn your webcam on and watch a movie "with" a webcam friend, cook with the webcam turned on ect. - you can use this kind eyes exercise m.youtube.com/watch?v=leVxB1l5NiY. Ect.
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Post by anne12 on Aug 19, 2020 10:51:11 GMT
About the longing that you want to get rid of: You can regulate (watertank exercise, orienting exercise, neurosensory exercises) What would happen if you said to yourself: Okay longing, there you are. And that's okay. You are allowed to be here Right Now, now that you are here. (When you say right now, you are telling yourself that it is not going to last). If you have resistance you say the same thing to the resistance. The same with the anger and what else is coming up. You can give yourself a selfhug while you are saying it or put a hand or your heart . (paradoxial change method) You can use coming into secure exercise twice a day and imagining a person, animal ect is holding a supportive hand between your shoulder blades. (secure forum) You can do some anger exercises (two chair anger exercise ect) (general discussion forum) You can use the rubberband method (healing ap thread) You can put yellow post IT note with "I choose to..." around your house to help you to remember that you have a choise to do / think about something else. (healing ap thread)
You can rewrite the relationship (secure discussion forum)
You can do self love exercises (secure discusson forum)
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Post by alice on Aug 19, 2020 23:30:32 GMT
alice it may be helpful to think find ways of connecting with people who have no ties to you (like us!!), by becoming an online mentor, finding a therapy, joining a reading group or whatever. The guys you've mentioned are all people with ties to you - friends, coworkers, potential partners. There's expectations and attachments already in that tie. That's nice but "dangerous" because you're equating/confounding connection and relationships. This is a very helpful conversation for myself as I'm now concretizing my thoughts. In my mind, these things are separated: need for connectedness (my inner needs), connection (the feeling of being understood/seen/heard), relationships (a pattern of interacting with another individual). while relationships are a source of connections that fulfill my need for connectedness, it is not the only source. When we rely on one source, or think of that source as connection, then we are left longing when that source is gone. The best and most reliable source is the self, and therefore, it becomes important to find connection with oneself, by building a relationship with self, so that the need for connectedness is always (mostly) fulfilled. but you are extremely right that COVID makes it harder to find connections - it's hard even to chat with the cashier or cafe wait staff!! No doubt it's a challenging time. I hope you take it easy on yourself and treat yourself to lots of good food and entertainment! Hm, yes but they're more distant "relationships?" You think that is a problem? I think it's natural to want to connect again with a person when you make a connection. But I do get the random stranger brief connection. I just think it's a bit challenging nowadays to get that regularly. The coworker I mentioned is a former one and we just caught up recently. I hadn't talked to him for 5 months. I can only do online so much. The online stuff only gives a fraction of the connection you can get in person (not with just anyone but with someone you can connect to on shared interests, like we do here). For instance, oxytocin is produced in person from eye contact (and touch). I get drained from being online too much. I actually gathered a few people for a book study group! But they are friends already. I've done them before with non friends and met new people, but we see each other regularly and form relationships. I'm too introverted to constantly talk to strangers, so I need people I know, to a degree, already. I have thought about this a lot and tried to gather a multitude of acquaintances and friends I can connect with. Many have waned in this time though as I'd see them in person here and there, but it wasn't the type of relationship you'd keep up regularly. I appreciate your definition of connectedness though and it's giving me something to think about...the being understood and heard part.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 3:06:09 GMT
I don't think it's a problem in itself - it's very normal and natural to seek those connections because they're more "reliable" sources, particularly now that it's hard to do any sort of interactions with strangers!
I think the risk, for me at least, was that it can evolve new issues over time due to the already existing connections/relationship/dynamics/etc etc. And i tend to swing hard into the opposite ends when i'm trying out something new, so it might just be a me thing, haha! When i practiced this, I was in a new country with limited people to connect with. most of them are people I've met online or at work, and those are also difficult relationships to navigate even if there was connection. Quite a few people at work have clearly demonstrably retreated from connection and connecting, which makes it difficult for me to practice connecting without attaching. For me, the easiest and safest was strangers whom interactions are limited and there's no risk of threatening actual relationships.
I guess the biggest takeaway for me in my experimentation with fulfilling longing is that the ability to do it with anyone makes me more confident in myself that I do not need particular persons to fulfill the need - this takes away alot of pressure to stay in relationships that are unfulfilling, as well as the need to protect any relationships I have because I am afraid that the source of fulfillment may be gone. acquaintances and friends are great options - they're safer and more consistent sources. There's value to having a wide range of connection sources - from strangers to close intimate partners, and it's great to span all that range!
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Post by amber on Sept 11, 2020 21:30:33 GMT
For me working on loving and connecting with yourself is what shifts this type of stuff; the longing starts to dissipate, as you don’t rely so much on needing anyone else in a pining kind of way
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 4, 2020 17:51:57 GMT
I honestly think longing is healthy.....it points to things that you still desire....which is good. What isn’t helpful is tying that longing to someone who cannot fulfill what you long for. Case in point....there are times I long to be held....very healthy longing.....but if I tie that longing to be held to B....well, then that longing cannot be filled because B is no longer with me.
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